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2014-04-25 -Land of the Free
Rancher Cliven Bundy now labeled racist.
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Posted by Besoeker 2014-04-25 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11134 views ]  Top

#1 White males have been labeled as default racists since at least 2007. Zimmerman got labeled a white Hispanic in order to keep up the racist drum.

He's an 80 year old cowboy in flyover, you expect him to talk like some movie star, or politician, or professional pundit? Speaking of politician, Harry Reid used light skin negro to describer Obama in 2010.

Both sides use slavery references all the time; Back on the Plantation or Uncle Tom are both charged phrases based entirely on slavery.

Worse than slavery, well not much, but look at the history of indentured servitude, voluntarily turning yourself into someone's property. There are accounts of them being treated worse than slaves, on account of being a short term property invested which didn't have to be as cared for, a cheap tool to be thrown away as opposed to a long term investment.

The slave is captured against their will, put in chains, and forced to labor for the benefit of others. The person who voluntarily gives up their freedom gives up their God given right to make decisions.

But we do that everyday with contracts. Those contracts contain rights and obligations to both parties. When they are not met there are consequences. How those consequences are enforced is the function of our government, our Constitution. We promised not to be wildmen in exchange for cooperating with the function of government to enforce legal obligations, obviously in exchange the government has obligations of its own.

Now one of the obligations of government seems to be to assist the poor or disabled, a function formerly done by church and community. To take unemployment from the government is to enter into a contract and in that contract, through elections, the contract can be altered through elections to be more beneficial to one side, so the indentured servant has the ability, based upon their own morality, to either live up to the safety net or increase the value of the contract to themselves by voting in officials which maintain to increase the voters value. If the free shit coalition on the board of directors outvotes the get shit done faction then you have a negative direction of production.

In this system, being a producer, I am contractually obligated to pay taxes. People who don't work, especially to not work for a living, have a contractual obligation to receive money (after the intermediary gets its cut, in this case the government). When the side which does not work controls how much money I pay them, the contract becomes immoral. The proof of the morality, or immorality, can be gaged on the success or failure of society.

So how successful do you think the United States of America is right now?
Posted by swksvolFF 2014-04-25 01:34||   2014-04-25 01:34|| Front Page Top

#2 The politically incorrect and artless Bundy made the mistake of referencing 'abortion' and welfare, the holy grail of the left. Worse yet, he referenced it in association with the black community. The simply irony is, nothing he said was anything other than his own opinion and rhetorical, albeit rather inconvenient. Unlike recent actions of the Federal Law Enforcement and the BLM, none of Cliven's ill-timed rants had the potential of killing dozens in a hail of bullets.

Potentially soon to come; Bundy's KKK e-mails, multiple child-bride activities will soon surface, along with illegal fully automatic assault weapons he has manufactured in his machine shed. If I had to guess, I'd say his days are numbered....

"Something will happen to Cliven Bundy."
~ Harry Reid
Posted by Besoeker 2014-04-25 02:28||   2014-04-25 02:28|| Front Page Top

#3 You know, in Israel, people like me learned to live with being called fascists & racist at the time of Oslo. What's the matter with you Americans?
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2014-04-25 03:36||   2014-04-25 03:36|| Front Page Top

#4 There does seem to be many more stories in the MSM about what Clive pontificated than stories about 200 lawmen pointing guns at him.

Of course Clive's real mistake is making it easier for the lawmen to return with much less public outcry at overly aggressive methods.
Posted by Airandee 2014-04-25 06:59||   2014-04-25 06:59|| Front Page Top

#5 Bundiophobes united around a firebrand issue. It's not like he was being considered as someone's VP running mate [ref to Joe Biden intentional].
Posted by Besoeker 2014-04-25 07:06||   2014-04-25 07:06|| Front Page Top

#6 This is the language of a segregated white America 50-60 years ago. People spoke openly with words that bit hard back in those old days. But then politicians who promoted specific races (and turtles) openly and with "well chosen words" with promises of paradise, their heads will indeed explode. After all, this country is broke and deeply in debt for trying to buy off races with "entitlements", saying as people should not work (Pelosi) and I do think Caucasian America (and other people of color who know how to be self sufficient) are getting tired of the price (taxes, fees, etc.) and getting less even after ponying up (worse health care, higher premiums, can't keep your doctor anymore) and saying people with cancer not getting medical treatment is a lie (Reid) is causing the melting pot to simmer and boil over.

United Negro College Fund (Authors of the phrase "A mind is a terrible thing to waste.") or National Association of Colored People, whites can't say some of those words with getting pummeled by the left, but try making an old school person like Cliven use a different language that white people must use, he is too old and hard headed and will stick to his guns yet again.

I read an article the other day that Ben Carson wrote which was along the same lines but his words were perfectly PC.
Posted by Bubba Graiting8281 2014-04-25 08:37||   2014-04-25 08:37|| Front Page Top

#7 Apparently the video was cut into a hit-job by the NYT.



If more people see this they'll realise the MSM is anti-news and all-narrative.
Posted by Bright Pebbles 2014-04-25 09:27||   2014-04-25 09:27|| Front Page Top

#8 Not convinced that Mr. Bundy was referring to slavery. Free black family sharecroppers and landowners were / are also part of our fabric.

Agreed, using the word "Negro" was unfortunate, but can we expect Mr. Bundy to be perusing the NYT to keep up on PC language? Old dog is unlikely to pick up new tricks, and aside of hoary resonance, I'm certain that no racism was intended.

Black rappers and hipsters use the "N" word with abandon, but, I suspect, more from the smug and in-your-face vantage of "Look what we can do, but you had better not."

I'm certain that Mr. Bundy's approbation (obsolete form) of Racism is more apocryphal than fact. Nuance is sometimes viewed as optional by men of conviction.

Gooooooooooooooo BUNDY!
Posted by Uncle Phester 2014-04-25 10:36||   2014-04-25 10:36|| Front Page Top

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Posted by Besoeker 2014-04-25 10:37||   2014-04-25 10:37|| Front Page Top

#10 The problem here is faulty reasoning. Even if you grant that Bundy is a "bigot" or "racist", it does not justify the federal appropriation of land that should belong to the state (to whom he has been paying the grazing fee), nor does it justify the heavy handed way they went about things, and most of all it does NOT justify the military style force they applied to protesters, nor does it justify the restriction of people to barbed wire"free speech" cantonments surrounded by militarily armed government "agents" (who are actually soldiers de facto given their arms, training, and equipment).

Don't let the left pull this one off - Bundy being a racist does not make the government any less wrong.
Posted by OldSpook 2014-04-25 11:10||   2014-04-25 11:10|| Front Page Top

#11 Bundy my find some company in the views of Walt Williams.

MORAL crusaders have the habit of heading off to their next crusade without bothering to see whether anything went wrong on their last one. During the '80s, TransAfrica, NAACP, Black Congressional Caucus, Hollywood glitterati, college students, and other groups held massive protests on college campuses and at the South African Embassy, built shanty towns, and called for disinvestment and sanctions against South Africa for its racist apartheid system.
Posted by Besoeker 2014-04-25 11:18||   2014-04-25 11:18|| Front Page Top

#12 nor does it justify the restriction of people to barbed wire"free speech" cantonments surrounded by militarily armed government "agents" (who are actually soldiers de facto given their arms, training, and equipment).

And eat a dick Reid does a real disservice to both sides for this to not have turned into a Little Big Horn.
Posted by swksvolFF 2014-04-25 11:42||   2014-04-25 11:42|| Front Page Top

#13 As a historian, I need to say a couple of words to clear the air.

First, slaves in the U.S. lived 4 - 5 times as long as slaves in other parts of the new world. This is because American slaves did not grow sugar cane (a deadly business that killed 1/3 of the workforce each year). In fact, slaves in the U.S. lived about as long as the Whites.

Slavery in the US was a grim experience, but it was infinitely better than slavery in the Caribbean and Brazil.

Which brings us to life in today's urban ghettos. Poor urban Blacks have a much lower life expectancy than their White counterparts. In fact their life expectancy is the same as Bangladesh. It gets worse: Bangladesh's life expectancy is brought down by high rates of child mortality. By the time a Bangladeshi is 5, his chance of dying is less than that of an African American. The American Black's life span is brought down by alcohol, drugs and murder. These self-destructive habits have combined with the perverse incentives of the Great Society for destroy Black fatherhood.

Is modern Welfare worse than slavery? Yes. Absolutely.

P.S. Re. Lynching. Lynching is wrong. It is horrible. That said, the NAACP says there were some 4,000 Blacks lynched between 1882 - 1959. By their own admission lynching practically ended after 1924. This comes to ~ 52/year and only a couple per state. Therefore the entire emphasis on lynching is much ado about nothing.

Al
Posted by Frozen Al 2014-04-25 12:01||   2014-04-25 12:01|| Front Page Top

#14 Frozen Al -- facts no longer matter. Remember when the outrage de jour was the lack of "hate crime" laws in Texas? People were upset that a guy sentenced to death wasn't getting an extra penalty added on...
Posted by Rob Crawford 2014-04-25 12:07||   2014-04-25 12:07|| Front Page Top

#15 No real surprise here. Everyone knew the Left slime machine would go after him. His wife and kids are next.
Posted by 49 Pan 2014-04-25 12:31||   2014-04-25 12:31|| Front Page Top

#16 New York Times = Pravda on the Hudson
Posted by Rex Mundi 2014-04-25 12:46||   2014-04-25 12:46|| Front Page Top

#17 How is it that conservatives don't have a media expert who can talk to folks before they stick their foot in their mouth (or decide to let CBS do their first big interview).

Fly in, talk about the message and how things will be twisted beyond all recognition and stay on message at all times, especially to new 'friends'.
Posted by rjschwarz 2014-04-25 14:48||   2014-04-25 14:48|| Front Page Top

#18 The left doesn't need it because they are either media savy or get protective cover from the media already.
Posted by rjschwarz 2014-04-25 14:49||   2014-04-25 14:49|| Front Page Top

#19 Black Body Guard: "He's not a racist. "I'd Take A Bullet For That Man".
Posted by Bubba Graiting8281 2014-04-25 17:32||   2014-04-25 17:32|| Front Page Top

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