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2014-03-04 Europe
Russia broke international law in Ukraine: Obama
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Posted by Fred 2014-03-04 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11126 views ]  Top

#1 The Crimea was incorporated into the then-Ukrainian SSR back in 1954, + was still so after Ukraine went formally independent after the breakup of the USSR.

The Crimea is now a sovereign part of Ukraine, which is one of the reasons why I believe Putin's best bet is to convert the Crimea, wid Ukraine's assent, into its version of Gitmo in the Black Sea.

Russia's historical fear has not been so much an independent Ukraine as the Muslim powers [read, Turkey = Ottomans, now Rising Iran] + Teutonic-later-Nazi Germany across the pond. As post-Cold War, post-9-11 Germany is now Russia's strategic ally + BFF, that leaves Islamist-pressured Turkey + already Islamist Iran, + the latters' claims to areas of the Black Sea.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2014-03-04 01:55||   2014-03-04 01:55|| Front Page Top

#2 See also DEFENCE.PK/FORUMS > [NATO.int] NATO SECRETARY-GENERAL ANNOUNCES NORTH ATLANTIC COUNCIL TO MEET FOLLOWING POLAND'S REQUEST FOR ARTICLE 4 CONSULTATIONS.

POLAND requesting NATO forces on its borders as portection agz any cross-border shennanigans by Putin's Boyz.

* ION WORLD NEWS > [CBC] UKRAINE SAYS RUSSIA SENT 16,000 TROOPS INTO CRIMEA.

and

* CHINA DAILY FORUM > RUSSIA HAS NOW MADE TWO MAJOR MILITARY MOVES INTO GEORGIA AND NOW UKRAINE, BUT YET CHINA DOES NOTHING.

versus

* DEFENCE.PK/FORUMS > [World Bulletin] TURKEY TO BLOCK NATO SHIPS FROM BLACK SEA, REPORT SAYS, as due to alleged pressure on Turkey PM Erdogan by Chinese Diplomats.

Not exactly Beijing = "post-US", "Mahanist" Rising China sending in the PLA to defend Yuan Dynasty [Mongols] interests, but will it get the job done for China???
Posted by JosephMendiola 2014-03-04 02:28||   2014-03-04 02:28|| Front Page Top

#3 The World's leading expert on US constitutional law AND International law too?!
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2014-03-04 04:51||   2014-03-04 04:51|| Front Page Top

#4 What law was followed in the Libyan adventure Champ?
Posted by Procopius2k 2014-03-04 07:31||   2014-03-04 07:31|| Front Page Top

#5 Cuba, Lebanon, El Salvador, Granada, Panama, Somalia, Haiti, (paratroopers recalled to Bragg mid-flight) Kuwait, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya.....we're just delivering democracy all around the world and it sure is catching on nicely.

Posted by Besoeker 2014-03-04 08:06||   2014-03-04 08:06|| Front Page Top

#6 I forgot the Dominican Republic, and there must be others as well.
Posted by Besoeker 2014-03-04 08:10||   2014-03-04 08:10|| Front Page Top

#7 I completely forgot our Vietnam experience, which cost nearly 60,000 American lives and achieved virtually nothing.
Posted by Besoeker 2014-03-04 08:20||   2014-03-04 08:20|| Front Page Top

#8 Besoejker.

It achieved the survival of the Republic of Vietnam then came Traitorcrats and they cut mujnition supply to South Vietnam.
Posted by JFM 2014-03-04 08:23||   2014-03-04 08:23|| Front Page Top

#9 Yes JFM, while I cannot speak first-hand, the CIDG campaign was effective, then the big army and the politicians stepped in to tidy things up. Had we stayed in Vietnam like we did in the Germany, Japan, and the ROK, it might have ended better. But staying on has it's downsides as well.
Posted by Besoeker 2014-03-04 08:28||   2014-03-04 08:28|| Front Page Top

#10 Dr. Paul Craig Roberts.... at least worth a read.
Posted by Besoeker 2014-03-04 08:53||   2014-03-04 08:53|| Front Page Top

#11 No, Besoeker. The Us didn't need to stay in Vietnam. The RVN had just beaten up a Communist Offensive with merely some Navy And Air Force assistance (1). It only nedded ammo and weaponry. the people (I think John Kerry was one of them) who handled victoryn to the Communistas are responsible for the Vietnamese and Cambodian genocides.

(1) The Air Force didn't fare that well against Noth Vietnamese planes. At the same time Top Gun trained Navy pilots using navalized (ie heavier and with somewhat inferior performance) versions of the same planes were mopping the floor with the Northvienamese Air Force. It was a tough pill to swallow for Air Force brass.

Posted by JFM 2014-03-04 09:24||   2014-03-04 09:24|| Front Page Top

#12 Yes JFM, the Pol Pot era seems to have gone unnoticed by the MSM. The Atlanta area has a larger number of Cambodian residents and refugees from that period. None of their memories and stories from that period are good.
Posted by Besoeker 2014-03-04 09:45||   2014-03-04 09:45|| Front Page Top

#13 Besoker my bio - in - law was in a Rouge camp
Posted by Besvis 2014-03-04 09:50||   2014-03-04 09:50|| Front Page Top

#14 I completely forgot our Vietnam experience, which cost nearly 60,000 American lives and achieved virtually nothing.

It attrited the communist to the point that they couldn't keep Greater Indochina under Hanoi's control and stopped grandiose designs on the rest of SE Asia.

Had Congress not cut the funding to the South, they probably would have been able to defend themselves from that final assault.
Posted by Procopius2k 2014-03-04 10:55||   2014-03-04 10:55|| Front Page Top

#15 My view as well P2k, but as you may recall, there was a huge anti-war outcry from the liberal media and communist sympathizers here at home. Similar to Afghanistan, the conflict was del>led 'managed' so poorly by Washington that everyone just wanted out.
Posted by Besoeker 2014-03-04 10:59||   2014-03-04 10:59|| Front Page Top

#16 .and we all know how important the Law is to Zero.

Betcha' he's a little perplexed about not being able to send in a "Virginator" or two. Maybe if he declared Putin an honorary US citizen.?
Posted by Uncle Phester 2014-03-04 13:42||   2014-03-04 13:42|| Front Page Top

#17 Obamasaid he had told Russia that "if in fact they continue on the current trajectory, that we are examining a whole series of steps -- economic, diplomatic -- that will isolate Russia."

The Russians used to love living behind the Iron Curtain. So I am sure they got a huge laugh out of THAT threat.
Posted by Omavising Ebbemp9815 2014-03-04 16:02||   2014-03-04 16:02|| Front Page Top

#18 Gonna "Draw' Obama another "Red Line" hen lie about it?

We're sick of you, Resign NOW and don't wait for Impeachment. (It's coming, surely.)
Posted by Redneck Jim 2014-03-04 16:54||   2014-03-04 16:54|| Front Page Top

#19 I wouldn't say the Vietnam [war] and Pol-Pot era have been 'unnoticed' by the media and the Democrats.

They have been working very, very, hard to create 'another Vietnam' in Afghanistan (as well as Iraq - snatching defeat from the jaws of victory).

We should acknowledge that fact - particularly if it comes to lamppost decorating time.
Posted by CrazyFool 2014-03-04 19:04||   2014-03-04 19:04|| Front Page Top

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