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2013-09-04 Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Obama: 'I Didn't Set a Red Line' on Syria
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Posted by Fred 2013-09-04 09:50|| || Front Page|| [11131 views ]  Top

#1 I believe he initially called it.... "my red line". Nice of him to so willingly share his red line.
Posted by Besoeker 2013-09-04 10:10||   2013-09-04 10:10|| Front Page Top

#2 Seems that 98 percent of the world expects the US to enforce the red line Mr President. One would think that if it was a group red line and of such importance they'd be falling over themselves to help.
Posted by rjschwarz 2013-09-04 10:25||   2013-09-04 10:25|| Front Page Top

#3 Well, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz says there are actually dozens of countries behind us. She's just not allowed to tell us who they are.
Posted by Rambler in Virginia 2013-09-04 10:30||   2013-09-04 10:30|| Front Page Top

#4 What a puss in suits. Kerry too, "oh, just thinking out loud about sending in an invasion force; geez is that a pretzel hot dog?"

Horses and bayonets. What was being used alongside gas in WWI. I think it was 3dc, and please correct me if I'm wrong, who had the suggestion of a world convention to re-certify the chemical weapons ban. Made sense to me, simple up or down vote, get everyone on record.

Maybe if our warmongers weren't so busy playing video p@kr, these ideas would happen.
Posted by swksvolFF 2013-09-04 11:01||   2013-09-04 11:01|| Front Page Top

#5 I see President Redline is running backwards again to the Maginot grey line while blaming the entire world for his bad teleprompter.
Posted by Mugsy Glink 2013-09-04 11:09||   2013-09-04 11:09|| Front Page Top

#6 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we have always been at war with Eurasia.

Human society is inconceivable unles words mean something. Contracts, oaths, testimony, promises -- the fabric of society wozen in words.

And yet we are ruled by people for whom words mean NOTHING!
Posted by Elmearong Gurly-Brown5896 2013-09-04 11:19||   2013-09-04 11:19|| Front Page Top

#7 And quoting a WH official in April of 2013:
"And the people in Syria and the Assad regime should know that the President means what he says when he set that red line. And keep in mind, he is the one who laid down that marker. He's the one who directed that we provide this information to the public. And he's the one who directed that we do everything we can to further investigate this information so that we can establish in credible, corroborated, factual basis what exactly took place."
Posted by Mugsy Glink 2013-09-04 11:21||   2013-09-04 11:21|| Front Page Top

#8 BULLSHIT, it's on tape.
No backing out on this one.
Posted by Redneck Jim 2013-09-04 11:28||   2013-09-04 11:28|| Front Page Top

#9 I was suggesting convening all the signers to ask if it meant nothing but paper as it had no penalty clause with no defined enforcement. Let them decide what to do and walk away until they get some spine or tear it the fuck up.
Posted by 3dc 2013-09-04 12:05||   2013-09-04 12:05|| Front Page Top

#10 Just in from Dennis Miller: "Obama's a crap President, and we spend too much time thinking about him."

Posted by Uncle Phester 2013-09-04 12:51||   2013-09-04 12:51|| Front Page Top

#11 Pot smoking does permanently affect ones memory.
Posted by Angaimp Panda2522 2013-09-04 12:54||   2013-09-04 12:54|| Front Page Top

#12 White House getting advice on Syria from former Obama campaign advisers

Wonder if it was this group that came up with that "I didn't set a red line," said Obama. "The world set a red line."

Sept 3rd:
The White House is getting advice from some former campaign advisers on how to win congressional support for a strike on Syria, Fox News has learned, with top White House aides soliciting their input during a long strategy session Tuesday afternoon.

The aides met with former top Obama campaign hands like strategist Anita Dunn, former deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter and long-time adviser David Axelrod.

While the president himself did not attend the meeting, attendees said the goal was to kick around ideas about how to help Obama win crucial votes in Congress as he faces a critical test of his presidency as soon as next week.

Posted by Sherry 2013-09-04 12:56||   2013-09-04 12:56|| Front Page Top

#13 How in the name of all that's holy could any congress person vote for this abortion after this display of bald face lying and blatant, virtually admitted, attempt to pass the buck???

How could any self-respecting person look at themselves in a mirror after cowering in the face of this humiliation???
Posted by AlanC 2013-09-04 13:33||   2013-09-04 13:33|| Front Page Top

#14 on Tonight show last night from memory

"Hey isn't it great that Obama is asking Congress to vote on authorizing bombing in Syria; maybe if this works out Obama will obey other portions of the Constitution"
Posted by lord garth 2013-09-04 13:40||   2013-09-04 13:40|| Front Page Top

#15 What saddens me about this most of all is that my
children's reaction seems to be representative of there age group.

Note I'm talking about 27 - 36 sons & DILs...

the reaction is "ehh, so what, they all do it. It really doesn't effect me". Though they will grumble about taxes that hit them directly they can't put it all together. I tried from when they were little to inculcate a sense of individualism and hard work. THAT WORKED. They are both hard working and take full responsibility for themselves but they can't translate that into principles that should govern the elite, ruling class.

I blame the progressive sucker women they married and their ultra-left Masshole educational system brainwashing. 8^(
Posted by AlanC 2013-09-04 15:26||   2013-09-04 15:26|| Front Page Top

#16 I blame the progressive sucker women they married and their ultra-left Masshole educational system brainwashing. 8^(
Posted by AlanC

You're not the first to reach this conclusion AlanC.
Posted by Besoeker 2013-09-04 15:55||   2013-09-04 15:55|| Front Page Top

#17 And if you like your health insurance, you can keep it. And if you make under 250K a year, your taxes won't go up. I never said that shit either...
Posted by tu3031 2013-09-04 16:41||   2013-09-04 16:41|| Front Page Top

#18 Watched both Senate and House hearings... all 8 hours...

It passed the Senate committee on a 10-7 margin and goes on to a Monday vote in the Senate.
It has a less likely chance of passing the house. Both parties very troubled and upset in the house.

It really looks like the administration want's to do a Gadaffi but doesn't want to say it.
It looks like 30 to 60 days of intensive air and missile ops.... over and over
with an option of 90 more. I would venture the attack will be modeled on Shock and Awe.

As to PaxAm's statement.... I doubt we have 60 days worth of Tomahawks in the inventory...

This should address Thoughtful's "use by date worries".
Mention was made of several Globalhawks on the scene monitoring all movements...
No real desire to actually touch the poison gas stockpiles...

Also, noise about "bones" and other planes.
It's shock and awe. Oh and I have heard heavy trains late at night last heard before Shock and Awe.

No mention in all 8 hours of Syria being a proxy war between Shia Iran and Sunni Saudi. Some distant hints but no questions or statements.
Posted by 3dc 2013-09-04 16:44||   2013-09-04 16:44|| Front Page Top

#19 Sorry for the PaxAm and Thoughtful references. I pasted my comment from another site.
Posted by 3dc 2013-09-04 16:46||   2013-09-04 16:46|| Front Page Top

#20 After listening to Kerry for 8 fricking hours I need to go scrub my ears out with steelwool and then get drunk or something...
Posted by 3dc 2013-09-04 16:49||   2013-09-04 16:49|| Front Page Top

#21 You're a bravery man than I 3dc.
Posted by Besoeker 2013-09-04 16:59||   2013-09-04 16:59|| Front Page Top

#22 They were holding up Bosnia and Kosovo as ideal ops but NATO (us ) is still there almost 2 decades later....
Posted by 3dc 2013-09-04 17:11||   2013-09-04 17:11|| Front Page Top

#23 Saudi just offered to pay for the whole P.O.S,
Posted by 3dc 2013-09-04 17:21||   2013-09-04 17:21|| Front Page Top

#24 Let's get one thing straight. If "regime" is overthrown, Allawites and Christians, and---probably---Kurds and Druze, get butchered.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2013-09-04 17:22||   2013-09-04 17:22|| Front Page Top

#25 g(r)om, yeah, so what's your point?
Posted by Rambler in Virginia 2013-09-04 18:00||   2013-09-04 18:00|| Front Page Top

#26 No mention in all 8 hours of Syria being a proxy war between Shia Iran and Sunni Saudi. Some distant hints but no questions or statements.

This is most worrisome. Nobody even asked? They're either morons or complicit or both, just going right along with whatever information the administration spoon feeds them.

And then there was Kerry's remark (see Drudge) that Soddies will pay for us to invade Syria. So we're just hired guns for the Soddies? I knew it all along.
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2013-09-04 18:08||   2013-09-04 18:08|| Front Page Top

#27 Yes, Bandar is.... out of the closet. Regime probably feels congress and the American people will go for it in a ............ contractual mode.
Posted by Besoeker 2013-09-04 18:11||   2013-09-04 18:11|| Front Page Top

#28 One I remember from from the First Gulf War:

Q: What's the Saudis' favorite hymm?

A: "Onward Christian Soldiers"
Posted by Pappy 2013-09-04 18:15||   2013-09-04 18:15|| Front Page Top

#29 Let's get one thing straight. If "regime" is overthrown, Allawites and Christians, and---probably---Kurds and Druze, get butchered.

OTOH, this is the same "regime" that uses Lebanon's Christian and Druze and Sunni Moslem populations as human shields for its proxy Hezbollah's attacks against Israel. So to me it looks like six of one, half-dozen of the other.

On the Third Hand... I wouldn't trust the current administration, or the people who tell me they're trustworthy, to tell me Charles Manson needed to be incarcerated, much less think they have the brains or intestinal fortitude or moral backbone to go against people like Assad or Putin, even if it needed to be done.

If they think it's so goddamn important, they could resign and find replacements who didn't have lunch with the SOB while his proxies were killing American soldiers and torturing Israeli soldiers to death. (Anyone have any idea about whether Ehud Goldwasser and Eldad Regev were still alive in April 2007?) Maybe enter a monastery while they're at it, I understand that's the traditional thing for Annointed-monarchs that resign.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2013-09-04 18:50||   2013-09-04 18:50|| Front Page Top

#30 "Saudi just offered to pay for the whole P.O.S."

Then Saudi can DO the whole POS. >:-(
Posted by Barbara 2013-09-04 19:45||   2013-09-04 19:45|| Front Page Top

#31 You lie....
Posted by Uncle Phester 2013-09-04 20:01||   2013-09-04 20:01|| Front Page Top

#32 FOX'S BRIT HUME said it best this AM [paraph] > "THIS PRESIDENT JUST DOES N-O-O-O-O-T WANT TO TAKE OR ASSUME ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANYTHING".

* FREEREPUBLIC > [Fox News] ISRAELI SOURCES ON OABAM SYRIA APPROACH [strategeery]: "THIS IS NOT HOW A SUPERPOWER ACTS".

Missing POTUS Jimbo Carter's Rabbit + well-intentioned naivete'???

There is no leadership in the Syria Crisis, only [intentional = pre-planned?] UNIVERSAL/PERVASIVE CHAOS - THE QUESTION IS "WHY"?

IMO, iff one believe that the Bammer is a dedicated anti-US Marxist-Anarchist-Globalist, the answer may lie in his PCorrect-Deniable support or adherence to an anti-US OWG-NWO + "Multipolar World" dominated, controlled, or otherwise managed by PAR GLOBAL CO-SUPERPOWERS.

By this scope, he is covertly but intentionally helping Shia Iran become the world's first ISLAMIC GLOBAL NUCLEAR SUPERPOWER, + already Nuclear China to take over 1/2 of the Pacific , including but not limited to Guam-WESTPAC + Hawaii, perhaps even 1/2 of CONUS-NORAM.

FOR IRAN + CHINA, ETAL? TO BE A US-STYLE, PAR "CO-SUPERPOWER" = THE US M-U-S-T LOSE OR UNILATERALLY GIVE-UP POWER-N-INFLUENCE IN IMPORTANT WORLD REGIONS + ACTIVITIES TO TRANSFER TO THE NEW GUYS???

Subjectively speaking, FAIR TO SAY/ARGUE THAT SEVEN WORLD CONTINENTS = SEVEN OWG GLOBAL FEDERAL "UNIONS" = SEVEN OWG "CO-SUPERPOWERS"???

The prob or folly is iff the deliberate or intentional US rollback will NOT be interpreted as de facto MilPol = Startegic weakness on the aprt of Amer's rivals, inspiring them to attempt to take over from the us completely. HISTOIRE' SAYS MORE THAN NOT THE US ACTION WILL BE INTERPRETED AS DE FACTO WEAKNESS.

Truth be told, iff the Syria Crisis alone is any measure, IT ALREADY IS SEEN AS SUCH AS PER THE MSM-NET + TOP US POLITICOS.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2013-09-04 20:18||   2013-09-04 20:18|| Front Page Top

#33 Bravo Joe!!!
Posted by 3dc 2013-09-04 20:36||   2013-09-04 20:36|| Front Page Top

#34 Pappy - word is Janissaries?
Posted by 3dc 2013-09-04 20:58||   2013-09-04 20:58|| Front Page Top

#35 The term is more applicable to the political leadership, 3dc.
Posted by Pappy 2013-09-04 22:31||   2013-09-04 22:31|| Front Page Top

#36 My bad vibes as per CHINA-VS-JAPAN, PHILIPPINES< ASEAN, INDIA, ....@ETAL. went up exponentially such that I am still at a loss for words.

Anyhoo ,,,

* FREEREPUBLIC > [Daily Mail.UK] REVEALED: US PENTAGON KNEW IN 2012 IT WOULD TAKE 75,000 GROUND TROOPS TO SECURE SYRIA'S CHEMICAL WEAPONS FACILITIES.

* Also from FREEREPUBLIC > [Investors.com] CONGRESS INDRECTLY ENDORSING NEW US WORLD ROLE.

Uh, uh, 1990's VICHY AMERIKA = Post-2015 OWG CO-SUPERPOWER AMERIKA???

* DAILY STAR LEBANON > KERRY: OBAMA IS NOT ASKING THE US TO GO TO WAR IN SYRIA.

D *** NG IT, THATS TRUE - THE BAMMER IS ASKING AMERIKA TO SURRENDER LIKE VICHY FRANCE TO OWG GLOBALISM!

And don't youse never e-v-a-r! fergit what we never told you!

* TOPIX > FRANCE WON'T ATTACK SYRIA IFF THE US DOESN'T, PM SAYS.

So much for the International Community = UNO's argument that the Superpower US should NOT be the "world's policeman".

ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE - WE ARE BECAUSE THEY AIN'T OR WON'T, NOT EVEN ON THEIR BEST DAY.

* STARS-N-STRIPES > LACK OF ACTION ON SYRIA ALSO POSSES GREAT RISKS, AMBIVALENCE COULD BE SEEN AS INVITATION TO USE CHEMICAL WEAPONS.

And other non-CW WMDS = NBC-CBRNE.

* JAPAN TIMES > OPINION: IS AMERICA NOW BECOMING AN INTERNATIONAL OUTLAW?

Pariah, that is???

The World's or Histoire's greatest???
Posted by JosephMendiola 2013-09-04 23:32||   2013-09-04 23:32|| Front Page Top

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