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2011-09-30 Arabia

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Posted by Beavis 2011-09-30 07:30|| || Front Page|| [11134 views ] Top

#1 Ululululu! Rot in hell you POS

Posted by Frank G 2011-09-30 07:54|| 2011-09-30 07:54|| Front Page Top

#2 And on a Friday, too. Well done, hunters!

Posted by trailing wife 2011-09-30 08:32|| 2011-09-30 08:32|| Front Page Top

#3 AOSHQ headline:

BREAKING: Anwar al-Awlaki Killed By Crushing Disappointment in NBC's Fall Lineup, Drone-Launched Hellfire Missiles, But Mostly Drone-Launched Hellfire Missiles
Gabriel Malor

Posted by Frank G 2011-09-30 08:51|| 2011-09-30 08:51|| Front Page Top

#4 Time to get the pool-side paaah-taay going at Nellis...

Posted by Steve White 2011-09-30 08:59|| 2011-09-30 08:59|| Front Page Top

#5 Good riddance.

Posted by DarthVader 2011-09-30 09:10|| 2011-09-30 09:10|| Front Page Top

#6 Ya can't polish a turd, but...
Ya sure can blow one up!

Posted by M. Murcek 2011-09-30 09:36|| 2011-09-30 09:36|| Front Page Top

#7 Plenty more where he came from.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2011-09-30 09:40|| 2011-09-30 09:40|| Front Page Top

#8 Aymen, Adam...where are you? Come out and we promise not to hurt you.

Posted by Jack Salami 2011-09-30 09:42|| 2011-09-30 09:42|| Front Page Top

#9 Blown REAL GOOD!

reference:

Posted by Choluse Graling8806 2011-09-30 09:44|| 2011-09-30 09:44|| Front Page Top

#10 "Unexpectedly", for him anyway.

Posted by Mullah Richard 2011-09-30 09:56|| 2011-09-30 09:56|| Front Page Top

#11 Plenty more where he came from.

Aye, there's the rub.

Posted by Pappy 2011-09-30 10:35|| 2011-09-30 10:35|| Front Page Top

#12 Fox now saying Samir Kahn got waxed in the same strike. Prolly 48 hr rule applies, but hopefully there IS a pony under that pile of...

Posted by M. Murcek 2011-09-30 10:43|| 2011-09-30 10:43|| Front Page Top

#13 Please, please everyone....please keep in mind we are NOT at war with Islam.

Posted by Besoeker 2011-09-30 10:44|| 2011-09-30 10:44|| Front Page Top

#14 Yes, but there is one less Gisco.

Posted by swksvolFF 2011-09-30 10:58|| 2011-09-30 10:58|| Front Page Top

#15 WashPost is carrying the news under a byline by their Africa Bureau Chief. 48 hour rule is always a good idea, but it seems like 'the people who know stuff' in the USG are confident.

Is it too much to ask if Obama would mind resigning as president if we let him head the CIA for the next five years? When it comes to drones, I sort of like the cut of his jib.

Posted by Free Radical 2011-09-30 11:09|| 2011-09-30 11:09|| Front Page Top

#16 Have the same feeling there FR, ironically really something he and his base cannot drum up.

Question, the question about zapping US citizens has been answered?

Posted by swksvolFF 2011-09-30 11:14|| 2011-09-30 11:14|| Front Page Top

#17 Question, the question about zapping US citizens has been answered?

Nah, that will be a gray area forever.
Consider the paradoxes:

Renouncing one's US citizenship is a well-defined, formal process, as far as the State Dept. is concerned.

The left in this country has never been shy about declaring its enemies to be "traitors" and "war criminals" with no due process at all.

It will all remain as clear as mud.

Posted by M. Murcek 2011-09-30 11:36|| 2011-09-30 11:36|| Front Page Top

#18 The greater question, what is US Citizenship? And to whom is it?

Posted by Besoeker 2011-09-30 11:38|| 2011-09-30 11:38|| Front Page Top

#19 Question, the question about zapping US citizens has been answered?

I am assuming that Awlaki, having openly declared himself a member of a group at war with the US, is a legitimate military target under the AUMF. The bullsh*t about this being an 'assassination' is just leftist mischief.

Posted by Free Radical 2011-09-30 11:50|| 2011-09-30 11:50|| Front Page Top

#20 Well, US citizenship apparently is not necessary to vote democrat, collect welfare or unemployment, get a social security # or qualify for (maybe) a trial in the US, ala KSM. So, Besoeker asks a knotty question, indeed...

Posted by M. Murcek 2011-09-30 11:53|| 2011-09-30 11:53|| Front Page Top

#21 The US just gave him a posthumous promotion: U.S. officials have given Anwar al-Aulaqi a newly elevated designation on the day of his death by drone strike, describing him as chief of external operations for al-Qaedas affiliate in Yemen.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2011-09-30 11:53|| 2011-09-30 11:53|| Front Page Top

#22 You know of course, Obambi personally flew that drone onto al-awacki.

Posted by Steven 2011-09-30 11:55|| 2011-09-30 11:55|| Front Page Top

#23 The "gutsy call" boilerplate is being readies even now. Spit...

Posted by M. Murcek 2011-09-30 11:58|| 2011-09-30 11:58|| Front Page Top

#24 ...please keep in mind we are NOT at war with Islam.

No, but we are very, very disappointed in some of its practitioners.

Posted by SteveS 2011-09-30 12:00|| 2011-09-30 12:00|| Front Page Top

#25 Ron Paul is correct in his statements concerning this.... phueching media event (my words not his). I do NOT want Obama or any of his ilk, at some future date, deciding through executive fiat, that I TOO must be drone zapped. No use for Anwar al-Awalki...bloody well glad he's gone. But his death will NOT solve the complex problem of an evil, death cult ideology. He'll be replaced by thousands more.

Posted by Besoeker 2011-09-30 12:25|| 2011-09-30 12:25|| Front Page Top

#26 Kenneth Anderson at Volokh Conspiracy:
"The government has maintained throughout all this that Al-Aulaqi was deemed a lawful target not on account of his expression of opinions, including calls to violence against the United States and its citizens, but instead on account of his operational involvement in AQAP, in ways going to leadership of an associated force terrorist organization and operational and planning involvement."

Posted by Free Radical 2011-09-30 12:31|| 2011-09-30 12:31|| Front Page Top

#27 During WWII a fair number of US citizens served the other side. Most were visiting relatives in the "old country" and got drafted.

Many deserted back to the US Army as soon as they got the chance, but some served the Axis faithfully. When we found any of the second group, they were killed with no second thoughts. Any survivors quickly and discretely forgot about their prior life in the US.

Why we should afford these traitors more consideration than we did in WWII is beyond me.

Posted by Frozen Al 2011-09-30 12:57|| 2011-09-30 12:57|| Front Page Top

#28 Good new, however, many of you will recall the Dems calling the Tea Party "terrorists".

Will the media hounds give his Daddy any air time? Daddy wanted sonny taken alive...

Posted by Bobby 2011-09-30 13:44|| 2011-09-30 13:44|| Front Page Top

#29 8 U.S.C. 1481 states:

A person who is a national of the United States whether by birth or naturalization, shall lose his nationality by voluntarily performing any of the following acts with the intention of relinquishing United States nationality committing any act of treason against, or attempting by force to overthrow, or bearing arms against, the United States, violating or conspiring to violate any of the provisions of section 2383 of title 18, or willfully performing any act in violation of section 2385 of title 18, or violating section 2384 of title 18 by engaging in a conspiracy to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them"

Technically speaking, Awlaki gave up his Citizenship. Though you'll hear people saying we shouldn't have zapped him anyway.

Posted by Charles 2011-09-30 14:06|| 2011-09-30 14:06|| Front Page Top

#30 As far as I am concerned al-Awlaki's skull, along with many others, should be thrown into a pit at 1 WTC.

Posted by Eohippus Phater7165 2011-09-30 14:08|| 2011-09-30 14:08|| Front Page Top

#31 Eohippus Phater7165- but that would be the unspeakable war crime known as spiking the football!

Posted by Free Radical 2011-09-30 14:13|| 2011-09-30 14:13|| Front Page Top

#32 I do NOT want Obama or any of his ilk, at some future date, deciding through executive fiat, that I TOO must be drone zapped.

They don't actually need precedent, once they decide it (or anything else) is advantageous. So, don't worry.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2011-09-30 14:44|| 2011-09-30 14:44|| Front Page Top

#33 Rest in peeeeeeee

Posted by newc 2011-09-30 15:13|| 2011-09-30 15:13|| Front Page Top

#34 "The greater question, what is US Citizenship?"

I can tell you what it isn't, B. It isn't waging war against our country. He gave up his citizenship when he joined the clowns at war with our country.

So saying they drone-zapped an American citizen is incorrect; they drone-zapped a former American citizen who gave up his citizenship in order to wage war against his former country.

He can rest in pieces.

Posted by Barbara 2011-09-30 15:31|| 2011-09-30 15:31|| Front Page Top

#35 *Where Barbara is, is where I agree. On his own will knowingly joined an organization which has openly declared violence and intimidation upon the USA, and knowing that the organization is recognized by the USA continues in said venture, whether it is pirate vogue, al-sheebop, whatever.

I just remember some pretty fart smellers clanging about in case a US citizen was killed during the booosh administration and I would like to hear them chime in, constitutional lawyer in chief's reasoning, and thoughts about zaps in, say, Mexico if the gang bangers make a clear & present danger (targets including US citizens operating south of the border).

Posted by swksvolFF 2011-09-30 15:46|| 2011-09-30 15:46|| Front Page Top

#36 8 USC 1841 ok fine,.... where is the "due process," the findings, declartions, revocations??? And by the way, when was the last time that a formal revocation of citizenship was handed during using the US Code and a trial by jury?

What about the fella that was killed along with him, the other USCIT guy? Was he mentioned in the presidential order or finding? Was he also a target? Were there other killed? Where does it stop? What protectins ARE provided a USCIT? Critical thinking please. Does anyone remember the legal hoopla over Jihad Johnny? Did he not get a trial in a US court?

I see no cause for jubilation. None at all. I really believe this type of activity will return to haunt us.

Posted by Besoeker 2011-09-30 16:31|| 2011-09-30 16:31|| Front Page Top

#37 In emphasizing Awlaki's American citizenship the media are at least encouraging an assumption that due process rights are limited to citizens. This is not the case. Everyone who deals with the US authorities is entitled to due process.

Having said that, due process does not require us to allow a criminal to persist in his crimes just because it is impractical to apprehend him or bring him before a court, and it does not require that an awowed enemy be allowed to wage war against us unhindered.

There were valid warrants for Awlaki's arrest. He could have turned himself to the nearest US consulate at any time. Like anyone who resists arrest and presents an imminent danger, he made himself a target.

Ask yourselves this: What will happen if you refuse to go peaceably on a traffic warrant and announce your intention to start shooting at the cops?

Pickett's men were American citizens when they charged up Cemetery Ridge at Gettysburg. Does this mean the Union forces violated due process when they opened fire?

Posted by Atomic Conspiracy 2011-09-30 16:46|| 2011-09-30 16:46|| Front Page Top

#38 While we struggle with it's unfortunate outcome yet today, you are correct sir, the volleys of gunfire at Gettysburg from both sides were well ordered and entirely legal. However, General Picket and his men were proud citizens of a soverign nation which had seceded from the Union via due process as established by the US Constitution. It had a different capital, different president, legislature, coinage and currency, constitution, and laws.

With reference to the aforementioned unpleasantness and with the upmost respect to the dead, the only violation of US Constitutional "due process" during those dark days, was that undertaken by another president from Illinois.

Posted by Besoeker 2011-09-30 17:10|| 2011-09-30 17:10|| Front Page Top

#39 Well you need to make up your mind.
Either you think that fighting terrorists is a matter of law enforcement, then the killing was wrong... maybe.

But if you believe that the War on Terror is in fact a war, then the killing is about as legit as it gets.

And he even got a fair warning.

Posted by European Conservative 2011-09-30 17:36|| 2011-09-30 17:36|| Front Page Top

#40 Gotta love AyyPeee
2 US citizens dead in Yemen airstrike

You would almost think the Yemen Air Force struck here.

Posted by Beavis 2011-09-30 17:50|| 2011-09-30 17:50|| Front Page Top

#41 I have top disagree with Besoeker on the rebs. They weren't a sovereign nation as far as I am concerned and events proved them not to have been so. That's water long under the bridge.

Nonetheless, I don't like the idea of of POTUS doing things to American citizens without due process.

And there is a reason bills of attainder are prohibited NOT in the Bill of Rights, but in Article 1 and NOT only for the federal government but for the states as well, one of the few limitations on the states that does not result from federal supremacy. The founders knew that laws that don't apply to every one are a bad idea.

Remember this is President Fast & Furious.

No doubt this guy is a traitor and would be found guilty of treason in a trial by his peers. A trial he deserved. But would you be in favor of him being drone-zapped in CONUS at the whim of POTUS? If not, why should OCONUS make such a huge difference, especially when he could have been snatched?

Bush made a mistake with Padilla and teh w0n has made a mistake here. Being an American citizen should mean something, especially when you are guilty. Citizenship has been devalued by this assassination.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2011-09-30 20:08|| 2011-09-30 20:08|| Front Page Top

#42 Why should people who wage war against their own nation receive preferential treatment?

If a Saudi wages war against America, he can be killed.
If an American wages war against America, he can be killed, too.

Citizenship has nothing to do with it.

Posted by European Conservative 2011-09-30 21:44|| 2011-09-30 21:44|| Front Page Top

#43 They should not receive preferential treatment. Neither should they receive inferior treatment. They should receive equal justice under law.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2011-09-30 21:48|| 2011-09-30 21:48|| Front Page Top

#44 So if you are fighting against a foreign army you shoot the foreigners and arrest US citizens who fight with them?

Do you tell your drones just to kill the foreigners but read Americans the Miranda rights?

Posted by European Conservative 2011-09-30 21:51|| 2011-09-30 21:51|| Front Page Top

#45 As I understand it, and the "facts" will change, they had been tracking him for a week. This was not in the heat of battle. There should have been more than enough troops available to snatch him. He deserved a trial.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2011-09-30 21:54|| 2011-09-30 21:54|| Front Page Top

#46 This was not in the heat of battle.

With terrorists we always are in the heat of battle.

Posted by European Conservative 2011-09-30 22:00|| 2011-09-30 22:00|| Front Page Top

#47 As I understand it, and the "facts" will change, they had been tracking him for a week. This was not in the heat of battle. There should have been more than enough troops available to snatch him.

In the middle of the wildest part of a seriously Third World country that's got about six different civil wars going on at the moment, possibly more? Where the locals had been watching the UAVs watching them, and positively prefer shooting first and asking questions later?

Posted by trailing wife 2011-09-30 22:52|| 2011-09-30 22:52|| Front Page Top

#48 I understand NS' concerns - both the practical one (doesn't trust this Administration) and the longer term concern about precedent and erosion of our commitment to American ideals about law and process.

I disagree with this, however:

Citizenship has been devalued by this assassination.

For citizenship to retain its value, it cannot be reduced to a blank check. If there are *no* actions - even committing war against one's own country - that effectively negate the rights and privileges of citizenship, then citizenship is merely a shield for the treasonous and disloyal to use in attacking the country.

There are some extreme choices that negate citizenship, both legally and morally. To deny that is in fact to reduce citizenship to a formality without meaning IMO.

Posted by lotp 2011-09-30 23:11|| 2011-09-30 23:11|| Front Page Top

#49 But would you be in favor of him being drone-zapped in CONUS at the whim of POTUS? If not, why should OCONUS make such a huge difference,

Because he was OCONUS specifically so as to be in the enemy's camp, aiding, assisting and leading war against the US. You can arrest someone who is located within your camp. You do battle with someone who is in the other camp attacking you.

And make no mistake - al-Awlaki has been warring against the US continually for some time, not only verbally but also through operational planning, ideological approval, recruiting and incitement to attacks. He did so at the mosque in northern VA, where his encouragement and perhaps more were seminal for MAJ Hassan and others who moved shortly thereafter from words to physical attacks on Americans - and American troops - on American soil. He fled to Yemen, where he continued this war until he was finally killed in return.

Posted by lotp 2011-09-30 23:18|| 2011-09-30 23:18|| Front Page Top

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