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2011-08-16 Britain

Britain's Cameron Vows to Confront 'Moral Collapse'

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Posted by Fred 2011-08-16 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11132 views ] Top

#1 From Mark Steyn:

This is the logical dead end of the Nanny State. When William Beveridge laid out his blueprint for the British welfare regime in 1942, his goal was the "abolition of want" to be accomplished by "co-operation between the State and the individual." In attempting to insulate the citizenry from life's vicissitudes, Sir William succeeded beyond his wildest dreams. As I write in my book: "Want has been all but abolished. Today, fewer and fewer Britons want to work, want to marry, want to raise children, want to lead a life of any purpose or dignity."

'Bout sums it up. In any given population, there are 30% of people who want to work and produce, 30% who naturally don't, and 40% who could go either way. Collectivism in all its forms (fascism, communism, socialism, social democracy, Labor party, Democrats) pushes that 40% in the direction of being bottom dwelling sessile filter-feeding sea creatures, not the other way towards the light.

Call me cruel if it makes you feel morally superior, but unless and until we reintroduce the idea that able-bodied folks who choose to not work will suffer huge deprivation up to and including starving, this will only continue.

If only it weren't so. But it is.

Posted by no mo uro 2011-08-16 06:57|| 2011-08-16 06:57|| Front Page Top

#2 "Since he is not deeply ideological he lacks core principles and is easily led."

WHAT? Makes absolutely no sense...which is par for the course, coming from the knuckle-dragging Bushites posting here...

Posted by Shakey Steve 2011-08-16 07:33|| 2011-08-16 07:33|| Front Page Top

#3 "'Bout sums it up. In any given population, there are 30% of people who want to work and produce, 30% who naturally don't, and 40% who could go either way. Collectivism in all its forms ...blah, blah, sputter, blah."

Do you have evidence to back up these numbers, Sherlock?

Posted by Shakey Steve 2011-08-16 07:36|| 2011-08-16 07:36|| Front Page Top

#4 There is nothing new under the sun.

Plimoth Plantation,1623

So they begane to thinke how they might raise as much corne as they could, and obtaine a beter crope then they had done, that they might not still thus languish in miserie. At length, after much debate of things, the Gov r (with y e advise of y e cheefest amongest them) gave way that they should set corne every man for his owne perticuler, and in that regard trust to them selves ; in all other things to goe on in y e generall way as before. And so assigned to every family a parcell of land, according to the proportion of their number for that end, only for present use (but made no devission for inheritance), and ranged all boys & youth under some familie. This had very good success; for it made all hands very industrious, so as much more corne was planted then other waise would have bene by any means y c Grov r or any other could use, and saved him a great deall of trouble, and gave farr better contente. The women now wente willingly into y e feild, and tooke their litle-ons with them to set corne, which before would aledg weaknes, and inabilitie ; whom to have compelled would have bene thought great tiranie and oppression.

The experience that was had in this comone course and condition, tried sundrie years, and that amongst godly and sober men, may well evince the vanitie of that conceite of Platos & other ancients, applauded by some of later times ; that y e taking away of propertie, and bringing in comunitie into a comone wealth, would make them happy and florishing ; as if they were wiser then God. For this comunitie (so farr as it was) was found to breed much confusion & discontent, and retard much imploymet that would have been to their benefite and comforte. For y e yong-men that were most able and fitte for labour & service did repine that they should spend their time & streingth to worke for other mens wives and chil- dren, with out any recompence. The strong, or man of parts, had no more in devission of victails & cloaths, then he that was weake and not able to doe a quarter y e other could ; this was thought injuestice. The aged and graver men to be ranked and equalised in labours, and victails, cloaths, &c., with y e meaner & yonger sorte, thought it some indignite & disrespect unto them. And for mens wives to be commanded to doe servise for other men, as dresing their meate, wash- ing their cloaths, &c., they deemd it a kind of slaverie, neither could many husbands well brooke it. Upon y e poynte all being to have alike, and all to doe alike, they thought them selves in y e like condition, and one as good' as another; and so, if it did not cut of those relations that God hath set amongest men, yet it did at least much diminish and take of y e mutuall respects that should be preserved amongst them. And would have bene worse if they had been men of another condition. Let none objecte this is men's corruption, and nothing to y e course it selfe. I answer, seeing all men have this corruption in them, God in his wisdome saw another course fiter for them.

Posted by William Bradford 2011-08-16 08:19|| 2011-08-16 08:19|| Front Page Top

#5 Doyou have evidence to back up these numbers, Sherlock?
Posted by Shakey Steve

that's Mark Steyn, ex-pat Canuck you're arguing with. Don't bring a BB Gun to a real gunfight. In a battle of wits with him, you'd be embarrassed. Mush like everyday in your bleak "life", I suppose

Posted by Frank G on the road 2011-08-16 09:44|| 2011-08-16 09:44|| Front Page Top

#6 Is there some mystery link between "moral collapse" and subsidising fecklessness by fining workers for work?

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2011-08-16 10:04|| 2011-08-16 10:04|| Front Page Top

#7 Shakey Steve -- a Mod here with just a bit of advice and history of Rantburg.

Your comment to "Since he is not deeply ideological he lacks core principles and is easily led."

WHAT?Makes absolutely no sense...which is par for the course, coming from the knuckle-dragging Bushites posting here...

Best to learn the special font Fred uses in his posted articles. He is, after all, the owner of Rantburg. Spends much of his time and resources to provide a space for you to deliver your rants.... at no cost to you.

I wouldn't want to angry him too much. He does own the "kill switch."

Posted by Sherry 2011-08-16 11:02|| 2011-08-16 11:02|| Front Page Top

#8 The looters are all part of a sub-class who do not share majority values. The fact that UK muslims can set up and enforce "Sharia Zones" with impunity, set the stage for the loot-fest.

Posted by Injun Oppressor of the Swedes1340 2011-08-16 13:17|| 2011-08-16 13:17|| Front Page Top

#9 I'll wait to see if the UK PM follows through on his observations. Something needing to be done early on is to build more prisons to hold the initial wave of miscreants who will be rounded up. Failing that, restore the sentence of 'transportation' to places like the Falklands.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2011-08-16 13:58|| 2011-08-16 13:58|| Front Page Top

#10 30-40-30 sounds about right in general, with the middle migrating towards the poles depending upon leadership or sloth.

Watch the video of that stage collapse, and note how many got in there from the get-go, how many wondered about asking themself if they could help, and how many just looked puzzled and left.

Posted by swksvolFF 2011-08-16 14:46|| 2011-08-16 14:46|| Front Page Top

#11 'Bout sums it up. In any given population, there are 30% of people who want to work and produce, 30% who naturally don't, and 40% who could go either way

Depends on what race/culture you are looking at some more hardworking/ambitious than others!

Posted by Paul D 2011-08-16 15:05|| 2011-08-16 15:05|| Front Page Top

#12 I suspect those percentages are a whole lot different in India.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2011-08-16 15:39|| 2011-08-16 15:39|| Front Page Top

#13 "Britain's Cameron Vows to Confront 'Moral Collapse'"

What - he's going to look in the mirror?

Posted by Barbara 2011-08-16 15:53|| 2011-08-16 15:53|| Front Page Top

#14 Britain's Cameron Vows to Confront 'Moral Collapse'

He uses a barber to shave?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2011-08-16 16:54|| 2011-08-16 16:54|| Front Page Top

#15 Vowing to confront 'moral collapse' is all well and good, but I'm afraid that train done left the station.

Posted by SteveS 2011-08-16 22:41|| 2011-08-16 22:41|| Front Page Top

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