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2011-02-16 Israel-Palestine-Jordan
Israel Warns It Might Act on Iranian Warships
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Posted by DarthVader 2011-02-16 11:58|| || Front Page|| [11131 views ]  Top

#1 The best bet might be to sink them in the Suez, and make it look like they intentionally scuttled the ships to block the canal. It would be a major, but not intolerable, nuisance, and would make half the world p.o.'d at Iran, besides costing Iran some warships.
Posted by  Anonymoose 2011-02-16 12:45||   2011-02-16 12:45|| Front Page Top

#2 Sorry Moose, but we all know the evil Juice would be immediately blamed, and most of the European world (and all of the Muslim) world would believe that.

Leave the Suez alone.

Of course, if we had a CIA worth anything, those Iranian warships would have catastrophic accidents while in deep water.
Posted by Steve White 2011-02-16 12:55||   2011-02-16 12:55|| Front Page Top

#3 Would be hard to make them appear scuttled since they are warships and only a major boarding action could be done to scuttle the ship.

A mine might work, but it would be really tricky to get one into the canal.

I still think the best option is to sink them in the middle of their trip to Syria in the Mediterranean with a sub and say nothing. Two torpedoes and two harpoons per ship would send them down right quick with little chance for a mayday call. Hmm... add a ECM jammer above them at the time of the strike to jam all radio frequencies and it might be a complete disappearance.
Posted by DarthVader 2011-02-16 12:59||   2011-02-16 12:59|| Front Page Top

#4 IF they sink, it has to be somewhere (and some time) where Israel is not the only viable suspect.

I suggest the pier in that Syrian port. Lots of people with access there, and lots of PO'd locals.
Posted by mojo 2011-02-16 13:24||   2011-02-16 13:24|| Front Page Top

#5  IF they sink, it has to be somewhere (and some time) where Israel is not the only viable suspect.

On planet Earth?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2011-02-16 13:31||   2011-02-16 13:31|| Front Page Top

#6 Do we know what ships these are? One source says a MK-5 frigate and a supply ship. Debka says a frigate and the cruiser KHARG. But HazeGray says KHARG is an oiler and makes no mention of anything cruiser-like.

In a regional conflict, the frigate would die quickly. The interesting question would be what the supply ship is carrying.

No comment on the frequent use of the word 'battleship' in various news reports.
Posted by SteveS 2011-02-16 15:58||   2011-02-16 15:58|| Front Page Top

#7 grom: All I'm saying is that there needs to be some minimal deniability. I don't think anybody would believe it for a second, but it's would allow them to save face. And possibly prevent an immediate response.
Posted by mojo 2011-02-16 16:09||   2011-02-16 16:09|| Front Page Top

#8 Don't lets forget, Israel is famous for her sharks trained to attack only Muslims. Who knows what nefarious creatures they might call up to attack Iran's warships? I vote for giant squid or Cthulhu, but perhaps Defence Minister Barack would find that a tad over-dramatic.
Posted by trailing wife 2011-02-16 16:19||   2011-02-16 16:19|| Front Page Top

#9 I'm afraid the ships could blow themselves up and Israel would get the blame.

Am I right to connect these ships to a blockade run, or an attempt to turn Israel into a lightning rod for the general unrest?
Posted by swksvolFF 2011-02-16 16:24||   2011-02-16 16:24|| Front Page Top

#10 "Release the Orthodox Kraken!"
Posted by Frank G 2011-02-16 16:30||   2011-02-16 16:30|| Front Page Top

#11 There is no easier way to reduce the pressure from dissidents on the Arab dictaors and the Mad Mullahs than to rile everyone up about the Jews. This is to divert the aggression of the populace. They have to save their phoney-balooney jobs and they know the US won't do anything and the Jews really can't without igniting a shitstorm.
Posted by Deacon Blues 2011-02-16 16:54||   2011-02-16 16:54|| Front Page Top

#12 Huurumph...where are those Somali pirates when you need them. /sarc off
Posted by Procopius2k 2011-02-16 17:01||   2011-02-16 17:01|| Front Page Top

#13 Iran wants to redirect the anger toward Israel in Egypt and elsewhere where there is unrest. They are taking advantage of a crisis. They want Israel to attack their ships. Trolling for Juice.
Posted by Alaska Paul 2011-02-16 17:16||   2011-02-16 17:16|| Front Page Top

#14 If I were the Juice, I think the first thing I'd do would be to show concern about the battleships by pulling them in and "inspecting" them. Those "inspections" can take a long time, minimum three years, if they do a rush job. Only out of "concern", mind you.
Posted by tipper 2011-02-16 17:49||   2011-02-16 17:49|| Front Page Top

#15 I can imagine a couple of divers that each have a roll of what looks like thick duct tape. When the ships are still, or barely moving, they run a long, adhesive strip all the way down the hull, on both sides, below the water line.

Then at a given moment, the bottom five feet of the hull just falls off. Them damned barnacles.
Posted by  Anonymoose 2011-02-16 17:50||   2011-02-16 17:50|| Front Page Top

#16 None of these ideas are sneaky enough for Israel. I wouldn't be surprised to see a false flag operation pitting two muzzie countries against themselves or shia vs. sunni or hezzis vs. hamas. The Israelis are sneaky bunch - they'd get their enemies to fight each other if they needed it and they could pull it off.
Posted by Hellfish 2011-02-16 18:03||   2011-02-16 18:03|| Front Page Top

#17 #10 LMAO.

Good one.

Pray tell, what does US-NATO ally TURKEY, espec the TURK NAVY'S TOP EGGS, ETAL. saying = doing? about Iranian warships in the Suez???
Posted by JosephMendiola 2011-02-16 19:37|| na  2011-02-16 19:37|| Front Page Top

#18 16 & 17.

Hmmm. Iran, Egypt, Turkey. Lotsa Big Swinging Wannabes might trip over each other or get stepped on in such shallow waters.
Posted by Pollyandrew 2011-02-16 20:02||   2011-02-16 20:02|| Front Page Top

#19 IIRC FOX NEWS this post-Valentines Guam AM > US INTEL believes that the IRANIAN GOVT. is split/divided on whether to formally redirect Iran's NucProgs towards de facto dev of NUCLEAR WEAPONS.

MSM-NET, PERT ARTICS [prior] = had repor that the only thing keeping Iran from dev NucWeaps is Iran itself, i.e. IRAN GOVT CONSENSUS + FORMAL POLICY DIRECTIVE.

* ION FOX > GLEN BECK SHOW AM = His Glen-ness referred back to IRAN SUPREME CLERIC AYATOLLAH KHAMEINI'S COMMENT that Iran + Iranian Revol Movement is in "THE MIDDLE OF A GLOBAL REVOLUTION" IN SUPPORT OF THE COMING OF THE "12TH IMAM"

IOW, Khameini all but specifically affirms that the SHIA ISLAMIST SCOPE = SUNNI ISLAMIST SCOPE = THE ISLAMIST LOCAL, REGIONAL JIHADS + STATE-SPECIFIC INSURGENCIES ARE "GLOBAL" = UNIVERSAL/WORLDWIDE IN SCOPE, I.E. PART OF A LARGER COVERT ISLAMIST AGENDA.

* DRUDGEREPORT AM > BROS CLERIC: UNITED MUSLIM NATIONS.

ARTIC > {Post-JASMINE/MUBARAK]> IIUC, the Muslim Brotherhood's QARADAWI calls for the establishment of a WORKING = CONTEMPORARY, BUT ALSO "TEMPORARY" [quasi]GLOBAL CALIPHATE IN LIEU OF THE FINAL, PERMANENT GLOBAL CALIPHATE TO COME???
Posted by JosephMendiola 2011-02-16 20:05||   2011-02-16 20:05|| Front Page Top

#20 This will be a fine opportunity for the Israeli Air Force to practice low-altitude super-sonic operations. After all, I need the answer to the question, "How many sonic booms can an Iranian gunboat take before it breaks apart?"
Posted by rammer 2011-02-16 20:25||   2011-02-16 20:25|| Front Page Top

#21 Pray tell, what does US-NATO ally TURKEY, espec the TURK NAVY'S TOP EGGS, ETAL. saying = doing? about Iranian warships in the Suez???

JospehM, Turkey and Iran are great friends nowadays. Erdogan sees Turkey and Iran as the two big powers in the region, and has already greatly increased trade between the two countries.
Posted by trailing wife 2011-02-16 20:32||   2011-02-16 20:32|| Front Page Top

#22 What is Turkey saying? I suspect their translators are busy converting "Hey, let's you and him fight!" into both Persian and Hebrew.
Posted by SteveS 2011-02-16 20:41||   2011-02-16 20:41|| Front Page Top

#23 Whoa, the SOUTH KURILES is in the SUEZ - does JAPAN-VS-RUSSIA-VS-SSSSSSHHHHHH-JAPAN-N-RUSSIA-VS-CHINA KNOW???

Gut nuthin.

IMO this move by Iran is aimed at EGYPT, + by extension the SAUDIS, notsomuch ISRAEL.

America should bear in mind that the post-9-11 GWOT + ISLAMIST JIHAD is as much an INTER-MUSLIM STRUGGLE FOR POWER + DOMINATION WITHIN THE MUSLIM WORLD, + DESIRED OWG CALIPHATE, I.E. BETWEEN COMPETING CENTRES OF ISLAMIC THOUGHT + IDEOLOGY, ETC. AS ANYTHING ELSE.

IMO SHIA IRAN is letting SUNNI EGYPT know that IT + SHIA ISLAM IS THE NEW POWER = BIG BOSS ON THE BLOC, AS WELL THE "SOLE" TRUE DEFENDER/
GUARANTOR OF ISLAM'S HOLY PLACES IN SAUDI ARABIA + MIDEAST [read, JERUSALEM].

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* ION CHINESE MIL FORUM > [Anti-War.com] A FALSE PEACE: EGYPT'S RELATIONSHIP WID ISRAEL + AND OURS [US-West].

ARTIC = many Muslims, including in Egypt + ME + elsewhere, were unhapy wid the 1978 Camp David Accords = Arab-Israeli Peace Treaty [Sadat-Begin] due to the latter resulting in:

> NO OBSTRUCTION = STOPPAGE, BY EGYPT OR ME REGION OR US, OF ALLEGED ISRAEL EXPANSION.
> Seeming ABANDONMENT OF MUSLIM PALESTINIANS BY EGYPT + REGIONAL ISLAM.
> DEMORALIZED MUSLIMS, e.g. by making appear that DIVINE ISLAM WAS MAKING "UN-ISLAMIC" OR IMMORAL COMPROMISES WID "EVIL/SATANIC" ISRAEL + OTHER CORRUPT, NON/ANTI-MUSLIM POWERS.
> TREATY USED BY REPRESSIVE REGIONAL REGIMES AS COVER TO CRUSH INTERNAL DISSENT, + DETER, OBSTRUCT MUSLIM-LED DESIRED REFORMS OF ANY KIND.

Accords-Treaty desired "ABSENCE OF WAR" BETWEEN ARABS + ISRAEL may have instead resulted in "WARS OF ABSENCE".

CMF POSTER = opine that OSAMA BIN LADEN may succeed in achieving his Dream of desired Caliphate all across the Muslim World???

OTHER CMF POSTER = opined that iff the KSA falls, IHO the SAUDI ROYAL FAMILY WILL SELFISHLY ATTEMPT TO ESCAPE WID MOST OR ALL OF THEIR PERSONAL WEALTH INTACT, + LEAVE THE NEW POST-MONARCHY SAUDI ARABIA + CITIZENS TO STARVE ON ITS OWN???
> Oil Prices will likely rise to unknown levels during + after the Saudi Royals' formal abdication of power.
> SHIA IRAN, TURKEY, + KURDS will lilely NOT be
subject to the new SUNNI CALIPHATE???
> The new SUNNI CALIPHATE WILL BE WEAK FOR A TIME VEE THE US-WEST, but ultimately will increase steadily in geopol strength.
> CHINA has myriad ECON, DIPLOMATIC = POLITICAL OPPORTUNITIES as per China-prioritized bilateral relations + cooperation.

* PEOPLE'S DAILY FORUM > US MILITARY HQ IN MIDEAST WATCHING GULF UNREST. Bahrain is home to US Fifth Fleet + one of only four Muslim States whom have purchased + emplaced US PATRIOT ADS-MDS to defend agz Iran.

ARTIC > CSIS' Anthony Cordesman = opined that Bahrain should enough security forces to handle the protests, + Bahrain Govt. may have the potential backing of SAUDI ARABIA [in case of serious trouble].

IOW, US HQ > IFF THE US EVER HAS TO MIL INVADE IRAN, THE US WILL HAVE ONE LESS REGIONAL ALLY IT CAN RELY ON FOR LOGISTICS, BMD SUPPORT.

Oh yeah, 1990's NET + PRE, POST-911 US-BASE-TOO-FAR QATAR + BRIDGE-TO-BAHRAIN.

["A BRIDGE TOO FAR" + "KELLY'S HEROES" flicks here].
Posted by JosephMendiola 2011-02-16 23:45|| na  2011-02-16 23:45|| Front Page Top

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