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2011-01-24 China-Japan-Koreas

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Posted by tipper 2011-01-24 04:31|| || Front Page|| [11127 views ] Top

#1 Of course, if they knew everything about it, they would still say the same thing.

Posted by Anonymoose 2011-01-24 09:06|| 2011-01-24 09:06|| Front Page Top

#2 all that's needed for a first response is that buried TW device in the middle of a certain huge dam.

Posted by Water Modem 2011-01-24 09:21|| 2011-01-24 09:21|| Front Page Top

#3 super-cruising aircraft at hand that can't be stopped by any air defense system in Asia, including those of the US Navy's aircraft-carrier battle groups.

That's pure propaganda. All its missing is a bit of North Korean Juche style.

Posted by OldSpook 2011-01-24 11:05|| 2011-01-24 11:05|| Front Page Top

#4 It's technology from the 80's, and it's stolen.

Next problem.

Posted by Halliburton - Mysterious Conspiracy Division 2011-01-24 12:35|| 2011-01-24 12:35|| Front Page Top

#5 It's technology from the 80's, and it's stolen.

Sort of. It looks like new technology on an old airframe.

They probably stole it from us a few years back and this is their first pass at putting their ill-gotten booty to work.

They really don't have any development expenses, which are the lion's share of the cost of these things.

We really, really need to buckle down on our information security and stop putting this stuff on anything connected to the internet.

Maybe security costs are too expensive, I don't know.

Posted by gorb 2011-01-24 13:46|| 2011-01-24 13:46|| Front Page Top

#6 it's supposedly largely from the downed F-117 pieces over Serbia that they recovered

Posted by Frank G 2011-01-24 14:13|| 2011-01-24 14:13|| Front Page Top

#7 That story seems like face-saving crap to me. That technology relies on a faceted double-diamond shape. The picture I saw looked more like an F-22, which is a very different approach.

But I'm no expert.

Posted by gorb 2011-01-24 14:33|| 2011-01-24 14:33|| Front Page Top

#8 I was referring to what Frank notes, which also puts a new perspective on the "accidental" bombing of the Chinese embassy in downtown Belgrade.

Good thing we have SoS Clinton to tend to Serbian-American relations. She came under sniper fire there IIRC.

Posted by Halliburton - Mysterious Conspiracy Division 2011-01-24 16:17|| 2011-01-24 16:17|| Front Page Top

#9 Here's a good wrap of the situation, history, and implications of China harvesting F-117 tech

Posted by Frank G 2011-01-24 19:46|| 2011-01-24 19:46|| Front Page Top

#10 If the PRC gained anything from that downed F-117 it wasn't the shape; you could download an F-22 mesh and get results and it was the concept of stealth as much as its realization that was at issue.

Composites and coatings, on the other hand, might be gleaned from F-117 wreckage. Even then, I imagine the most complicated work is in the software that keeps an inherently unstable, unaerodynamic shape in flight. That information would have to be stolen at its source in the United States.

Posted by Excalibur 2011-01-24 20:38|| 2011-01-24 20:38|| Front Page Top

#11 or given away for campaign donations, eh?

Posted by Frank G 2011-01-24 20:48|| 2011-01-24 20:48|| Front Page Top

#12 Word.

Posted by Excalibur 2011-01-24 20:54|| 2011-01-24 20:54|| Front Page Top

#13 "it's stolen"

Just as likely one of Clinton's cronies gave it to them. >:-(

Posted by Barbara Skolaut 2011-01-24 22:02|| 2011-01-24 22:02|| Front Page Top

#14 TOPIX > [Taipei Times OpEd] TAIWAN THE WEAK LINK IN THE CHAIN.

ARTIC = JSDFS = TAIWAN part of the TOKYO-GUAM-TAIWAN TRIANGLE [T-G-T] vital for detecting + monitoring CPLAN naval movements, espec PLAN SUBMARINE OPERATIONS.

* SAME > [PRC OFFICIAL: THE US IS STILL UNBEATABLE, oer the next 20 years i.e. until roughly Year 2030??? DIRECTOR-GENERAL FOR POLICY PLANNING LE YUCHENG OF THE CHIN FM.

* PEOPLE'S DAILY FORUM > JAPAN'S FM HOPES TO TONE DOWN RUSSIA'S STANCE ON DISPUTED ISLANDS. Japan FM diplomatic visits to the now-Russian former Japanese Kurils = Kuriles.

As per CHINA, Russia's notice that the former Japanese Kurils are now sovereign Russ Territories effec means that MOSCOW DEEMS THE SEA OF OSKHOTSK/KAMCHATKA, ETC. = NORTH CHINA SEA AS DE FACTO SOVEREIGN "RUSSIAN LAKE/SEA" + "AIRSPACE" [military jurisdiction = NatSecur Zone] REQUIRING FORMAL RUSS CONSENT TO TRANSIT.

Despite the rants of local Russ Far East authorities, MOSCOW would covertly prefer to LIMIT CHINESE ECON MIGRATION,INFLUENCE IN THE RFE.

* WAFF > {Australian AirPower.Net] WHAT IFF- THE END OF US PACIFIC OCEAN HEGEMONY?

OPERATION "LONG MARCH" = Aussie fictional but "realistic" WAR SCENARIO/SIMULATION depicting PLAAF J-20, H-6, + PLA "SECOND ARTILLERY" LRBMS Milstrikes on or circa 12/06/2020 agz US Pacific Milbases.

> JAPAN > US, JSDF Bases attacked by DF-21 IRBMS, GLCMS, + waves of J-20 Strike Bombers.
> HAWAII > PLA LR DH-10 + PLAN SUBMARINE SLM Strikes.
> GUAM > Andersen AFB, NB Guam, + GIAA Tiyan/Agana attacked by waves of J-20 + likley LR H-6 Bombers.

What interests me is the symbolism of the simulation Date 12/06/2020 = Guam's "KAMALEN/
CAMARIN" time frame; + also that tiny rocky volcanic IWO JIMA AB [Bonins] is also attacked by the CPLA.

Japan used IWO as a staging area for launching fighter-plane raids agz US heavy B-29 bases in the lower Marianas, espec SAIPAN + TINIAN VHB BASES, in order to attempt to stop US B-29 strikes on Japan. THE AUSSIES APPEAR TO BELIEVE THAT CHINA + CPLA WILL DO A SIMILAR THING DURING US-CHINA WAR IN ORDER TO ISOLATE US MIL UTILITY OF GUAM-CNMI.

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