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2010-11-23 -Signs, Portents, and the Weather-

Climate Prognoses Not Worth The Paper Theyre Printed On

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Posted by tipper 2010-11-23 02:37|| || Front Page|| [11123 views ] Top

#1 A very simple question I can't get any "Global Warming" fan to answer.

Did higher levels of CO2 cause warmings in the past or did warmings cause higher CO2 levels (the latter is of course self evident)

They say, that CO2 caused the warmings... ummm first.

OK I say. Do you agree that the dinosaurs lived in a much warmer climate?

Sure

OK, IF CO2 is causing the warming AND of course a warmer climate leads to the release of more CO2, why are we living in a cooler climate now? Shouldn't CO2 levels have risen and risen? Where did it all go so that the climate could cool?

Doesn't it make a lot more sense that CO2 is (almost completely) irrelevant?

When it gets warmer CO2 levels rise.
When it gets cooler, CO2 levels fall.

Occam's Razor, anyone?

Posted by European Conservative 2010-11-23 04:44|| 2010-11-23 04:44|| Front Page Top

#2 CO2 would only rise and fall with temperature if there was a massive body of di-hydrogen monoxide covering 2/3rds of the planet which the CO2 would dissolve into and out of based on the temperature...

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2010-11-23 06:55|| 2010-11-23 06:55|| Front Page Top

#3 Last time I looked, CO2 was 383 parts per million in the atmosphere, that's less than 1%, just how can so little heat up so much? Norway reported it coldest summer on record, snow in southern Brazil, I thought global warming meant the whole globe, not bits of it

Posted by pikestaff 2010-11-23 07:24|| 2010-11-23 07:24|| Front Page Top

#4 Exactly, European Conservative.
Right on.

The whole thing is just one big bubble of Hot Air cooked up by multiculti UN bureaucrats who are using the old "global warming" threat as a tool to:
1) attack Western economies - if you hobble our C02 emissions but allow countries like China free reign then you cripple our export competitiveness. It's a non-tariff barrier designed to make us poor and the "third world" rich
2) raise massive new taxes on silly Western countries for the purposes of expanding the UN bureaucracy and creating more highly paid jobs for consultants, conferences at five-star hotels in exotic locations etc

that is all it is
it's a load of BS

Carbon dioxide is GOOD
Plants breathe it in
people breathe it out

i would be happy if every climate alarmist would do us a favour and reduce "climate gasses" by just holding their breath

Posted by anon1 2010-11-23 07:39|| 2010-11-23 07:39|| Front Page Top

#5 oh yeah and Al Gore - whose badly-made propaganda film "an inconvenient truth" (including fake hockey-stick graph) sparked the whole climate panic - became the world's first "climate change billionaire" thanks to the moral panic he helped create

hmmmmm .... and the dimwits who talk about the "oil conspiracies" don't get it?

Posted by anon1 2010-11-23 07:42|| 2010-11-23 07:42|| Front Page Top

#6 That hit piece on Dyson had a couple of interesting comments. It looks like 2 guys ran some of the calculations and found an error from 30 or more years ago by some De Leeurt or some such name, Sagan based some of his stuff on that, NASA based on Sagan.....and they both came up w/the calculations are off by a factor of about 3.

this comment from an article about how AGW had a bad week may relate:

Dont miss the physics at Rank Exploits and No Consensus, where a possibly fundamental flaw in the climate models is being dissected.

Posted by anonymous2u 2010-11-23 08:47|| 2010-11-23 08:47|| Front Page Top

#7 anon1
The problem is that GW fans (no, wait, the pc term now is "climate change") have managed to suppress free speech in the scientific community. Few non-believers in the gospel dare to speak out because they will be branded as a "denialist", as if we were speaking about a historic fact like the Shoah.

Denialist is not a word that should exist in science.

Bright Pebbles
Sounds dangerous. We need to take care of that di-hydrogen monoxide, too. Can't be good. Probably influences climate, too.

Well, you might think this is a joke but it isn't. The EU wants to ban shower heads which dispense too much water. In all of Europe.

Problem is: In Germany we have LOTS of water. Impossible to "waste" it. We even have to worry because people try to "save" water and the pipes clog and germs develop.

But the EU doesn't care (yet). What's good for desert-like Alicante is good for lush and green Bavaria.

Posted by European Conservative 2010-11-23 08:54|| 2010-11-23 08:54|| Front Page Top

#8 E.C. - Many places in the USA already ban high-volume shower heads (as well as toilets which use too much water). The showheads contain flow restrictors.

Some places sell shower heads with 'multiple heads' to work around the problem.

Posted by CrazyFool 2010-11-23 09:34|| 2010-11-23 09:34|| Front Page Top

#9 R U taxed on your water usage?

If that goes down, less revenue. And at this point, that doesn't sound like a good idea.

Posted by anonymous2u 2010-11-23 09:34|| 2010-11-23 09:34|| Front Page Top

#10 And then we go to Canuckistan and get the 5G toilets.

Posted by anonymous2u 2010-11-23 09:35|| 2010-11-23 09:35|| Front Page Top

#11 CrazyFool:

It's pretty easy to take the flow restrictors out. I highly recommend it.

Posted by Iblis 2010-11-23 11:47|| 2010-11-23 11:47|| Front Page Top

#12 Here is the sole reason for the entire "climate change" bruhaha, straight from the horse's (or maybe "donkey" would be a better word) mouth.

IPCC Official: Climate Policy Is Redistributing The Worlds Wealth

Posted by Old Patriot 2010-11-23 13:52|| 2010-11-23 13:52|| Front Page Top

#13 Global warmism is a convenient way to divert public attention from real and pressing problems now that Brittany Spears has dropped out of the lime lights.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2010-11-23 14:41|| 2010-11-23 14:41|| Front Page Top

#14 I've always laughed about the save water issue. You can talk about heating the water being a problem I suspect, but the water itself does not disappear when we use it. It ends up in the ocean and back into the clouds, etc, etc. The only water that gets wasted is the stuff in aquifers and ground wells. In some areas (the American Southwest) sucking that up can be a real problem.

Having said that, if saving water is the big goal each person using less isn't the answer, higher prices and/or stopping the rampant home building that adds more people is the answer.

Posted by rjschwarz 2010-11-23 15:36|| 2010-11-23 15:36|| Front Page Top

#15 we have water restrictions in sydney
plenty of water for a city of 2 million - life was great then. You could drive on the roads, find a parking space, have a house and garden

not enough water for 4 million people. life is miserable. people live in high-rise boxes, and they don't know what it is to plant a tree or dig in their own garden.

and water restrictions . no washing your car. no watering the garden (those that have such a luxury). flow restrictors in shower heads (for $50 i got a plumber to take mine out - otherwise you can't get the shampoo out of your hair!)

cut population and living standards rise.

Posted by anon1 2010-11-23 18:23|| 2010-11-23 18:23|| Front Page Top

#16 #7 E.C. - Germany really needs to (a) get out of the EU and (b) go back to the Deutschemark.

Before the rest of Europe drags y'all down to their insolvent and insane level.

My opinion, anyway. Your mileage may vary.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut 2010-11-23 19:03|| 2010-11-23 19:03|| Front Page Top

#17 Wormenism is religion for creatures that don't believe in God. As the wag said, "gaia - goddess of dirt..."

Posted by M. Murcek 2010-11-23 20:56|| 2010-11-23 20:56|| Front Page Top

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