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2010-10-06 -Short Attention Span Theater-

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Posted by Fred 2010-10-06 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11126 views ] Top

#1 It's all so... Nazi.

Posted by Secret Master 2010-10-06 00:54|| 2010-10-06 00:54|| Front Page Top

#2 In 1935 the Shah changed the name to Iran. It seems to mean 'land of the aryans'.

Persia came from the Pars who were the dominant tribe.

Posted by lord garth 2010-10-06 06:40|| 2010-10-06 06:40|| Front Page Top

#3 tw, IIRC a couple of those isolated languages are Basque and Hungarian - kind of odd, considering how unisolated the places are.

Posted by Glenmore 2010-10-06 07:43|| 2010-10-06 07:43|| Front Page Top

#4 Good lord, are they still fussing over their non-conquest of Greece in the 5th century BCE? Persia was a world power for more than a millenium, surely that should suffice.

Whose non-conquest of Greece? I thought a lot of population replacement had gone on in Persia/Iran/Whatever between then and now.

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2010-10-06 09:27|| 2010-10-06 09:27|| Front Page Top

#5 One of the titles of the Shah was "Light and Protector of the Aryans". Also, Basque seems to be related somewhat to Phoenician; enough so that there is now a theory that the Basque are an early "lost tribe" of proto-Phoenicians.

Posted by Shieldwolf 2010-10-06 11:58|| 2010-10-06 11:58|| Front Page Top

#6 Actually, the proto-Phoenicians are the Sea Peoples which may or may not have been linguistically or ethnically related to the true Phoenicians. That is whom many scientists think the Basque language is related to.

Posted by Shieldwolf 2010-10-06 12:36|| 2010-10-06 12:36|| Front Page Top

#7 Hungarian is in the same language group as Finnish and Estonian, and some places out in Siberia. It seems that the Indo-European speaking peoples came north and west, dividing them.

I thought I read a while back that they finally found a language in the same family as Basque, in a valley in the Caucasus. It seems that Basque is an ancient tongue. All abstract concepts are loan words.

I've also read a hypothesis that Ainu is related to Basque, which seems completely outlandish but then again maybe not. What with Kennewick Man, the Spirit Cave mummy and red-haired mummies found in New Zealand, there is evidence of a global, European sea-faring culture in the late Neolithic. This knowledge was lost during the first Dark Age.

Posted by Pstanley 2010-10-06 12:41|| 2010-10-06 12:41|| Front Page Top

#8 This knowledge was lost during the first Dark Age.

The one during the Bronze Age, Pstanley? Between the fall of Troy and the rise of Homer? ;-)

According to Wikipedia, Hungarian, Estonian and Finnish stem from proto-Uralic.

Posted by trailing wife 2010-10-06 13:01|| 2010-10-06 13:01|| Front Page Top

#9 The one during the Bronze Age, Pstanley? Between the fall of Troy and the rise of Homer? ;-)

Yeah. Or perhaps lost before that, even. One Jerry Pournelle's favorite sayings is that the thing about dark ages isn't that we forget how to do things... it's that we forget it was ever done in the first place.

Posted by Pstanley 2010-10-06 13:17|| 2010-10-06 13:17|| Front Page Top

#10 So the Kaiser's "drang nach osten" indeed had historical roots? As for 'you know who', a zillion slavs stood in the way of uniting the Siberian Aryans with the fatherland. Also, now we know why he made the Japanese honorary Aryans. //sarcasm off

Posted by borgboy 2010-10-06 14:27|| 2010-10-06 14:27|| Front Page Top

#11 The last time I checked, Slavs have been speaking Indo-European languages since way way back, and occupy a region fairly close to the estimated origin point of the Indo-European expansion.

We have to go with the real meaning of words instead of "mythical ancestral group who's related to us but not the next-door neighbors we've been putting into forced-labor camps."

(The Germans used to have problems in that regard; the Japanese still do; they're busy looking for the mystical ancestral tribe that practiced celibacy as its armies marched through Manchuria and down the Korean penninsula.)

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2010-10-06 15:44|| 2010-10-06 15:44|| Front Page Top

#12 And yes, I know Borgboy was being sarcastic. I just felt the need to vent.

Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2010-10-06 15:47|| 2010-10-06 15:47|| Front Page Top

#13 The last time I checked, Slavs have been speaking Indo-European languages since way way back,

Isolated pockets of original inhabitants or migrating tribes, Snowy Thing. The language of the Roma gypsies is, I think, related to the Indian languages, not European ones, for exactly that reason. They just announced finding a new language at the base of the Himalayas in an isolated village.

Posted by trailing wife 2010-10-06 17:20|| 2010-10-06 17:20|| Front Page Top

#14 They just announced finding a new language at the base of the Himalayas in an isolated village.

Orly
also
hai hai

Posted by Goldies Every Damn Where 2010-10-06 17:47|| 2010-10-06 17:47|| Front Page Top

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