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2010-09-04 Home Front: WoT

DoJ Lists Survivalists, "Constitutionalists" in Extremism Guide alongside Al Qaeda

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Posted by Mercutio 2010-09-04 00:00|| || Front Page|| [1 views ] Top

#1 "Constitutionalists" = Extremists

Never thought I would see the day that George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Patrick Henry, etc., would be classified as extremists. Goes to show that the current radical government is no different than the government our fore fathers fought against.

Posted by Angirong Hupaviger9578 2010-09-04 00:19|| 2010-09-04 00:19|| Front Page Top

#2 Holder considers Al Qaeda to be extremist?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2010-09-04 03:18|| 2010-09-04 03:18|| Front Page Top

#3 "Don't care for all they have posted - home addresses of various folks,"
really Fred..... kind of like when you posted my address? bring it!

Posted by bk 2010-09-04 08:50|| 2010-09-04 08:50|| Front Page Top

#4 What are you blithering about, bk/746? I have no memory of that.

Posted by trailing wife 2010-09-04 11:25|| 2010-09-04 11:25|| Front Page Top

#5 I remember it well, bk's cover was blown. I haven't been able to reach BR549 since the MAN came down on it.

Posted by Lizzy Borden 2010-09-04 11:41|| 2010-09-04 11:41|| Front Page Top

#6 Happened a long time ago TW. It was not Fred but in one of the comments, I believe it was .com but I could be wrong.

Posted by 49 Pan 2010-09-04 11:43|| 2010-09-04 11:43|| Front Page Top

#7 PI is very similar to wikileaks yet not as brazen. It has documents you usually see across your desk now and again - but after the fact. Lots of good LEO information there. Site is run by a Moslem, yet a seemingly quaint feller. It is a daily check for me, if for nothing else pictures of mexican mayhem and other greek or recent violence. Cryptome is also a good check to have.

Keep up the awesome work Fred!

Posted by newc 2010-09-04 11:44|| 2010-09-04 11:44|| Front Page Top

#8 I downloaded the 120 page report. Will have to take a look at it later. Napolitano, I think, issued a report some time back that discussed the possible threat of returning vets, militias groups, etc. Seldom is their concern with radical left wingers such as the environmental whacko who wired himself up and whose inspiration was AlGore.

Posted by JohnQC 2010-09-04 12:18|| 2010-09-04 12:18|| Front Page Top

#9 Happened a long time ago TW. It was not Fred but in one of the comments, I believe it was .com but I could be wrong.

My apologies, bk. Clearly you weren't blithering.

Posted by trailing wife 2010-09-04 13:19|| 2010-09-04 13:19|| Front Page Top

#10 As a person who lives off-grid in the desert and focuses much of his time and effort of self-sufficiency, I must ask: what, exactly, is a survivalist? Doesn't my use of solar and wind make me, you know, Green or something? Or is that just a useful word for politicians? (No need to answer that.)

Or does rejecting much of the de facto social contract of the 21st Century by being able to get along for a while without the rest of society make one by definition "extreme." It's how much of America lived until a hundred or so years ago. It's what made us strong, in fact.

Posted by Secret Master 2010-09-04 13:20|| 2010-09-04 13:20|| Front Page Top

#11 Or does rejecting much of the de facto social contract of the 21st Century by being able to get along for a while without the rest of society make one by definition "extreme."
No, it's just profiling. I imagine you're quite different from Ted Kaczynski, just as the Old Order Amish are. Principles matter, but require more than a brief glance. The devil's in the details.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2010-09-04 13:30|| 2010-09-04 13:30|| Front Page Top

#12 If the economy continues like this, Napolitano will have to add "jobists" too.

Al

Posted by Frozen Al 2010-09-04 13:37|| 2010-09-04 13:37|| Front Page Top

#13 I imagine you're quite different from Ted Kaczynski

Quite. I'm a technophile, not a technophobe. I've always thought that mad old Teddy K rather missed the point, actually: technology when properly applied makes Man better able to live harmoniously with nature, rather than the opposite. In all of his rantings I'm not even sure that he understood what "technology" was. Flint arrowhead? Technology. Log cabin? Technology. Wicker basket? Technology.

In any case (and back to the point), one more reason to distrust the Obama administration, even with your logical reassurances, AH.

Posted by Secret Master 2010-09-04 13:48|| 2010-09-04 13:48|| Front Page Top

#14 "As a person who lives off-grid in the desert and focuses much of his time and effort of self-sufficiency"

I have to ask, SM - if you're off the grid, where do you get the power (possibly from a generator?) and internet connection for your computer?

No offense meant - I'm really curious.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut 2010-09-04 13:49|| 2010-09-04 13:49|| Front Page Top

#15 Why doesn't Holder just come out and say it...As far as he and Zero are concerned, the people are the enemy.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2010-09-04 13:58|| 2010-09-04 13:58|| Front Page Top

#16 No offense taken. My family and I are very proud of what we have accomplished out here, given the limitations of time, money, and the frankly steep learning curve involved. I have a fairly large battery bank that feeds into an inverter. Four different solar arrays feet into the battery bank (one big, three small), as do three small but effective windmills. I also have two propane generators (primary and backup) fed by a 350-gallon tank linked to the system through an off-the-shelf auto battery charger.

The system is very simple: 12/120, with everything on the ranch ideally running off of no more than 30 amps (a standard home is built for 100). On a good day like today solar and wind handle everything. On a cloudy, still day (and for a few hours at night) we run the generators.

Propane runs our refrigerator, stove, water heater, and central heating for two buildings (though we also have and use wood burning stoves). I rather like propane in spite of the cost. It's reasonably safe, doesn't go bad, and I can go months between refills. Gives us some "breathing room" if times get hard too.

Our water is gravity fed to the ranch from a spring I have an easement to. We have a septic system that runs into two leech fields for waste. Water is tight - in the desert, water is always tight - but by using a series of timers and hundreds of yards of drip feed lines I manage to water an ever-expanding number of shade trees, a (still young) fruit orchard, a garden, and a greenhouse.

We get both our Internet and television via satellite. Excellent quality on the TV, OK-ish for the Internet. Phone service is a problem since the Feds forced the cell phone companies to shut off analog, effectively cutting off something like 500,000 rural Americans. But I'm working on building my own repeater on the far side of the valley so I can get digital signal.

Posted by Secret Master 2010-09-04 14:09|| 2010-09-04 14:09|| Front Page Top

#17 Thanks, SM - that's fascinating.

Having cut wood and hauled coal as a youngster for my grandparents' wood/coal stoves (and cleaned out the ashes), I can tell you that I hope I never have to do it again - it sucks. I do partially heat my house in the fall/winter with a kerosene heater - I usually put it in the room I'm going to be working in (office or studio, or occasionally living room when I have a few hours to read) and keep the oil heater thermostat down fairly low. (And NO, I don't run the kerosene heater when I'm asleep, in the shower, or out of the house. I used to be a firefighter and have seen first-hand what unattended kerosene heaters can lead to.)

Good for you and your family. Most of us are frankly too lazy or too "unhandy" (me) to do what you do. ;-p

Posted by Barbara Skolaut 2010-09-04 14:25|| 2010-09-04 14:25|| Front Page Top

#18 SM gets it.
I would like to have the cash to live off of the grid like that but I will have to settle with my eurovan, my tent, and a duffelbag full of rice for this crises.

No way or time to make my bag of cash at this point. My countrymen ruined my opportunity - afterall, they got theirs.

vote on, yet you better all vote more wise from here on out.

Posted by newc 2010-09-04 15:05|| 2010-09-04 15:05|| Front Page Top

#19 It's a work-intensive lifestyle, but anyone with sufficient motivation can do it, regardless of their background, age, or even physical ability. You learn how to do stuff, often through trial and error, and then you get good (or at least competent) at it. I know a fair number of women in their 60s and 70s who live the same way we do - and I know of a men and women in their 80s and 90s who also do.

I knew a paraplegic who lived alone on a ranch like mine. He had huge number of ropes hung all over his place, and would "strong arm" his way around his ranch, barn, and grounds to do his work. Eventually he had to move to assisted living as he got older and his condition worsened, but he did it for years.

The toughest "survivalist" I know is my neighbor, who for the sake of argument we will call Big R. He's black, from Brooklyn (compete with the accent), in his 60's, and loves taking care of Mustangs, John Wayne, and the Second Amendment in equal measure.

We're a funny, eccentric bunch. All sorts of different kinds of people are attracted to living this way.

Posted by Secret Master 2010-09-04 15:11|| 2010-09-04 15:11|| Front Page Top

#20 newc: buy some cheap land somewhere remote where there aren't a lot of people, you like the ones that are there, and where there aren't a lot of rules (in practice if not on paper). Then pack up your family and walk away. I did. You can too.

Posted by Secret Master 2010-09-04 15:14|| 2010-09-04 15:14|| Front Page Top

#21 even with your logical reassurances, AH. I wasn't intending to be reassuring. The DoJ is starting to work for the other side, and it goes without saying that their Extremism Guide excludes jihadis and their wannabes in the name of PC.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2010-09-04 15:27|| 2010-09-04 15:27|| Front Page Top

#22

Posted by CrazyFool 2010-09-04 15:57|| 2010-09-04 15:57|| Front Page Top

#23 Working on it SM. But Family is just too entrenched. I will settle with having defense and food I guess. You are living the dream tho.

Posted by newc 2010-09-04 18:38|| 2010-09-04 18:38|| Front Page Top

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