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2010-06-12 Arabia

Saudis give Israel clear skies to attack Iran

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Posted by Steve White 2010-06-12 00:00|| || Front Page|| [9 views ] Top

#1 Of course after this obviously planted article the Saudis know Iran will attack them after any Israeli attack on Iran.

So, would planting this article encourage Saudi to shoot down Israeli planes?

Posted by 3dc 2010-06-12 00:09|| 2010-06-12 00:09|| Front Page Top

#2 "Turkish airspace is closed to Israel" > ISRAEL historically will do as required to accomplish its objective(s), be it US/UN-approved or not.

IOW, WHAT THE TURKS DON'T KNOW, NOR CAN STOP, WON'T HURT 'EM.

ISLAMIST NUCLEARIZATION [2012?], IRAN andor [Iran-suppor] MILTERRS, IS AS MUCH AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT TO SECULAR TURKEY AS ANYTHING ELSE.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2010-06-12 00:54|| 2010-06-12 00:54|| Front Page Top

#3 My, my my. Please fly by said the spider to the fly. We won't trap you in our web.

Why, oh why would anyone ever rely on the word of a Middle Eastern nation? How did that work with those wise Turkish generals who would never let the Islamists take power? I'm sure the Saudis will just look the other way for the good of the children.

sheesh. Sucker born every minute.

Posted by Betty Jerenter8589 2010-06-12 01:20|| 2010-06-12 01:20|| Front Page Top

#4 Ummm, does this imply the Saudis will clear the way for the Israelis to return, too?

Bingo.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2010-06-12 03:14|| 2010-06-12 03:14|| Front Page Top

#5 it's a trap

like princess leia shouted in ROTJ

Posted by anon1 2010-06-12 04:53|| 2010-06-12 04:53|| Front Page Top

#6 Wishful thinking.

Posted by Shipman 2010-06-12 05:49|| 2010-06-12 05:49|| Front Page Top

#7 Actually I believe that was Admiral Ackbar who said that.

Posted by gromky 2010-06-12 06:42|| 2010-06-12 06:42|| Front Page Top

#8 Let's not whisper a word about Israeli missiles, which can travel a good distance from their source, guided by data from Israeli satellites.

Posted by trailing wife 2010-06-12 09:51|| 2010-06-12 09:51|| Front Page Top

#9 This could be reasonable, with some twists and turns.

First of all, no mention of Iraqi airspace, which is still under US air traffic control, and has no Iraqi AAA.

Second is that the airspace for an Iranian attack would have both combat aircraft and the all-important refueling aircraft.

So picture this situation. The Iraq-Saudi border, with air corridors on both sides, with combat aircraft on one side and refueling aircraft on the other, both of which can cross over the border laterally.

The Iranian AF wants to attack, but is it willing to violate two different nations airspace, both of which have more or less effective AAA, which could end up with it being at war with Israel, Saudi, Iraq, the US, and maybe some of the Gulf States at the same time?

Add to that Bagram AB in Afghanistan, with a lot of very powerful aircraft coming from the East, and this is a major suck scenario for the Iranian AF.

Oh yes, and the USN, who I am SURE would want to party.

Posted by Anonymoose 2010-06-12 11:27|| 2010-06-12 11:27|| Front Page Top

#10 Oh yes, and the USN, who I am SURE would want to party.

But would their commander-n-chief allow it, Anonymoose?

Posted by trailing wife 2010-06-12 11:41|| 2010-06-12 11:41|| Front Page Top

#11 So now Saudi Arabia is a better ally to Israel than the US is?
Strange times.

Posted by Slaimp Munster7801 2010-06-12 12:05|| 2010-06-12 12:05|| Front Page Top

#12 not an ally - temporary parallel interests

Posted by Frank G 2010-06-12 12:16|| 2010-06-12 12:16|| Front Page Top

#13 But would their commander-n-chief allow it,?

In a related article, TW, I saw that the Waffler-in-Chief has not given Israel the OK to fly though Iraqi airspace. Seems to me, that the Irawi airspace belongs to, um, somebody else. Like the Iraqis. Unless Bambi wants to kick the Israelis ass, too.
When its'go time,' I think the Isrealis are going to do what they need to and if that causes some peripheral dust-ups, then that is the cost of doing business.

Posted by USN, Ret. 2010-06-12 12:35|| 2010-06-12 12:35|| Front Page Top

#14 Ummm, does this imply the Saudis will clear the way for the Israelis to return, too?

As tempting (and as Arabic) as betrayal might be, the Saudis will want someone to protect them from Iranian reprisals. Who better than the Israelis?

Posted by SteveS 2010-06-12 14:01|| 2010-06-12 14:01|| Front Page Top

#15 Maybe a naive question but why would Iraq not allow Israel to over-fly their airspace?

Posted by JohnQC 2010-06-12 14:12|| 2010-06-12 14:12|| Front Page Top

#16 I guess part of the answer to my own question would be that Israel would also have to fly over Jordan to get to Iran.

Posted by JohnQC 2010-06-12 14:15|| 2010-06-12 14:15|| Front Page Top

#17 Nobody in the ME wants a nuclear Iran. Jordan, SA, Qatar, nobody.
It doesn't translate well to the Western mindset, but Iranians are Persian, not Arab. That makes a huge difference to them for some reason.
I think they're all nuts.

Posted by bigjim-CA 2010-06-12 14:39|| 2010-06-12 14:39|| Front Page Top

#18 In line with the Saudis, don't forget that Egypt gave free transit to 3 Israeli subs and a frigate recently, all heading for the Persian Gulf; and all are nuclear capable.

Posted by Shieldwolf 2010-06-12 15:07|| 2010-06-12 15:07|| Front Page Top

#19 John QC - a flight down the Gulf of Aqaba and a sharp left turn would avoid putting Jordan in the mix

Posted by Frank G 2010-06-12 15:09|| 2010-06-12 15:09|| Front Page Top

#20 the Waffler-in-Chief has not given Israel the OK

There's a nation state you're leaving out of that equation. Truman didn't give jooooo state the right to exist, he looked at ground facts, as did the 2nd nation to seem same.

tl;dr
if it comes to nut cutting time we ain't got nothing to do with this shit. We will have die pearle shine.

Posted by Shipman 2010-06-12 15:31|| 2010-06-12 15:31|| Front Page Top

#21 tl;dr

You use that a lot Shipman. What does it mean?

Posted by trailing wife 2010-06-12 18:00|| 2010-06-12 18:00|| Front Page Top

#22 generally, too long, didn't read. but in Shipese, like JoeMspeak.... who the hell knows?

Posted by Frank G 2010-06-12 18:39|| 2010-06-12 18:39|| Front Page Top

#23 There are a lot of potential subtleties in this scenario. For example, while the Arab countries would discreetly be all in favor of the Israelis blowing up the Iranians, they would also want to be able to complain about their airspace being violated.

Iran might attack them, but they would prefer it be an aggressive attack, as they can get western backing.

Russia likes Iran, but also likes the Arab nations. So in a fight, who will Russia back?

Turkey is a big wild card in all of this as well. Egypt and Jordan are likewise inscrutable.

Posted by Anonymoose 2010-06-12 20:20|| 2010-06-12 20:20|| Front Page Top

#24 Egypt goes back to being the big dog again, if the Iranians are knocked down, since Egypt has the population, the weapons, and the infrastructure, courtesy of the Peace Treaty with Israel. Turkey might be able to install a friendly government in Iran if the Mullahs get damaged enough; Iraq would just like the incursions from Iran to stop.

Posted by Shieldwolf 2010-06-12 22:48|| 2010-06-12 22:48|| Front Page Top

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