Article

2010-05-31 Home Front: Politix

New Poverty Definition - Lower One-Third

Archived material is restricted to Rantburg regulars and members. If you need access email fred.pruitt=at=gmail.com with your nick to be added to the members list. There is no charge to join Rantburg as a member.

Posted by Bobby 2010-05-31 08:22|| || Front Page|| [2 views ] Top

#1 No program, no redistribution will end 'poverty' that is found as a consequence of human free will to engage in behaviors that destroy any opportunity. There has always been poverty, there is poverty, and there will remain poverty as long as people choose to engage in behaviors long since defined as the Seven Deadly Sins.

Posted by Procopius2k 2010-05-31 09:24|| 2010-05-31 09:24|| Front Page Top

#2 RelPov = Marxism pure and simple.

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2010-05-31 10:48|| 2010-05-31 10:48|| Front Page Top

#3 I take it by 'Immigrant' the author means 'Undocumented Alien' i.e. Illegal Alien. Most legal immigrants have the meas to sustain themselves.

As mentioned - this insures that the 'war on poverty' would never end because, no matter how wealthy everyone is - the lower third will be classified as 'poor'. Its a socialist's wet dream - you will never, ever, end poverty.

And don't forget, that the poor here, would be classified as doing good, middle class, or even well off, in other countries.

Posted by CrazyFool 2010-05-31 11:17|| 2010-05-31 11:17|| Front Page Top

#4 Define poverty as the bottom xx% of the population. Now, how do you eliminate poverty? Give the bottom xx% more money? Nope, somebody is still the bottom xx%. Exterminate the bottom xx%? Nope, then you just have a new, though smaller, bottom xx%.

Posted by Glenmore 2010-05-31 11:57|| 2010-05-31 11:57|| Front Page Top

#5 Isn't 1/3 ownership in any venture basically a controlling interest under most circumstances?

Posted by gorb 2010-05-31 12:09|| 2010-05-31 12:09|| Front Page Top

#6 I think the definition of poverty should be defined in relatioon to quality of life: running water, access to transportation, food, shelter, availablity of jobs, ability to work, access to healthcare (any emergency room will do).... and with that definition there are very few folks living in poverty in the US as compared to 40 years ago.

A co-worker from India once asked me "I hear people on TV speaking of poverty in the US; but I do not see them. Where are they?"

Posted by airandee 2010-05-31 16:18|| 2010-05-31 16:18|| Front Page Top

#7 A co-worker from India once asked me "I hear people on TV speaking of poverty in the US; but I do not see them. Where are they?"

There is the biblical definition of poverty, and then there is the "progressive" definition.

Posted by gorb 2010-05-31 17:06|| 2010-05-31 17:06|| Front Page Top

#8 Hmm... my wife, who came here from the Philippines was (and still is) amazed at the wealth and opportunities available to the 'poor' here.

She is also amazed at the, for lack of a better word, pure laziness of the 'poor' and the 'entitlement mentality' they have. It pisses her off to see someone, who is well able to work, sit back and collect welfare or disability for nothing.

Posted by CrazyFool 2010-05-31 17:20|| 2010-05-31 17:20|| Front Page Top

#9 The reason they are forced to use "relative poverty" is because, by any objective measure, the "poor" in America would be well off anywhere else.

All you have to know is that people living below the poverty line have a higher standard of living than the average American a generation ago.

To quote an Indian immigrant: "This is the only country I know where the poor people are fat."

Posted by Frozen Al 2010-05-31 17:29|| 2010-05-31 17:29|| Front Page Top

#10 To quote an Indian immigrant: "This is the only country I know where the poor people are fat." Posted by Frozen Al

Both "fat" and lazy.

Posted by Besoeker 2010-05-31 17:30|| 2010-05-31 17:30|| Front Page Top

#11 Poverty is also a mind-set that fosters self-defeating behavior - bad work habits, family breakdown, out-of-wedlock births and addictions. Finally, poverty results from lousy luck: accidents, job losses, disability.

So how does convincing 17% of the population that they are 'poor' rectify this?

Posted by bigjim-CA 2010-05-31 17:59|| 2010-05-31 17:59|| Front Page Top

#12 Being poor, aka only having a box of white rice and half a bottle of BBQ sauce to live on for a week and a half so I could pay rent, really motivated me to get educated and get the hell out of that way of life.

It made me a financial conservative.

Fuck those that won't better themselves and want my hard earned money.

(Can't is a different story. I will happily help support those that physically can't work.)

Posted by DarthVader 2010-05-31 18:03|| 2010-05-31 18:03|| Front Page Top

#13 I'm with you Darth. If they physically or mentally cant work (and I mean really are unable to work - not that they claim to have a disability.) then I don't mind helping them out.

Many (too many) years ago I live in an apartment, working my ass off to get ahead. The apartment above me had 2-3 families in it, with kids, and all on welfare (and _none_ were disabled). Right after the 1st of the month the parties will start up there. Every night. By about the 15th of the month it quieted down a bit - probably partying every 2 out of 3 nights. Close to the end of the month its about every other nights and occasionally skipping 2-3 nights. Then on the first *BANG* party time again. That went on for _months_.

I'm also of the mind that people on welfare (who are not disabled) should forfeit their right to vote. Sorry you can't vote yourselves more money.

Posted by CrazyFool 2010-05-31 18:14|| 2010-05-31 18:14|| Front Page Top

#14 Crazyfool- That's "Undocumented American" to the Dims.

Posted by Flapper Scourge of the Algonquins4926 2010-05-31 18:45|| 2010-05-31 18:45|| Front Page Top

23:50 abu do you love
23:30 badanov
23:23 remoteman
23:22 Rambler in Virginia
23:22 Frank G
23:17 roast the jews
23:13 roast the jews
23:09 roast the jews
23:07 jews are bastards
22:56 Pappy
22:46 Pappy
22:43 Pappy
22:25 rjschwarz
22:25 JosephMendiola
22:17 Barbara Skolaut
22:16 James
22:08 Asymmetrical
21:54 JosephMendiola
21:50 newc
21:46 JosephMendiola
21:42 swksvolFF
21:37 swksvolFF
21:33 SteveS
21:32 JosephMendiola