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2010-04-29 --Tech & Moderator Notes

Chill

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Posted by Steve White 2010-04-29 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11132 views ] Top

#1 How do conservatives keep the Democrats from successfully labeling them as nativists, racists and slack-jawed wing-nuts?

No way.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2010-04-29 04:01|| 2010-04-29 04:01|| Front Page Top

#2 There's a difference between chilling and quietly getting into the box car.

But immigration provokes an emotional response.

National sovereignty is what provokes an emotional response. We're in this together. If we're not, then, its everyone for themselves. You can't have it both ways. You can not claim the power of a sovereign government of the people and at the same time denounce by act and deed the very basis of that sovereignty and its power.

Posted by Procopius2k 2010-04-29 04:48|| 2010-04-29 04:48|| Front Page Top

#3 The issue isn't feeling strongly, which is a legitimate response. The issue is reacting emotionally, and allowing them to provoke a response that can be turned into a propaganda win that will have long-term impact.

Posted by trailing wife 2010-04-29 07:29|| 2010-04-29 07:29|| Front Page Top

#4 I will be very calm and rational at all meetings and protests and online. But the second a liberal Nazi attacks me for my beliefs he will be eating his own ass after I break his back.

Posted by DarthVader 2010-04-29 07:57|| 2010-04-29 07:57|| Front Page Top

#5 Amen.

The root of the issue is our broken economic and political relationship with the Mexican state. We do not have an immigration problem. We have a Mexico problem.

As a tactical matter, people should always steer the conversation back to two completely race-neutral points:

1) Mexico is a failing state. Our #1 priority must be to secure the border. No discussion of
reform ie amnesty until the border is secured.

2) working people on both sides of the border are being hurt by NAFTA's carveouts and by our open-border policy that merely enables a corrupt Mexican elite to export its economic failure northward. Real low-end wages have been crushed here by the importation of a second underclass, which itself is fleeing a severe fall in rural incomes because US corn producers are dumping more than a billion dollars in subsidized corn into Mexico each year.

Secure the border. Help working families on BOTH SIDES of the border. End the corrupt bargain between US corporations, Democratic pols and Mexican oligarchs.

Oh, and recruit a few spokesmen from among the millions of legal hispanic immigrants who are opposed to illegals' queue-jumping.

Posted by lex 2010-04-29 09:19|| 2010-04-29 09:19|| Front Page Top

#6 Immigration is not the same as sneaking across a country's border.

Immigration is fine.

Sneaking across the border is not.

Ask any other country out there.

Posted by gorb 2010-04-29 09:39|| 2010-04-29 09:39|| Front Page Top

#7 Well, I sneaked across the border once, from Yugoslavia to Italy (from Czechoslovakia to Germany or Austria was a 99% suicide). I then was for 4 months in a refugee camp to wait for an interview at the embassy and then another 2 months until my immigration application was processed. Of course, returning me back to CZ would mean a serious jail time for me.

So, I understand sneaking, but don't understand no refugee or immigrant camps. And if one is refused, they can go back to MX without any repercussions... well, if they are from Juarez, maybe they can move to some other place in Mexico, can't they?

Posted by twobyfour 2010-04-29 17:21|| 2010-04-29 17:21|| Front Page Top

#8 Actually, stet that. They can go to US embassy/consulate in Mexico and fill out green card application and wait in the convenience of the environment they know.

I did NOT have that option. If I did that back in CZ, I'd have been whisked to a jail pronto.

Posted by twobyfour 2010-04-29 17:26|| 2010-04-29 17:26|| Front Page Top

#9 I will chill. How about the Hispanic protesters in AZ? Will they also chill.

I don't see what the problem is if you are a law-abiding citizen if some officer of the law asks you to produce identification. We are asked to do such in all kinds of situations: Whenever we travel on the airlines, whenever we cash a check, whenever we get stopped for a traffic violation, and sometimes when there is a case of mistaken identity. If one applies for a firearm permit, there are all kinds of identification and background checks one must go through. If a citizen is not doing something illegal, what's the problem?

After 911, officials from the United States Department of State began occasionally asking people if they were U.S. citizens or not, and in the latter case began enforcing the legal requirement that the person be able to immediately present their Permanent Resident Card or other proof of legal status.

Arizona is just trying to frame the issue--particularly the issue where neither party is willing to do anything about the illegal alien problem. Both parties are trying to suck up the Hispanic vote. It takes a woman governor in Texas to display any cojones (at least in a political sense).

Posted by JohnQC 2010-04-29 18:13|| 2010-04-29 18:13|| Front Page Top

#10 Problem is - even if we 'chill' the Leftist will attempt to provide whatever 'RACIST' claims they need and the media will knowingly go along.

Just ask the Black Congressional Caucus.

And we need to do the exact same thing people did then. Provide proof. Demand proof of the accusation. Point out the 'plants'. Basically do what the treasonous media refuses to do.

Posted by CrazyFool 2010-04-29 18:50|| 2010-04-29 18:50|| Front Page Top

#11 I'll have plenty of time to "Chill" while I'm dirting napping through eternity. Until then, they come through the door... they get a 230gr .45 caliber Hydra-Shok double tap. They try to hi-jack the old Ford... .45 double tap. They mess with the wife or kids.... .45 double tap. Easy can-do.

Posted by Besoeker 2010-04-29 19:02|| 2010-04-29 19:02|| Front Page Top

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