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2009-12-19 Economy

With Nelson on board, health-care bill could pass by Christmas

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Posted by whitecollar redneck 2009-12-19 13:13|| || Front Page|| [3 views ] Top

#1 If I was one of the 57-58 Senators who wasn't bribed for my vote I think I would reconsider and threaten to vote against the bill unless I got MY share of the boodle too. And once they all get properly bribed Landrieu and Nelson can reconsider and demand more. Rinse and repeat.

Posted by Glenmore 2009-12-19 14:16|| 2009-12-19 14:16|| Front Page Top

#2 the House likely won't go along with the Senate version which means back-door deals in conference. We'll see some real sausage-making with this POS. Interesting how the price for these whores keeps going up

Posted by Frank G 2009-12-19 14:24|| 2009-12-19 14:24|| Front Page Top

#3 If you live in Virginia, please call Senator Webb's office (202-224-4024) and politely ask that he not vote to end debate on Harry Reid's "manager's amendment." Webb is not completely on board with health care yet, at least not publicly, and he has been voting with the GOP on amendments.

Posted by Mike 2009-12-19 14:26|| 2009-12-19 14:26|| Front Page Top

#4 I take it that he doesn't have an election coming up next year. Will people remember?

Posted by Oregon Doodle 2009-12-19 15:00|| 2009-12-19 15:00|| Front Page Top

#5 I heard he reserves the right to change his mind. I expect the price to go up and, like Glenmore, I expect the other 57 senators to suddenly get ~~sticky fingers~~ "cold feet" between now and Christmas.

Posted by Frozen Al 2009-12-19 15:11|| 2009-12-19 15:11|| Front Page Top

#6 And in other news the Titanic continues to head towards an iceberg while the deck chairs are arranged and re-arranged! Iceberg? That can't be the earth in warming up at an alarming rate (Sarc).

Posted by JohnQC 2009-12-19 16:09|| 2009-12-19 16:09|| Front Page Top

#7 Whatever the four unprincipled sellouts got for the 60 vote debate stop (Landreau, Nelson, Lincoln, Lieberman) will be modified in the reconciled verson for the 51 vote passage anyway.

That gives the fake moderates a chance to vote a pius No with no penalty. Unfortunately, this time the Progressive dems will cost every tax payer and employer money and freedoms with an unread foot thick mandate pile. It will also cost the yea voting Congressional fools their jobs in 10 months.

Posted by Muggsy Glink 2009-12-19 16:09|| 2009-12-19 16:09|| Front Page Top

#8 While we will never know for certain, it would appear "30 pieces of silver" still has the power to change the will of man and in this case, betray the unborn/nearly born and send them to their death. Nelson may be the worst of the lot. He knew better and did nothing.

Posted by Besoeker 2009-12-19 16:47|| 2009-12-19 16:47|| Front Page Top

#9 So Nelson is going to accept the federal funding of abortion, and the coercion at the point of a gun of those of use who refuse to let our money be used for somethign that is unarguable evil: the deliberate targeting and destruction of innocent defenseless human lives for profit and political power of the abortion industry and mere convenience for the so-called "mother".

The US is doomed. Mark this day - its when it all began to unravel in violence. There will be a thousand Eric Rudolphs created as this is signed into law; the bombing of the abortion industry will begin soon. The punishment of conscientious objectors who refuse to remit money to the government for this abomination will begin soon by the IRS.

Judas, go hang yourself. You and Casey.

Me? I'm probably going to jail for refusal to pay taxes for this.
Civil war, here we come.

Posted by OldSpook 2009-12-19 17:20|| 2009-12-19 17:20|| Front Page Top

#10 sending this text via email to every D member of the senate:
The disgraceful manner in which landmark legislation on healthcare has been forced through Congress has made a travesty of any claim of genuine democratic debate. The American People overwhelmingly oppose what you are doing and are, as am I, immensely angered by what appears ready to pass, with catastrophic tax and benefit impacts on me and my family.

As a voter and taxpayer, I want you to know that I strongly oppose government-run health care. A government-run health care system will measurably harm the interests of my family and me. The legislation will:

Decrease the quality of my health care. Under government-run health care, I'll see my doctor for less time, receive less preventative medicine and spend more time waiting for important medical procedures.

Marginalize the health care of seniors. Under government-run health care, the Greatest Generation will be treated the worst in the health system.

Limit my access to health care. Under government-run health care, lines will be longer, waiting will increase and doctor-time will decrease. Additionally, mandated insurance will provide coverage I don't want and deprive me of coverage I need.

Increase cost. Under government-run health care, costs will balloon beyond recognition. When the government picks up the tab for health care, neither doctors nor patients have any incentive to reduce cost or limit use. As a result, the United States will be forced to either increase taxes on middle-class Americans or increase debt to creditor nations.

Please know as you prepare to vote on government-run health care that I will be paying close attention. It will likely determine how I vote in November, and my determination to financially oppose aggressively those who act to impose this mistake on my country.

Posted by NoMoreBS 2009-12-19 18:27|| 2009-12-19 18:27|| Front Page Top

#11 states can opt out of allowing plans to cover abortion in the new insurance exchanges the bill would set up

Yeah, but taxpayers throughout the country will still be paying for abortions in the states that do not opt out. This is immoral. Nelson is just as big a whore as the rest of them. If he had any integrity he would have just said "NO. NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES."

And Lieberman. I never want to hear anybody ever again try to tell me that Lieberman is maverick or independent or reasonable or moderate or responsible or any thing like that. He's not. He's just as big a whore as the rest of them.

I am extremely fearful for the future of this country. We're taxing the producers for people who will never be responsible for themselves. And when otherwise good people learn that they don't have to be responsible there will be no incentive and then the whole economy stops.

Where does it stop? When we're all reduced to the lowest common denominator? Or will OldSpook's fears come true?

Posted by Abu Uluque 2009-12-19 18:31|| 2009-12-19 18:31|| Front Page Top

#12 How can it not come true? Look at what's going to happen with this bill? Huge tax increase, IRS throwing people in jail, waiting lines for care, etc...It's going to be a full out disaster. And imagine that with the hyperinflation that will hit any day. Democrats will be surrounded with Obama in the White House with 100,000s of citizens with pitchforks and torches.

Or will OldSpook's fears come true?

Posted by NickSE 2009-12-19 19:02|| 2009-12-19 19:02|| Front Page Top

#13 "Democrats will be surrounded with Obama in the White House with 100,000s of citizens with pitchforks and torches."

Can't happen too soon for me.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut 2009-12-19 19:33|| 2009-12-19 19:33|| Front Page Top

#14 Any chance any future president and congress would ever repeal this monstrosity? Like they should have repealed Social Security, MediCare and affirmative action? It's gonna take some radical changes in our society before people wake up enough for that to happen. Unfortunately, those changes are most likely only brought about by years of hardship and suffering.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2009-12-19 20:45|| 2009-12-19 20:45|| Front Page Top

#15 Mark this day - its when it all began to unravel in violence.

I'd say it really began 80-ish years ago. This is the culmination, not the beginning.

Posted by AzCat 2009-12-19 23:19|| 2009-12-19 23:19|| Front Page Top

#16 Elections have consequences.

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