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2009-09-23 Olde Tyme Religion

Arabs suffer from high rate of gene disorders

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Posted by Fred 2009-09-23 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11127 views ] Top

#1 Marrying your first cousin isn't significantly different genetically from marrying your sister.

Hence why they all call each other "brother" and "sister".

Posted by ed 2009-09-23 02:00|| 2009-09-23 02:00|| Front Page Top

#2 Hence why they all call each other "brother" and "sister".

OT :

"French" arabs tend to call each other "cousins", though this is a bit self-conscious (kinda like the black american "brothers"), as opposed to the "french", how they call white french people, this one is VERY casual and widespread, shows well how they see themselves, as opposed to the Diversity dogma telling us that "they're as french as everybody else, if not more".

Note racist arabs or blacks tend to be politicized and call white "white" or funny neologisms like "leucoderm" or "souchiens" - IE "root people", sounds just like sub-dogs. And, IIUC, the salafists love to call kufrs "cafards", roaches.

Posted by anonymous5089 2009-09-23 03:47|| 2009-09-23 03:47|| Front Page Top

#3 Also explains why so many Arabs are downright funny looking...

I know this might fall squarely into a purely Racist notion, depending on your point of view, but... despite all the notion that arabo-muslims are superior (very common notion, if only implicit, from my very own experience, arabs are cunnier, manlier, bolder, more honorable, purer, Real Men, etc, etc....), a sizeable chunk of the north africans one can meet in everyday life or see on teevee look... like people you wouldn't want to trust or encounter in groups when alone.
YMMV, of course.

Posted by anonymous5089 2009-09-23 03:52|| 2009-09-23 03:52|| Front Page Top

#4 Nice piccys Fred , even better commentary

lol

Posted by Oscar 2009-09-23 05:19|| 2009-09-23 05:19|| Front Page Top

#5 1st cousin marriage should also produce more people with 140+ IQ as well as more deformities (IIRC, the ratio between the two is about 1 excess genius for every 200 deformities.

Also, IIRC, 1st cousin marriage is significantly different from sister marriage.

Posted by lord garth 2009-09-23 06:07|| 2009-09-23 06:07|| Front Page Top

#6 I read (I believe in an article about FDR) that marrying not too close is not too bad, since it discourages conflicting extremes from matching up - like large teeth in a small mouth...

Posted by Bobby 2009-09-23 06:14|| 2009-09-23 06:14|| Front Page Top

#7 Anyone got a pic of "Purty Mouth" the AQ honcho zapped 2 or 3(?) years ago?

Posted by ed 2009-09-23 06:40|| 2009-09-23 06:40|| Front Page Top

#8 Speaking as a dog breeder ....

it is true that a certain degree of genetic similarity is desireable to fix traits.

The problem with doing this by cross breeding of close relatives is twofold. First, you reinforce recessive traits that are recessive for a reason, i.e. they are bad.

Natural selection has resulted in many unhelpful gene values within species. They are mostly recessive (i.e. you need two copies, one from each parent, for them to control health or development). If they were dominant, the offspring who inherit them would have the problem condition and would lose out to healthier specimens who don't inherit that gene value. But the fact that they are around at all suggests that eliminating them would eliminate other good qualities, since genes reside on chromosomes and it is entire chromosomes that are passed on by the parents. So some bad genes persist and wise populations avoid doubling on them.

But second, there are a lot of traits that aren't controlled by a single gene or even two or three of them, but which result from a very complex interaction of proteins controlled by many genes. These are well beyond our current ability to predict.

Reputable dog breeders know about these mechanisms and use linebreeding (but not close inbreeding) to ensure the persistence of excellent qualities. They also breed outside of their lines once every few generations to dogs with similar physical characteristics but different heritages, to maintain hybrid vigor and genetic diversity. Persistent inbreeding leads to loss of reproductive vigor and health, even where there isn't any obvious inherited problem otherwise.

Posted by lotp 2009-09-23 08:01|| 2009-09-23 08:01|| Front Page Top

#9 Also,IIRC, 1st cousin marriage is significantly different from sister marriage.

Maybe the first time, lord garth, but if you do that for several generations....and your family tree resembles a telephone pole, it really isn't.

Posted by Cornsilk Blondie 2009-09-23 08:17|| 2009-09-23 08:17|| Front Page Top

#10 After a while, all those goat and camel genomes are gonna sneak in and mix. Jes' sayin', cuz,

Posted by AlmostAnonymous5839">AlmostAnonymous5839 2009-09-23 10:42|| 2009-09-23 10:42|| Front Page Top

#11 We need to prepare strategies with a special focus on genetics," Dr. Ghazi Omar Tadmouri, Assistant Director of CAGS, said in a statement. CAGS has so far completed studies in the UAE, Oman and Bahrain and plans to continue extensive research throughout the Arab world.

Please don't tell me arab science is motivated by the desire to boink their cousins . . . .

Posted by gorb 2009-09-23 11:01|| 2009-09-23 11:01|| Front Page Top

#12 Cornsilk,

You make a good point about the multigenerational effect of 1st cousin marriage. Getting a handle on this depends, to a great extent, on whether the 'other' parent of the 1st cousin is from the same clan or outside the clan but from the same tribe or from another tribe. If the 'other' parent is always from the same clan, I think the genetic history would get pretty thin (as you say, telephone pole like), however, if every third generation or so there was someone from outside the clan (even better outside the tribe), that would help a lot.

Posted by lord garth 2009-09-23 11:36|| 2009-09-23 11:36|| Front Page Top

#13 Lotp, ever considered how selective breeding for sociopathy would look?

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2009-09-23 11:40|| 2009-09-23 11:40|| Front Page Top

#14 For reference here are some links concerning a case study on inbreeding among non-Arabs:

This is a description of the "Habsburg Jaw".

Charles II of Spain for example was not only "funny looking" but was actually physically handicapped.

This is his family tree, his his mother's mother was also his father's sister. Telephone pole indeed.

I wouldn't be surprised if the people portrayed came out of a gene ~~pond~~ pool of similar "depth".

Posted by Chanter Jomosh8995 2009-09-23 15:40|| 2009-09-23 15:40|| Front Page Top

#15 I can't believe Mucky didn't make the rogue's gallery

Posted by Jomomp Borgia1635 2009-09-23 17:00|| 2009-09-23 17:00|| Front Page Top

#16 Marrying my brother? Eeeeewwwwwww.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2009-09-23 18:19|| 2009-09-23 18:19|| Front Page Top

#17 Arranged marriages defeats natural selection. Let young people pick their own mates. Let them decide to whom they are attracted. It's much healthier that way. But then, if you are a young man with feelings of inadequacy that might not be the way you want to go.

Posted by Abu Uluque 2009-09-23 18:25|| 2009-09-23 18:25|| Front Page Top

#18 "if you are a young man with feelings of inadequacy"

Which pretty much sums up all the men in predominantly moslem countries.

Oh, wait - it's not an inferiority complex. They really are inferior ~~in the pants department~~....

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2009-09-23 18:47|| 2009-09-23 18:47|| Front Page Top

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