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2008-10-29 Home Front: Politix
Palin's future causes Republican rift
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Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2008-10-29 11:46|| || Front Page|| [11133 views ]  Top

#1 CNN is having wet dreams again. A civil war within the party? That's what we have primaries for.
Posted by bigjim-ky 2008-10-29 12:24||   2008-10-29 12:24|| Front Page Top

#2 not to mention that the fact that they ass-u-me that McCain lost. Last I looked at the polls, they are tightening like they always do before the Republicans win.
Posted by Betty 2008-10-29 12:46||   2008-10-29 12:46|| Front Page Top

#3 After editing for context, its shoudl read this way:

In one corner are some Manhattan-DC cocktail-party & media conservatives who believe the Alaska governor has been a detriment to John McCain's presidential bid and threatens to lead the party astray back to its conservative/populist Reagan roots thereby denying the elites their influence and access to power for the foreseeable future.

... as if McCain's constant blundering and lackluster campaigning is not enough of a cause of failure in itself.

The only reason Gov Palin may be "hurting" certain demographics is that the mass media has been savaging her and painting a false portrait on behalf of the Obama campaign, instead of telling the truth.
Posted by Jiggs Slolutch1780 2008-10-29 12:55||   2008-10-29 12:55|| Front Page Top

#4 This election I am voting for Palin and whomever she is running with.
Posted by 3dc 2008-10-29 12:59||   2008-10-29 12:59|| Front Page Top

#5 sounds like a truckload of FUD to me...

(FUD = Fear Uncertainy & Doubt, for those who aren't in the know, which would be very few Rantburgers, but you never know...)
Posted by Querent 2008-10-29 13:05||   2008-10-29 13:05|| Front Page Top

#6 I agree with 3dc. I'm voting more for Palin than I am for McCain. One thing that so-called Republican "leaders" overlook is that conservatives by and large vote Republican because there is nowhere else for them to go, not because they are in love with the party.
Posted by Infidel Bob 2008-10-29 13:50||   2008-10-29 13:50|| Front Page Top

#7 I agree with 3dc.

I'm voting for Palin and against Obama.

If Mac can pull off the upset he'd be well advised to understand that Palin won the election for him.

History shows that "elite conservatives" were dismissive and harshly critical of Mr. Reagan and Mrs. Thatcher long before those two giants came into their own.
Posted by MarkZ 2008-10-29 13:52||   2008-10-29 13:52|| Front Page Top

#8 Had the VP been Tom Ridge or Mitt, I think McCain would have had a stronger hand. I won't be voting for Palin in 2012, maybe Mitt.

"I'm going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues. I still need to be educated." Wall Street Journal, 11/26/05

"The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should." Boston Globe Political Intelligence, 12/18/07

"I might have to rely on a vice president that I select" for expertise on economic issues. GOP Debate, 11/28/07
Posted by Snavins Forkbeard5154 2008-10-29 13:52||   2008-10-29 13:52|| Front Page Top

#9 However it turns out Tuesday, i think the RNC would be terminally stoopid not to include SP in future plans. She has connected with so many folks and shaken up the conventional wisdom that that momentum should be capitalized on.
Posted by USN, Ret. 2008-10-29 14:17||   2008-10-29 14:17|| Front Page Top

#10 Palin is not ready to be President - but nobody is. She does impress me as a 'quick study' though.

I can't remember where I saw this, supposedly from a former Dem speechwriter:
Governor Palin and I don’t agree on a lot of things, mostly social issues. But I have grown to appreciate the Governor. I was one of those initial skeptics and would laugh at the pictures. Not anymore. When someone takes on a corrupt political machine and a sitting governor, that is not done by someone with a low I.Q. or a moral core made of tissue paper. When someone fights her way to get scholarships and work her way through college even in a jagged line, that shows determination and humility you can’t learn from reading Reinhold Niebuhr. When a mother brings her son with special needs onto the national stage with love, honesty, and pride, that gives hope to families like mine as my older brother lives with a mental disability. And when someone can sit on a stage during the Sarah Palin rap on Saturday Night Live, put her hands in the air and watch someone in a moose costume get shot—that’s a sign of both humor and humanity.
Posted by Glenmore 2008-10-29 14:34||   2008-10-29 14:34|| Front Page Top

#11 The only thing that the republicans can blame for McCain losing (which is very, very far from certain), is McCain. He has not inspired me and I was only going to vote for him as a anti-Obama vote.

Now, I am voting for Palin and Mr. Lackluster.
Posted by DarthVader 2008-10-29 14:51||   2008-10-29 14:51|| Front Page Top

#12 She's the front running trunk in '12. Get used to it.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2008-10-29 14:52||   2008-10-29 14:52|| Front Page Top

#13 CNN gets to work early for 2012...
Posted by tu3031 2008-10-29 15:00||   2008-10-29 15:00|| Front Page Top

#14 I'm not a Palin fan or a Palin skeptic. But the way the media has gone after her has gotten my hackles up. Some pundits may dislike her because she doesn't have an Ivy League degree and hasn't served in the military. Let me point out that Reagan wasn't an Ivy League alumnus either.
Posted by Zhang Fei 2008-10-29 15:04|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com]  2008-10-29 15:04|| Front Page Top

#15 I'm voting for Palin because she is "country", and its time that we are represented somewhere in this government besides the military.
Posted by bman 2008-10-29 15:13||   2008-10-29 15:13|| Front Page Top

#16 It's my belief that they're trying to make Palin the scapegoat for the fallout from McCain's decision to sign the bailout package.
Posted by Thing From Snowy Mountain 2008-10-29 15:28||   2008-10-29 15:28|| Front Page Top

#17 Palin has more executive experience than ohbama, unless you count spending a ricockulous amount of money for a such a narrow lead and choosing joe "I'm Joe Biden" biden as encouraging.

Personally I'm more comfortable voting for the BlueDog/Repulican ticket than the 2 shifty lawyers.
Posted by swksvolFF 2008-10-29 15:28||   2008-10-29 15:28|| Front Page Top

#18 I think the media campaign against Palin has been effective. I believe her "brand" is severely damaged, perhaps beyond repair. She is a dumb hick who depends on voices from the heavens to make her decisions (not what I think, but what the media has created). It will be very, very hard for her to overcome that. She will always be fighting the headwinds of that image.

I am not a McCain fan, other than I absolutely believe in his love of country and his dedication to same. But he is a populist and will do some very stupid economic things unless he listens to smart people around him.

There are times when I think that we should just let Obama win because he is going to be such a train wreck that it will expose the idiocy of the dem party. But I fear the damage he will do, or the damage he will let happen through his inaction.

I will pull for McCain/Palin. Screw the lying, sack-o-shit media.
Posted by remoteman 2008-10-29 15:41||   2008-10-29 15:41|| Front Page Top

#19 I already voted against Obama (absentee). Mitt would've been my choice for VP. Actually I would've loved to see Mitt & Fred or Mitt & Palin in the future on a ticket.
Posted by Broadhead6 2008-10-29 15:42||   2008-10-29 15:42|| Front Page Top

#20 Well said Remoteman.
Posted by Broadhead6 2008-10-29 15:43||   2008-10-29 15:43|| Front Page Top

#21 As I recall, people used to think Ronald Reagan was some kind of a kooky, right-wing fringe element. But after four years in office Jimmuh Carter had so weakened himself with his own record of incompetence that people couldn't vote for Reagan fast enough.

If McCain loses it will be his own fault, not Palin's. Choosing her as his running mate was one of the smartest decisions he ever made.

And after four years of Obama my bet is people will be chomping at their bits to vote for anybody but him. And who would run in the Republican primaries against Palin? Huckleberry? Giuliani? Thompson? What's his name from Massachusetts? (I got so excited about him that I forgot his name.) I don't think so. Palin doesn't need intellect because she has something better: common sense. She's the breath of fresh air that this country needs.
Posted by Ebbang Uluque6305 2008-10-29 15:50||   2008-10-29 15:50|| Front Page Top

#22 There are times when I think that we should just let Obama win because he is going to be such a train wreck that it will expose the idiocy of the dem party. But I fear the damage he will do, or the damage he will let happen through his inaction.

The last years of the Weimar Republic were plagued by political deadlock, increasing political street violence, and economic depression. These years were also marked by leaders who, lacking firm commitment to democracy, were willing to invoke emergency legislation as a substitute for parliamentary consent.

But it couldn't happen here, right?


Posted by Besoeker 2008-10-29 16:08||   2008-10-29 16:08|| Front Page Top

#23 Or here in Fronze!
Posted by anonymous5089 2008-10-29 16:30||   2008-10-29 16:30|| Front Page Top

#24 You'll find me down in Ribeauville with the birds if it happens here anonymous.
Posted by Besoeker 2008-10-29 16:36||   2008-10-29 16:36|| Front Page Top

#25 With those guys?
Posted by anonymous5089 2008-10-29 16:43||   2008-10-29 16:43|| Front Page Top

#26 If McCain loses, I think the 2012 Republican challengers are 1) Palin 2) Jeb Bush 3) Romney and 4) Bobby Jindal. Not sure who'd win that, but I'd place my marker on Palin.


If McCain wins, he's almost certainly not going to go for a second term. If his term goes reasonably well, Palin is a lock. If it doesn't, it won't matter who the Republicans nominate.
Posted by Steve White 2008-10-29 18:35||   2008-10-29 18:35|| Front Page Top

#27 Steve, I think the Bush family ran the wrong son first. Had Jeb ran first, the family might have had 3 presidents.

I think the Bush name can't be overcome for at least 8 years.
Posted by Mike N. 2008-10-29 20:07||   2008-10-29 20:07|| Front Page Top

#28 Had it been Romney, the original plastic FAKE con and slime merchant, the campaign would have been over long ago and Obama's margins woudl be even bigger, mcCains funds even smaller. No conservative base, etc. Same goes for Pro-Choice Ridge, and grey and vanilla as it gets.

You need to wake up and get out amongst the people the LIVE conservatism instead of talk about it -- that's Palin country.
Posted by OldSpook 2008-10-29 20:24||   2008-10-29 20:24|| Front Page Top

#29 Palin and Jindal will be going head to head but in a CONSTRUCTIVE way. One will be the Pres the other the VP, and we will have a great ticket no matter which of those is top of the ticket.
Posted by OldSpook 2008-10-29 20:26||   2008-10-29 20:26|| Front Page Top

#30 Fred! is done. He only ran because a lot of us pulled him in against his will. He makes a good speaker and great on commercials, but not a campaigner.

Jeb Bush, if he were named Joe Briggs instead, would be a shoe-in based on abilities to campaign, his fairly solid conservative philosophy, his performance record, and his ability to fund raise.

Its a shame his brother valued loyalty over ability and had no real philosophy of government (liek hsi father), and ruined the family name.
Posted by OldSpook 2008-10-29 20:32||   2008-10-29 20:32|| Front Page Top

#31 
3dc Rote,
"This election I am voting for Palin and whomever she is running with."


Me Rote,
"YEP IMA CONCUR WID 3dc."

Posted by Red Dawg">Red Dawg  2008-10-29 20:35||   2008-10-29 20:35|| Front Page Top

#32 Palin made it very clear in Minneapolis that she had no use for the Wash/NY media or the political elite, both Dem and Repub. That was a challenge they could not ignore.

The media have spent the campaign trying to destroy her. A degree of survival depends upon it.
Her populist meme depends on going to the people over their heads.

Now that the campaign is winding down, politcos of various persuasions are adding their voices to the take down. Win or lose, she is a threat to business as usual in DC. Her record in Alaska makes it clear that she doesn't play party favorites.

If McCain wins, she carries her populace message to the White House. She might not find a lot of friends in Congress. She has demonstrated that only makes her stronger.

If McCain loses, she is free to start her 2012 campaign immediately. She takes her message to directly the people. Something she has shown that she is very capable of doing, and based on the crowds she pulls, someone whom with they want to connect.


Posted by Skunky Glins 5***">Skunky Glins 5***  2008-10-29 20:38||   2008-10-29 20:38|| Front Page Top

#33 Agree with OS on the '12 ticket. The biggest question is whether, if Mc Cain wins, he will step aside voluntarily or be subjected to a humiliating primary defeat.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2008-10-29 21:12||   2008-10-29 21:12|| Front Page Top

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