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2008-09-23 Home Front: Politix

Lies, Durn Lies, and Obama's Tax Proposal

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Posted by Bobby 2008-09-23 06:32|| || Front Page|| [10327 views ] Top

#1 Posted for my friend, Edd, an occasional lurker.

Posted by Bobby 2008-09-23 06:39|| 2008-09-23 06:39|| Front Page Top

#2 giving checks to lower-income families, he will have to raise taxes by hundreds of billions of dollars. But if lower-income Americans receive a check for $1,000 under the Obama plan yet have to pay $2,000 more when buying food and clothes, they are worse off.

More imperialist dogma. Comrade Obama will provide food, clothes, government mandated forgiveness from Discover Card and Amex debt. Free housing will also be provided seperately. The periodic $1000 cash payments will be provided for Escalade lease payments and gas.

Posted by Besoeker 2008-09-23 08:52|| 2008-09-23 08:52|| Front Page Top

#3 Both candidate's economic plans will be rendered moot by January 20th due to the current unfolding crisis. Obama's plans are already irrelevant & getting more so daily.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2008-09-23 09:20|| 2008-09-23 09:20|| Front Page Top

#4 Just because you are lowering taxes does not mean that you increase the amount of money returned. In Obama's plan it probably does, but it doesn't necessarily mean so.

Posted by rjschwarz 2008-09-23 10:27|| 2008-09-23 10:27|| Front Page Top

#5 I'm waiting for a politician to say, okay, IRS is gone. Flat tax has worked wonders in Chile and the Baltic States so we'll start at 15% (or whatever the economists decide). We believe this will unclutter the economy and a year from now (or two) we'll further fine-tune. Also we're planning an across the board budget cut. Everything gets cut 10% except the military. Other programs are just gonna have to go because we can't pay off Social Security the way we're going and those cute little old people, well we promised them long before we promised the piss-Christ artist he'd get cash.

Posted by rjschwarz 2008-09-23 10:30|| 2008-09-23 10:30|| Front Page Top

#6 Word RJ. I want to see Congress actually have some balls. No way it is going to happen, at least on the Dem side. But it would be nice to see the Republicans actually step up and put forth a plan that would introduce fundamental change. Of course some groups would be pissed off. So what. They are going to be a whole lot more pissed off if the economy goes deep into the tank due to Obama/the dems mismanagement.

If Obama does win, you know he is going to screw things up so badly that there won't be another democrat elected president for a generation. But that screw up is going to cost us all dearly.

Posted by remoteman 2008-09-23 14:07|| 2008-09-23 14:07|| Front Page Top

#7 I want to see Congress actually have some balls.

Ain't going to happen. At least not the way you're hoping, Remoteman.

The key problem here is that we have lawyers making our laws. They have a vested interest in creating complex, weasle worded wonders that they or their ilk can bypass at will. Until we fix that, we're not going to have law for the common man, and the legal profession will continue to screw us into the ground.

Posted by DLR 2008-09-23 15:06|| http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html]">[http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html] 2008-09-23 15:06|| Front Page Top

#8 There won't be any money left to give to anyone. He is our Mugabe.

Posted by Jack is Back!">Jack is Back! 2008-09-23 16:07|| 2008-09-23 16:07|| Front Page Top

#9 Amen to that comment Jack, and with a wife to match Winnie Mandela.

Posted by Besoeker 2008-09-23 16:42|| 2008-09-23 16:42|| Front Page Top

#10 Every once in awhile in the US a third party replaces one of the existing parties. I think that time is overdue. If Obama loses it's likely the Greens will gain in strength. If Obama wins the Libertarians (or the Libertarian wing of the Republicans) will gain strength.

I just think too many people are pissed off right now. I mean Bush's numbers are low. Congress is even lower. Both candidates are trying to campaign as outsiders and reformers. Everyone knows the system is screwed but the boys and girls in Congress just can't control themselves long enough anymore.

Posted by rjschwarz 2008-09-23 16:43|| 2008-09-23 16:43|| Front Page Top

#11 When you allow kids in the candy store they're bound to make a mess.

Congress on both sides of the aisle is exactly that and has been for a long time.

There are programs in this country that I think are vital (the military, NASA, maybe the Dept of Energy which funds a LOT of long-term research which has direct benefits, maybe a few others). A 10% across-the-board budget cut would kill NASA and lot of DOE programs, but you could easily eliminate a few dozen other government departments and programs - the IRS, the Dept of Education, HUD, and others just to start. Getting rid of the nearly 2-dozen government police agencies and forcing the FBI to do its job would be another. Restructuring the Dept of State and the CIA would also be a start.

Inevitably, you're going to have to force the tes of thousands of government workers and lawyers out of their comfy do-nothing government jobs out into a labor force where a lot of them will have the skills only to dig ditches (which isn't necessarily a bad thing).

One can dream, but as long as it's kids minding the candy store there's going to be a mess.

Posted by FOTSGreg">FOTSGreg 2008-09-23 18:08|| 2008-09-23 18:08|| Front Page Top

#12 We can save a ton of money just by getting rid of HUD and Education - there's nothing in the Constitution that authorizes them at the federal level anyway.

Not that that stops the politicians....

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2008-09-23 18:37|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/] 2008-09-23 18:37|| Front Page Top

#13 Don't leave out the CDC: they're the medical DEW line for the entire planet. We give them way too little money for what they do.

Posted by Ptah">Ptah 2008-09-23 21:06|| http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]">[http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org] 2008-09-23 21:06|| Front Page Top

#14 Double ditto Ptah.

Posted by Besoeker 2008-09-23 21:07|| 2008-09-23 21:07|| Front Page Top

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