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2008-07-29 Iraq

U.S. Cities Are Just As Dangerous As Iraq...Press Silent

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Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2008-07-29 10:50|| || Front Page|| [2 views ] Top

#1 Like nude dancing and flag burning, homicide is a form of "protected speech" in American inner cities - as long as the perps and vics are from the "proper" aggreived social groups, peeps just looking for "respect." That's the liberal outlook, anyway...

Posted by M. Murcek">M. Murcek 2008-07-29 11:29|| 2008-07-29 11:29|| Front Page Top

#2 The raw numbers may be about the same, but Iraq is about 1/10th the pop. of the U.S.
So that makes it about 10X more dangerous.

Posted by bigjim-ky 2008-07-29 12:29|| 2008-07-29 12:29|| Front Page Top

#3 "...The mainstream press does not like to delve too deeply into the subject due to the fact that minorities commit a disproportionate amount of crime."

in addition minorities are disproportionately the victims of violent crime

also, a pretty substantial percentage of murder victims are themselves convicted felons.

Posted by mhw">mhw 2008-07-29 12:38|| http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/]">[http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/] 2008-07-29 12:38|| Front Page Top

#4 I think the article hits it's mark. I'll take it a step further. Of those US cities listed, how many of them have gun control? hmmmmmm

Posted by Rex Mundi 2008-07-29 12:40|| 2008-07-29 12:40|| Front Page Top

#5 Big Jim: What percentage of the US murders are insurgents killing for political reasons? What percentage of Iraqi deaths are gang-bangers fighting for drug turf?

Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2008-07-29 12:50|| 2008-07-29 12:50|| Front Page Top

#6 10X more dangerous overall, but not the case for certain cities - Analysis of those figures gives New Orleans a murder rate of 1 in every 3,597 people, while the murder rate for Iraq is much lower with 1 in every 4,486 people.

Figures don't lie.

Posted by Bobby 2008-07-29 12:52|| 2008-07-29 12:52|| Front Page Top

#7 also, a pretty substantial percentage of murder victims are themselves convicted felons.

That I did not know, mhw. It does rather change things, doesn't it?

Figures don't lie.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics, Bobby dear. But I s'pose that technically it isn't the figures themselves that are doing the misleading.

Posted by trailing wife ">trailing wife 2008-07-29 12:57|| 2008-07-29 12:57|| Front Page Top

#8 Wow, New Orleans has a murder rate thats higher than Iraq overall. That includes the kurdish areas and other sections of Iraq that are safer.

How about compare the most dangerous cities in Iraq to the most dangerous in the US? Or just compare national rates as Big Jim has done.

You dont NEED to say that Iraq is no more dangerous than the US to make the case that the surge was right and this is not a quagmire. Saying silly things just sets one up for attacks from the left, and distracts from real accomplishments. Why set up a straw man?

Posted by liberalhawk 2008-07-29 13:12|| 2008-07-29 13:12|| Front Page Top

#9 Mardi Gras moving to Kurdistan?

Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2008-07-29 13:25|| 2008-07-29 13:25|| Front Page Top

#10 Bill Roggio has written an an article on just this subject. The readers comments go into more detail.

Iraq before the invasion had a per capita murder rate of 1 per million per day (about the same as LA and NYC during the crack wars). This was before the insurgency, and was just the "background noise" of crime in Iraqi society.

In the last several months, Iraq has had a murder rate less than before OIF. This means, not only are AQI and JAM smashed, but progress is being made against the many criminal gangs in Iraqi society.

Baghdad currently has a murder rate similar to Atlanta, which makes it more violent than some American cities like Detroit and Baltimore.

The most dangerous place in Iraq right now is Diyala, which is approximately 4 times as dangerous as Baghdad. Once Diyala is cleaned up, Iraq will be the safest it's been for a very long time.

Posted by Frozen Al 2008-07-29 15:43|| 2008-07-29 15:43|| Front Page Top

#11 So a more accurate statement might be in order. It looks like most of the murders in the U.S. take place in just a few cities. They may actually be as dangerous, maybe more, than Iraq. 98% of the geographical area of the U.S. is pretty damned safe. It's those, urban jungles if you will, that are the problem.

Posted by bigjim-ky 2008-07-29 18:24|| 2008-07-29 18:24|| Front Page Top

#12 Sounds like you need a surge back in Atlanta!

Posted by Bright Pebbles 2008-07-29 18:24|| 2008-07-29 18:24|| Front Page Top

#13 BP,

The local authorities appear to be part of the problem, not the solution.

Posted by Procopius2k 2008-07-29 19:22|| 2008-07-29 19:22|| Front Page Top

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