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2008-06-27 -Signs, Portents, and the Weather-
Exclusive: No ice at the North Pole - Northwest Passage open at last
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Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2008-06-27 08:27|| || Front Page|| [11131 views ]  Top

#1 Ok I am a complete idiot when it comes to weather. This story basically says ice melts in the summer? Did I miss something?
Posted by Cyber Sarge 2008-06-27 08:55||   2008-06-27 08:55|| Front Page Top

#2 Time for all good people to commit suicide, decrease the surplus population, and end their personal contribution to global warming.
Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2008-06-27 09:00||   2008-06-27 09:00|| Front Page Top

#3 Nothing to do at all with ocean currents and normal cyclical activity. Nor those volcanic vents.

Gotta be AGW per the religious tenets of the Ecogods and their Prophets Hansen and Gore.
Posted by OldSpook 2008-06-27 09:10||   2008-06-27 09:10|| Front Page Top

#4 Our work is done here.
Adios.
Posted by Halliburton: Northwest Passage Division 2008-06-27 09:23||   2008-06-27 09:23|| Front Page Top

#5 Well, it will make drilling for oil a heck of a lot easier.
Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader  2008-06-27 09:29||   2008-06-27 09:29|| Front Page Top

#6 Say, I wonder where those enormous Arctic volcanic eruptions, reported about yesterday, are happening?
Posted by Anonymoose 2008-06-27 09:39||   2008-06-27 09:39|| Front Page Top

#7 I just knew this was made up for TV and couldn't possibly be real on this sweltering globe:

http://www.history.com/minisites/iceroadtruckers
Posted by M. Murcek">M. Murcek  2008-06-27 09:44||   2008-06-27 09:44|| Front Page Top

#8 One of the research centers at the U of Wisc. maps the sea ice cover on a weekly basis.

You have to suffer through the rectangular projection and also realize that

- they use an analysis convention that shows 51% coverage as all ice and 49% coverage as ice free, and

- where the satellites weren't able to get images (typically because of clouds), they use a complicated formula which takes into account climatology and persistance.

However, other than that, its a pretty good product.

As of the latest analysis date (Jun 23), there was plenty of ice around.
Posted by mhw 2008-06-27 10:53||   2008-06-27 10:53|| Front Page Top

#9 All this MMGW crap ignores one import factor; volcanoes. One good Mt. St Helens - or Pinatubo - or Tambora - and the earth's surface goes into a quick chill - and there is bugger all that human infestation of the Earth's crust can do about it.
Posted by Lone Ranger 2008-06-27 11:17||   2008-06-27 11:17|| Front Page Top

#10 Given the area of the Arctic ice pack, and the thickness of the ice, how much will the oceans rise worldwide if the ice pack melts completely?
Answer: NOT ONE MILLIMETER.
Posted by Rambler in California">Rambler in California  2008-06-27 11:20||   2008-06-27 11:20|| Front Page Top

#11 Actually, there's more ice this year than at the same date last year.

http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=06&fd=26&fy=2007&sm=06&sd=26&sy=2008
Posted by DoDo 2008-06-27 12:04||   2008-06-27 12:04|| Front Page Top

#12 Rambler

That is only true if you assume the only difference is the ice to water phase change (and nothing happens to the baffin and greenland ice sheets). If the whole column of water increases in temperature, the column increases in height (because warm water is less dense).
Posted by mhw 2008-06-27 12:06||   2008-06-27 12:06|| Front Page Top

#13 the normally thick ice formed over many years at the Pole has been blown away

So it's Global Wind at fault. Mr. Greenie, tear down that wind turbine!

Posted by ed 2008-06-27 12:21||   2008-06-27 12:21|| Front Page Top

#14 The northwest passage was open from 1903-1906. So this isn't the first time in human history, is it.
Posted by bigjim-ky 2008-06-27 13:42||   2008-06-27 13:42|| Front Page Top

#15 Not even the first time in recorded human history, Bigjim.

Humans have been around for 70+ thousand years (probably closer to 500 thousand to 1 million) so the statement is blatantly false and demonstrates a typical inability by the mass media to fact check in favor of ringing the GW alarm bell.

Posted by FOTSGreg">FOTSGreg  2008-06-27 14:25|| fots.cdgroup.org]">[fots.cdgroup.org]  2008-06-27 14:25|| Front Page Top

#16 #12 - mhw, that is what I was assuming. As for the Baffin and Greenland ice sheets, even the bogus UN climate report admitted that it would take a very long time (hundred of years or more) for the Greenland ice sheet to melt. I realize that ice caps over land would add to sea levels rising if they melted.
Posted by Rambler in California">Rambler in California  2008-06-27 14:44||   2008-06-27 14:44|| Front Page Top

#17 For the AGW alarmist crowd, human history started when the Goracle started warning people about global warming.
Posted by Rambler in California">Rambler in California  2008-06-27 14:45||   2008-06-27 14:45|| Front Page Top

#18 Its been widely predicted by AGW experts with high confidence based on models that Arctic ice extent would set a new record low this year. Those predictions are almost certainly wrong as Arctic ice is well above last years level.

Note the article quotes a bunch of anecdotal sources, while ignoring the up to date data available at places like Cryosphere Today.

And of course no one dares mention Antarctic ice which is at record levels.

Also of interest, is that sea levels have stopped rising for the last year or so.
Posted by Phil_B 2008-06-27 17:08||   2008-06-27 17:08|| Front Page Top

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