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2008-06-16 Home Front: Politix

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Posted by Sherry 2008-06-16 11:17|| || Front Page|| [11131 views ] Top

#1 I suspect a situation analagous to what was recently described at Sondrak's blog, re: why aren't the right-wingers all revolting: [link]:

We dont need excuses to act out. Were adults. If we wanted to, we would. The reason we dont is that we all have businesses, work, familiesthings we built and are buildingthat need our attention and that we refuse to bring to harm by acting out.

Same reason your Mom doesnt throw dishes when shes angryshe knows she would hafta clean it up.
...but I guess kidz raised by a Nanny State wouldnt get this concept.

China is a big country, and I guess there are still some parts of the party that are bothered by the whole "ok, now all our vastly unstable friends have nuclear weapons, now what?" question.

This stuff isn't just dangerous to western liberal democracies, it's dangerous to anyone who wants a nation-state different than the North Korean model, which in spite of supporting in North Korea, the Chinese don't want for themselves.

Obama is literally running on the platform that anyone who's an actual adult doesn't deserve power, and there's no real nuclear proliferation problem that isn't the result of the US being Mean To People. During the age that will eventually be called "now the Hendersons have the bomb."

Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2008-06-16 11:57|| 2008-06-16 11:57|| Front Page Top

#2 STFU commies, nobody asked you one way or the other.

Posted by Spot">Spot 2008-06-16 11:57|| 2008-06-16 11:57|| Front Page Top

#3 Why the criticism when I've told everybody in sight that I want to make America socialist too? I even do my campaign posters in the approved style!

Posted by Barack Unspoken Middle Name Obama 2008-06-16 12:06|| 2008-06-16 12:06|| Front Page Top

#4 a) lots of warm feelings for the Clintons in Beijing

b) Chinese dislike instability unless they're provoking it, and BHO will bring it in spades.

Posted by lotp 2008-06-16 12:16|| 2008-06-16 12:16|| Front Page Top

#5 The Chinese also sometimes have a streak of realism.

In this case, they probably see McCain as maintaining the status quo, as far as not upsetting either the balance of power in the world or the international economy.

While McCain would be a dangerous enemy, at least he understands and respects Chinese power as well. He would not foolishly attack China for some infantile reason.

Obama, however, is naive. He has no grasp of either foreign policy or economics, so he would be a tool of whoever has his ear. And that could be Taiwan, the Dalai Lama, Reverend Moon, or even Falun Gong.

If there was an I Ching for "dangerously chaotic", it would come up strong for Obama.

Posted by Anonymoose 2008-06-16 13:17|| 2008-06-16 13:17|| Front Page Top

#6 Maybe China's doubts have less to do with geopolitics and more to do with what happens to the biggest single market for their manufactured goods if Obambi gets in and enacts his promised Herbert Hoover-style economic plan.

Posted by Ricky bin Ricardo (Abu Babaloo) 2008-06-16 13:49|| 2008-06-16 13:49|| Front Page Top

#7 "Chinese dislike instability unless they're provoking it, and BHO will bring it in spades."

LOTP, please provide coffee/monitor alert next time.

Posted by USN, Ret. 2008-06-16 14:10|| 2008-06-16 14:10|| Front Page Top

#8 Gotta remember: Chinese are rivals of USA, not enemy of USA.

Posted by g(r)omgoru 2008-06-16 14:28|| 2008-06-16 14:28|| Front Page Top

#9 Perhaps the Chinese think Obama will pull back from the Pacific Rim which might give them a bit of a Japan problem before long. Perhaps they worry that the US Navy which keeps the trade routes open won't be as effective at making sure that oil the Chinese need makes it to Chinese ports. Perhaps the Chinese know that if Obama pulls us out of Iraq war with Iran and Israel increases in likely hood and disruption of that oil is assured.

Posted by rjschwarz 2008-06-16 14:41|| 2008-06-16 14:41|| Front Page Top

#10 Perhaps the Chinese don't know wtf the loon would do if he got in office.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2008-06-16 15:25|| 2008-06-16 15:25|| Front Page Top

#11 I am gonna guess that it's mostly trade-related, with a mild dose of racism thrown in. On trade, Obama appears to be such a leftist that he might actually impose hefty tariffs on Chinese goods, something that the Chinese don't need at this point, given all the additional developed-country type regulations (combined with loopy China-specific items) the central government has imposed on the economy. Bottom line is that China's cost advantage relative to other developing countries is slipping, and serious tariffs would be the final straw that sent the Chinese economy into negative growth territory.

On the racism front, the average Chinese considers whites only slightly inferior to them, despite having less than 5000 years of recorded history (TM), because countries run by whites are visibly richer than China, and for the most part have not been defeated by China in battle. Blacks are a whole nother story. (Although in mitigation, it has to be said that there is no hint that the Chinese believe *anyone* should be subjected to the institutionalized racism of Jim Crow laws - the attitude is more or less of racial snobbery and condescension similar to what you might have found in Victorian England).

Posted by Zhang Fei">Zhang Fei 2008-06-16 20:59|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2008-06-16 20:59|| Front Page Top

#12 Another possibility is that the Chinese government prefers Obama, but thinks appearing to support McCain is more likely to promote their interests.

Or, as Zhang Fei says, they are afraid of Obama's protectionism.

Posted by Caesar Floting6671 2008-06-16 21:05|| 2008-06-16 21:05|| Front Page Top

#13 Another possibility is that the Chinese government prefers Obama, but thinks appearing to support McCain is more likely to promote their interests.

Actually, I think Obama is worse for them in practical ways. One, stomping on Chinese exports might get the Chinese government ticked off, but at a gut level, the average Chinese probably understands the concept of national sovereignty - governments make trade policy as they see fit. Two, the traditional Chinese bogeyman - and this has nothing to do with Communism - is the white man who, in the Chinese psyche, is an evil force perennially striving to keep the yellow man down. Having Obama in office deprives the Chinese government of this bogeyman. Three, Obama's national security policy is likely to be non-assertive - that is to say, he will probably cut hundreds of billions off the defense budget, while downsizing the forces facing China. This benefits the Chinese government, but deprives it of another excuse to demonize Uncle Sam. And China will need someone - preferably foreign - to blame when the Chinese economy slides in recession after Obama-scale tariffs go into effect.

Posted by Zhang Fei">Zhang Fei 2008-06-16 21:40|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2008-06-16 21:40|| Front Page Top

#14 OTOH, WAFF.com > ISRAELNN - UNDERSTANDING THE NEW RUSSIA THREAT . Russ "Arms Diplomacy", espec in ASIA-PACIFIC vv both CHIHNA + USA. Artic - POST COLD WAR/USSR RUSSIA has under VLAD PUTIN a TOTALITARIAN MAFIA-POLITICAL STATE = REGIONAL-GLOBAL MAFIA STATE? perceived as controlled by the KGB-FSB [VladVedev]. CRIME SYNDICATE/
SYNDICATION > become the de facto means for ach POST-COLD WAR RUSS MANIFEST DESTINY = NEW "NATIONAL GREATNESS", + ach RUSS-DESIRED NEW GLOBAL EMPIRE via TRADE-PAID/SUPPOR NEW RUSS WAR MACHINE TO DE FACTO MILPOL CHALLENGE THE US-WEST, WHICH ARTIC PROCLAIMS RUSS IS INDEED DOING.

THE POST-COLD WAR/USSR NEW RUSS WAR MACHINE IS DESIGNED AND INTENDED TO FORCE AND DEFEND RUSS POLICIES UPON THE WORLD, AND WHERE THE SAME GOES AND TRAMPLES UPON, THE KGB-FSB = RUSS MAFIA STATE IS CERTAIN TO FOLLOW.

IOW, and among other thingys, VLADVEDEV = OSAMA + RADICAL ISLAM = ASIA-PACIFIC IS THE TRUE FOCII REGARDLESS OF WHAT EVENTS SEEMINGLY OCCURS IN ME + WESTERN EUROPE.

*Osama + Radical Islam > Hopes to save the Jihad via NUCLEAR CENTRAL ISLAMIST CENTRAL = FUTURE ISLAMIST ASIA, etc.

*VLADVEDEV > ASIA-PACFIC is the NEW "FULDA GAP" OF ANTI-US/NATO MILPOL COMPETITION AND CONFRONTATION???

Posted by JosephMendiola 2008-06-16 22:12|| 2008-06-16 22:12|| Front Page Top

#15 WAFF.com > WAPO = IN EUROPE, A SLIDE TOWARDS IRRELEVANCE; + OIL MAY HIT US$400 A BARREL BY 2018.

Lest we fergit, OSAMA + ISLAMISTS > Ultimately, in the end "THERE CAN ONLY BE TWO" [US-WEST + ISLAMIST CENTRAL ASIA/ASIA], NOT PUTIN's = VLADVEDEV's "MULTIPOLAR" WORLD.

You just know the anti-US Lefties, Marxies, Secularies, Globalies, etal. are gonna be thrilled.

LEST WE FERGIT PART II, WOT > WAR FOR MACKINDER'S WORLD ISLAND = MACKINDER'S WAR, which the NEW WORLD espec CONUS-NORAM is prevailing as OWG FREE TRADE ZONES = SPEC ECON ZONES ARE BETTING NEGOTIATED AND SET UP AT THE FOUR CORNERS OF CONUS-NORAM. Unless something changes, SOUTH AMERICA WILL BEAT OUT THE EURO-ZONE + MEDITERRANEAN UNION FOR SAME.

As for MCCAIN + CHINA > D *** NG IT, THERES A MILYUHN STORIES IN THE NAKED CITY = HANOI HILTON,...... AND DON'T YOU ever Ever EVer EVER E-V-E-R EEEEVVVVVEEEEERRRRR FORGET, D *** YOU, WHAT WE NEVER TOLD YOU!

Posted by JosephMendiola 2008-06-16 22:27|| 2008-06-16 22:27|| Front Page Top

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