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2008-04-29 Home Front: Culture Wars
High Incarceration Rate Of Blacks Is Function Of Crime, Not Racism
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Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2008-04-29 10:28|| || Front Page|| [11125 views ]  Top

#1 The continuing search for the chimera of criminal-justice bigotry is a useless distraction that diverts energy and attention from the crucial imperative of helping more inner-city boys stay in school � and out of trouble.

Unlikely to happen while the education establishment continues to discriminate against and demonize males. Look at the ratio of male to female teachers in the elementary level of education. Using the genderists own arguments, it's massive institutionalized discrimination.
Posted by Procopius2k 2008-04-29 12:45||   2008-04-29 12:45|| Front Page Top

#2 And Crime is a function of their "Black" counter culture that values things like gangstaz and bling more than education and hard work.
Posted by bigjim-ky 2008-04-29 13:12||   2008-04-29 13:12|| Front Page Top

#3 "nly 5,619 crack sellers were tried federally,"

so? I thought the issue was the total incarcerated population, not federal only.
Posted by liberalhawk 2008-04-29 13:28||   2008-04-29 13:28|| Front Page Top

#4 Amazing how many kids grow up in the same conditions and chose not to engage in crime.
Posted by Procopius2k 2008-04-29 13:52||   2008-04-29 13:52|| Front Page Top

#5 already happening out here in WA: sentencing guidelines are being 'revisited' for cocaine as majority of crack cocaine users are black, while whites enjoy the other varieties.......
silly me i thought a crime was a crime, and the scales of justice babe wore that blindfold for a reason.
Posted by USN,Ret. 2008-04-29 15:01||   2008-04-29 15:01|| Front Page Top

#6 Thing is I'm libertarian enough to think let everyone do the drugs they want, but some drugs are more dangerous than others and lead to crimes that influence others. Even if legalized.

They should have tougher laws against crack for exactly that reason. Crime is a huge reason the poor are poor. Crime leads to increased prices at stores, lack of insurance and jobs. A number of other things. And well intentioned but misguided attitudes to help the criminals hurts the blacks in general.

Unfortunately few blacks see it that way so I'm not sure a solution will ever be found.
Posted by rjschwarz 2008-04-29 15:18||   2008-04-29 15:18|| Front Page Top

#7 The majority of crimes in the US are committed by young males 16 – 25 of age. The majority of that demographic come from single-parent households – primarily no father in the house. The Race hustlers will cry systemic racism. The PC liberals will cry classicism. The uncomfortable truth is that crime is tied empirically to Culture.
Posted by DepotGuy 2008-04-29 15:33||   2008-04-29 15:33|| Front Page Top

#8 The solution was found forty years ago It's just that no one wants to accept it or the implications of failing to do so.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2008-04-29 15:35||   2008-04-29 15:35|| Front Page Top

#9 Nimble: That 1964 article states: "Nearly One-Quarter of Negro Births are now Illegitimate."

Sadly that percentage is closer to 75% now. So much for the War on Poverty.

Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2008-04-29 15:51||   2008-04-29 15:51|| Front Page Top

#10 Yup.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2008-04-29 16:07||   2008-04-29 16:07|| Front Page Top

#11 During the early part of Clinton's second term I got into it with a former friend (a committed leftist) who made a similar tired argument about the fact that welfare was primarily used by whites - that a much higher number, as well as a much higher percentage, of whites were likely to be on public assistance.

I dug deep into all the pertinent government sites that had statisics published on the web at the time, and found out that not only were a much higher percentage of blacks on welfare, but that the overall number of blacks was larger than the overall number of whites, or indeed of any ethnic group. Furthermore, this occurred for the first time in history not under the ketchup-is-a-vegetable evil Reagan regime, but during Clinton's.

When presented with this conclusive evidence, well-sourced with links to the government websites and their data, my former friend claimed that none of these sites were real and that I had made it all up. He refused to even check the sites out. It just couldn't be true, and leave him with his philosophy and worldview intact, after all.

You have to understand - so attached are the postmodern left to the "narrative", and so intellectually lazy and unwilling to reassess their world view and its underpinnings, that they will actively deny any experience or fact or information which might cause them to have to alter their view or admit that they were wrong, ever, about anything.

In much the same way, this same former friend (and the overwhelming majority of those whose politics are left of center) was a rabid advocate of the notion that the only reason more blacks were prosecuted for crimes than whites was racism.

While the leftists guilty of this denial claim to be interested in "fairness" and "justice" they really do it because they want to feel like they are superior to us little people and our inconvenient statistics.

Said denial is as damaging as that of the alcoholic who won't admit that there is a problem. The result of this denial is that it prevents solving one of the very real problems that face America today - the damage to the black family.
Posted by no mo uro 2008-04-29 17:31||   2008-04-29 17:31|| Front Page Top

#12 Every closed eye is not sleeping, and every open eye is not seeing.
Bill Cosby A voice in the wilderness.

Jesse "Where's the Camera" Jackson and his ilk want the black population right where they are. Like Tater he derives his power from their misery.
Posted by GolfBravoUSMC 2008-04-29 18:08||   2008-04-29 18:08|| Front Page Top

#13 Moynihan saw it coming in the 60's. Anyone besides me remember "The Coming Black Underclass?" Johnson's "Great Society" programs vastly strengthened the already powerful centrifugal forces affecting the black family. Why should some young black woman wait for marriage and a probably demanding husband when she could get independence--free money and housing RIGHT NOW--just for becoming pregnant?
Lots of them didn't see any reason, so they did.
In economic effect, they married Uncle Sam--or at least his wallet.

The catch, of course, was that the money and housing kept being subsidized only as long as the woman remained unmarried. As Baldilocks once wrote about the prevalence of young black male criminals, "no fathers around means young males out of control."

Since the women didn't need the fathers around, indeed would suffer economically if they were around, the black father became unnecessary for anything other than donating sperm. So now we've had two generations of young blacks where the women have grabbed for the brass ring only to find it was a pair of handcuffs and the men have been reduced to irrelevance or worse. We have welfare families in this nation who have, in three generations, NEVER had anyone hold a real job. Those are the people you saw after Katrina saying "Why isn't the Government here to help me?" Hell, why wouldn't they think that? That's all they, and the vast majority of people they know or associate with, have ever known--waiting for Government help.

Johnson did not intend to destroy the black family, but in effect he did by creating conditions where it was economically advantageous for it to dissolve or simply never form at all. Politicians of every stripe have since continued the same destructive courses.

The cycle can be broken; we could start by making Norplant mandatory for female welfare recipients. It would take guts to do that though, and in our present system there is not sufficient political will to force such a change. Until we break this cycle of welfare mothers, absent fathers, undisciplined children and societal accommodation of the above, we'll continue to have blacks fill our jails in numbers far exceeding their proportion of the society.

I'm not holding my breath. Meanwhile, black criminality will continue to alienate everyone else and give an unspoken, but very real, boost to anti-black racism. The defense/justification/excuse of that criminality by race hustlers like Jackson, Sharpton and Wright will simply increase the effect. Witness the visceral response by non-blacks to the Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom atrocity as a case in point.

I see lots of parallels between this problem and the problem with Muslims in Europe. Neither is likely to end well.


Posted by Thaimble Scourge of the Pixies4707 2008-04-29 18:17||   2008-04-29 18:17|| Front Page Top

#14 Thaimble's onto something.

I forget who first said it but the old Western model of family was husband, wife, and children, whereas the new postmodern socialist model is state, woman, and child.

This model obviates the need to make the choice that women had to make throughout the ages, which was between 1) dangerous but exciting men who gave them immediate gratification but wouldn't help much in raising progeny and b)boring but reliable men who were way less thrilling but would do the decent thing and stick around to support wife and kids.

Nowadays, at minimum a plurality of women have gamed the new way and can have the excitement (from the no-good but exciting guys), and still get the material support (from the apparatus of state, or the divorce laws), and so have jettisoned the decent but unexciting male utterly. This is the genesis of the saying "chicks dig jerks" (female 'burgers excluded, of course).
Posted by no mo uro 2008-04-29 18:47||   2008-04-29 18:47|| Front Page Top

#15 chicks dig jerks?

how have I not capitalized??
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2008-04-29 19:19||   2008-04-29 19:19|| Front Page Top

#16 how have I not capitalized??

'cause way deep down Frank you are a such a nice marshmallow!

>>>>:> /ut oh!
Posted by RD">RD  2008-04-29 19:45||   2008-04-29 19:45|| Front Page Top

#17 Perhaps the question contains the answer:)?
Posted by no mo uro 2008-04-29 19:45||   2008-04-29 19:45|| Front Page Top

#18 damn...
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2008-04-29 19:49||   2008-04-29 19:49|| Front Page Top

#19 Frank you're an RB Rock! Indispensable one too! >;)
Posted by RD">RD  2008-04-29 20:09||   2008-04-29 20:09|| Front Page Top

#20 ;-) thx, but nobody's indispensable. I thought that was so, but before Lucky and Paco/.com left us....

we are the poorer for their absence, but RB marches on!
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2008-04-29 20:44||   2008-04-29 20:44|| Front Page Top

#21 In the big pic, I contribute: $ for Fred, snark and occasional article posts. Indispensable... I think not. RB is, however my firstest, bestest because of the content and comment. Chewtoys are a plus, when they amuse or intrigue based on complexity. Lately? No, smn doesn't. We rarely (except LH) get someone that intellectually challenges on an honest level. I like when they do
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2008-04-29 21:32||   2008-04-29 21:32|| Front Page Top

#22 NS, from your link:

The very essence of the male animal, from the bantam rooster to the four star general, is to strut.

At that point, I'm afraid I stopped reading.
Posted by KBK 2008-04-29 21:35||   2008-04-29 21:35|| Front Page Top

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