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2008-03-15 Fifth Column

North American Union Meeting... - ARGHHHHH!

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Posted by 3dc 2008-03-15 10:46|| || Front Page|| [11129 views ] Top

#1 An economic union of the countries of North America would be a good thing. We would be by FAR the largest oil producing economic unit on the planet.

For that and a few billion other reasons I would 100% COMPLETELY support a complete economic union of Canada, US, and Mexico. Moving goods from Mexico to Canada should be like moving goods from Texas to California.

Posted by crosspatch 2008-03-15 12:55|| 2008-03-15 12:55|| Front Page Top

#2 It is amazing more people cannot see it this way.

Posted by newc">newc 2008-03-15 13:02|| 2008-03-15 13:02|| Front Page Top

#3 crosspatch, And how about all the attendant problems with that philosophy, massive migration of the Mexican populace north into the USA, massive migration of foreign alien populace from Canada to the USA, the attendant reduction in economic income per capita for citizens of the USA, the opening up of our institutions to attack by foreign powers and terrorists in those migrating populaces, the complete loss of control over who is living in this country and for what reason, and the destruction of our economy by the massive outflow of goods, services, and money from the USA to Mexico and Canada?

That's just a few of the reasons why this is a bad idea that I can think of.

It puts the USA in a position of being Rome with the barbarians streaming across the borders and no legions to stop them. It is a formula for the destruction of the American way of life and the country of the United States and the absorption of our country and citizens into the populations of foreign powers by domination, not assimilation.

Posted by FOTSGreg">FOTSGreg 2008-03-15 13:03|| 2008-03-15 13:03|| Front Page Top

#4 For that and a few billion other reasons I would 100% COMPLETELY support a complete economic union of Canada, US, and Mexico.

So Mexico and Canada, in parts or in whole, will agree to Commonwealth status like Puerto Rico?

Posted by Procopius2k 2008-03-15 13:29|| 2008-03-15 13:29|| Front Page Top

#5 Put it to a vote of the people and see how far it will get...

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2008-03-15 13:54|| 2008-03-15 13:54|| Front Page Top

#6 Free trade is a good thing. But this is the "camel's nose" thingy. It's not just economic, but political. Oh, and what's that old piece of paper lying in the wastebasket? Why, I do believe it's the U.S. Constitution.

The tranzi's are relentless. They must be relentlessly opposed.

Posted by PBMcL 2008-03-15 14:03|| 2008-03-15 14:03|| Front Page Top

#7 Cross what you and other morons overlook is that Mexico is not capable of being treated like an equal partner. It has restrictions on foreign ownership of businesses, corruption running rampant in the police and government at the local state an national levels, and has many state-run industries.

Basically, Mexico is a third world nation, and integrating it would only drag down the US standard of living and economy. Look at the German economy when they reunited the second-world eat to a productive West. Mexico would be far worse.

Restrictions are reasonable and prudent until Mexico gets its act together. And that includes the border fence and strict enforcement of current laws against illegal immigration.

The only way to truly open the borders woudl be to require Canada and Mexico to agree to rule under the US Constitution, submission ot the US Federal Government, and a transitional phase of a couple of decades before they are fully accepted.

If you can get Mexico to kneel and obey, then it might work.

Posted by OldSpook 2008-03-15 14:28|| 2008-03-15 14:28|| Front Page Top

#8 Mexico could never be incorporated into the United States absent conquest or a violent revolution that overthrew its semi-feudal aristocracy. Incorporating Mexico without an overthrow or, preferably, conquest would yield results worse than pre-Jindal Louisiana. Mexico, unlike Canada, is inherently inimical to the American way of doing business.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2008-03-15 15:04|| 2008-03-15 15:04|| Front Page Top

#9 I used to think this was a good idea, but these are 3 different ways of doing business. Trade and understanding, sure. Incorporation based on the ideas of a hand picked small committee, ludicrus. The EU is a farce and will lead to another pininsular war IMHO.

I can't travel 200 miles without finding completely different ways of life and they want to absorb whole countries with the wave of a pen it just does not work. Then the question is begged 'why stop at Mexico, might as well go into Panama'. The only thing Mexico has to offer is labor and tequila. Canada has its own destiny. If they want to suceed from their own union and make an applicaton to become a state then that is their own choice and as far as I have noticed they have not chosen to do so.

Posted by swksvolFF 2008-03-15 15:29|| 2008-03-15 15:29|| Front Page Top

#10 Well, OldSpook, I am not going to resort to name calling but I would say that correcting some of those issues would go unsaid as a requirement before an economic (not political) union could take place. Some of those other issues either don't need to be addressed or are simply figments of people's imaginations.

Such a union would probably stop Northward migration from Mexico dead it its tracks and probably reverse it. But before we can do that we need to get rid of the crime cartels down there and before THAT can happen, there needs to be some serious reform of their legal system (which is already underway, actually).

It is going to take at least 20 more years to get Mexico's legal system in line enough with Canada and the US to make that happen but when it does, it turns the US into as huge an economic powerhouse as China is.

What many people fail to understand is that unless we do something like this, we are going to quickly be insignificant on the global scene. As China modernizes and as India develops, their economies are going to so literally swamp ours that we aren't going to amount to a pinch of bat scat and most people in this country aren't used to that idea.

We just aren't really going to matter all that much once China and India become their own largest customers. And that is no matter who is President.

Posted by crosspatch 2008-03-15 16:09|| 2008-03-15 16:09|| Front Page Top

#11 As China modernizes and as India develops, their economies are going to so literally swamp ours that we aren't going to amount to a pinch of bat scat and most people in this country aren't used to that idea.

I heard basically the same thing about the former Soviet Union in the 70s. China and India have their own internal problems and issues in effectively applying all that 'potential'. I for one don't see it except in the fears it instills in others.

Posted by Procopius2k 2008-03-15 16:25|| 2008-03-15 16:25|| Front Page Top

#12 The tranzi's are relentless. They must be relentlessly opposed.

thank you PBMcL and Old Spook, swksvolFF, Nimble Spemble, Anguper Hupomosing9418, FOTSGreg,

To the poor weak minded souls who are for this fucking suicide union for my country the USA:

Meet The The Regulators:
Politicians [Ted Kennedy, John Conyers etc] and the unelected Judges, unelected Government bureaucrats in the unelected State Department, unelected Commerce Dept, unelected Justice Dept., etc. all the usual suspects.

If you loved the State Department's history of back stabbing American Small & Medium business Visa Vi China, Japan, Europe, etc. then you'll love them as UNELECTED REGULATORS in the North American Union.

And the torn up families and cities who were promised to be winners in the other "treatries"

WAKE UP: Here's a sample of the regulator history:

2/3-3/4 of Californian American citizens have been against illegal immigration by state wide vote and poles [25 + years]. Country wide the percentage is higher.

Yet your beloved politicians and bureaucrats [regulators] haven't done squat except to make the matter worse over the decades with ever more attracting entitlements, that draw ever more illegal immigrants.

Apparently you ~~village idiots~~ love giving the USA's scarce money to Illegal Immigrants instead of:

American Veterans who earned them by serving AND paying into the system for a life time. many are permanently disabled and need tons of care.

American Citizens who payed into the system for a life time. many are permanently disabled and need tons of care.

Schools, Health care, Prison costs, Court Costs etc.

Have any of you PRO North American Union people even visited a Veterans Hospital? and seen how busy they are with new veterans and old vets alike receiving care? Recently? Or have helped out at all etc?

THEY NEED MORE FUNDS NOT LESS.

BTW: once a "treaty" or a North American Union is enacted there are NO PROVISIONS to dump it and return our US sovereignty [short of a Civil War] if it is ruinous.

Posted by RD">RD 2008-03-15 17:25|| 2008-03-15 17:25|| Front Page Top

#13 and thank you Procopius2k. ~;)

Posted by RD">RD 2008-03-15 17:34|| 2008-03-15 17:34|| Front Page Top

#14 The arguments for the "North American Union" remind me of some politicians promise of "change". /s

Lots of promise that all will work out, trust me. (there have been a lot of pregnant teenagers that heard that too!)

Posted by tipover 2008-03-15 21:00|| 2008-03-15 21:00|| Front Page Top

#15 Never have understood why people seem so anxious to give away what make America special.

No to Mexamericanada.

Posted by SR-71 2008-03-15 21:03|| 2008-03-15 21:03|| Front Page Top

#16 1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year.

2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.

3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.

4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!

5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.

6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.

7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.

8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.

9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.

10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate thats two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth., heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report

12. The National Policy Institute, estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.

13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances back to their countries of origin.

14. The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States .

The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR!!!

Posted by OldSpook 2008-03-15 22:05|| 2008-03-15 22:05|| Front Page Top

#17 1. BUILD THE FENCE!

2. Fine or jail those who knowingly employ illegals.

3. Tax remittances at a 90% rate.

Posted by OldSpook 2008-03-15 22:08|| 2008-03-15 22:08|| Front Page Top

#18 OldSpook - you got my vote.

Posted by 3dc 2008-03-15 22:14|| 2008-03-15 22:14|| Front Page Top

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