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2008-03-10 Science & Technology

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Posted by g(r)omgoru 2008-03-10 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11128 views ] Top

#1 NASA's Hansen and the frauds that have co-opted him will be held in the same regard as the "scientists" that supported Piltdown Man some day in the not distant future.

Posted by anymouse">anymouse 2008-03-10 01:23|| 2008-03-10 01:23|| Front Page Top

#2 Jeebus - since 1922. APPARENTLY THE HOLLYWOOD WRITERS STRIKE, where highly educated andor experienced Producers, Directors, etc, SEEMINGLY FORGOT HOW TO WRITE SCRIPTS/PLOTS, EXTENDS TO SCIENCE???

They should had just stuck wid the hidden or covert premises of GLOBAL/PLANETARY WARMING, i.e. THAT THE SUN IS WEAKENING OR IN ALTERN BOTH GOVT-SCIENCE PERTS DON'T KNOW OR DON'T TRUST PREVAILING SOLAR MODELS-THEORIES AS TO STABILITY OR VARIABILITY.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2008-03-10 01:30|| 2008-03-10 01:30|| Front Page Top

#3 OTOH, REDDIT SCIENCE > first was the ARCTIC SEEDS VAULT, now cometh the LUNAR ARK, in case Earth and Human Civilization gets wiped out by ASTEROID, NUCLEAR WAR, or now WR104.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2008-03-10 01:43|| 2008-03-10 01:43|| Front Page Top

#4 Global Warming
Grade school & High school teachers all across America are still pushing the hell out of this absolute drivel. Gore-Bots

Posted by RD">RD 2008-03-10 02:05|| 2008-03-10 02:05|| Front Page Top

#5 Assume an infinitely thick atmosphere?! Wouldn't that give an infinitely large amount of greenhouse gases?

And, in reality, wouldn't a warmer atmosphere expand, increasing its surface area and thus radiate more heat?

Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford 2008-03-10 05:52|| 2008-03-10 05:52|| Front Page Top

#6 I heard this morning that the Southern Baptists have come out saying we must fight global warming, and that they have been way too slow to recognize it as our religious duty to do so.

Posted by Menhadden Snogum6713 2008-03-10 07:35|| 2008-03-10 07:35|| Front Page Top

#7 Grade school & High school teachers all across America are still pushing the hell out of this absolute drivel. Gore-Bots

"When I think back
On all the crap I learned in high school
Its a wonder
I can think at all
And though my lack of edu---cation
Hasnt hurt me none
I can read the writing on the wall"
Kodachrome - Paul Simon

Posted by Procopius2k 2008-03-10 08:47|| 2008-03-10 08:47|| Front Page Top

#8 #4 Global Warming
Grade school & High school teachers all across America are still pushing the hell out of this absolute drivel. Gore-Bots

Our local school requires all 6th graders to have a 'global warming' project for %25 of their grade.
item 1 of the grading rubric states that the project MUST show that global warming is real and man made.

And that is why we home school... (well one reason)

Posted by Abu do you love 2008-03-10 11:39|| 2008-03-10 11:39|| Front Page Top

#9 Just send your kids here

Enough real scientific data to choke a liberal with.

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2008-03-10 12:09|| 2008-03-10 12:09|| Front Page Top

#10

item 1 of the grading rubric states that the project MUST show that global warming is real and man made.

"So, Mr. Grundy, this is an exercise in indoctrination, not research."

Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford 2008-03-10 12:11|| 2008-03-10 12:11|| Front Page Top

#11 Before we go nuts here please remember that the venusian atmosphere did undergo a runaway greenhouse. It has a surface temp higher than Mercury.

Of course the Venusian atmosphere is about 100x thicker than Earth's and is over 90% CO2. On the other hand the planet has the highest reflectivity in the solar system (about 60%) vs about 10% for Mercury and about 40% for earth.

Posted by mhw 2008-03-10 12:17|| 2008-03-10 12:17|| Front Page Top

#12 Just send your kids here

Enough real scientific data to choke a liberal with.

Two of my kids are dealing with this AGW religious indoctrination at their schools, which I do my best to counter at home. But it's so much easier for them to just be quiet or parrot the dogma than to research and argue the facts and deal with the sh*tstorm that would result from their heresy.

Posted by Elmutle Scourge of the Leprechauns2673 2008-03-10 13:12|| 2008-03-10 13:12|| Front Page Top

#13 Oops, lost my cookies - Elmutle Scourge of the Leprechauns2673 was I. But I like the new name better.

Posted by xbalanke 2008-03-10 13:13|| 2008-03-10 13:13|| Front Page Top

#14 Regardless, if we don't shift transportation to electric cars we won't have any money left.

Posted by Penguin 2008-03-10 13:30|| 2008-03-10 13:30|| Front Page Top

#15 I love the Junk Science website, Darth Vader. For some reason I'd bookmarked it twice for my hoaxes & urban legends file.

Posted by trailing wife ">trailing wife 2008-03-10 14:05|| 2008-03-10 14:05|| Front Page Top

#16 mhw, you are assuming that Venus had a runaway greenhouse effect.

Have you onsidered a posibility that Venus is young and did not have time to cool down? (Another posibility is that Venus had an close encounter with another body and things got more than warm between them. In fact, historical records suggest both young age and at least a couple of close encounters).

There is an ample evidence that this may be the case.

1. Before ~ 2500 BCE, there was not any record of Venus, anywhere, zip. The records started to be more frequent ~ 1700 BCE, refring to Venus as "comet" (in many languges, Venus is still called "hairy one" or "bearded one", although from its appearance today, you wouldn't know why). Venus gained prominence amongs the heavenly bodies at about 1450 BCE. Considered at hat time the most important comet/planet/body. Was also called a "small sun", shining brilliantly during the day. Since then, its brightness diminished substantially. Seems that at one time Venus was smoking hot. BTW, a side note... it is a consensus amongst many biblical sholars now that Lucifer does not refer to an entity called Satan, but to the planet Venus. The wrong association was due to mis-translating some passages that mentioned Venus, and it is obvious from the original Hebrew text what is refered to there.

2. The surface temperature is greater than the temperature of the atmosphere. The temperature gradient is not going inward, but outward. Venus is radiating heat, rather than its atmosphere that just dissipates the heat into outer space.

Posted by twobyfour 2008-03-10 14:22|| 2008-03-10 14:22|| Front Page Top

#17 Venus has craters that seem to be hundreds of millions of years old based on reasonable estimates of the rate of erosion and the rate of crater formation. This goes against the 'young planet' hypothesis.

Because it has a magnetic field, it presumably has a metal core and heat comes from the core and gets to the surface which is in an equilibrium with heat absorbed from backradiation of the atmosphere plus heat received from conduction equaling heat given up by radiation from the surface (although this is complicated by the fact that it is at different wavelengths and several other things).

The reason to believe that Venus has a runaway greenhouse going is because, using reasonable estimates of the radiation budget of various layers of the atmosphere the math works out and produces an answer that corresponds with measurements.

Posted by mhw 2008-03-10 17:14|| 2008-03-10 17:14|| Front Page Top

#18 Don't forget there is evidence of Venus getting smacked with a large body in the past. The hit would produce heat and if the atmospheres of the bodies was still in place, the heat would have no place to go. Also a hit in the right spot would cause the retrograde rotation Venus has.

About 10 million years later, according to Alemi and Stevenson, another impact reversed the planet's spin direction. The reversed spin direction caused the Venusian moon to gradually spiral inward until it collided and merged with Venus. If later impacts created moons, those moons also were absorbed the same way the first one was. The Alemi/Stevenson study is recent, and it remains to be seen what sort of acceptance it will achieve in the scientific community.

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2008-03-10 17:53|| 2008-03-10 17:53|| Front Page Top

#19 Long ago, Venus was inhabited by a beings who were somewhat "intelligent" but very shortsighted. They burned too many hydrocarbons and started a runaway global warming cycle that left Venus in the condition it is today. They had a leader named Al who had a vision of what was happening and tried to warn everyone else what was coming. He had a few followers who were mesmerized by the motion his arms made, but for the most part people got a kick out of how fire would erupt from his mouth when he got upset, so they took to teasing him often. Feeling sidelined, he and his followers built spaceships and headed off to colonize the third planet from the sun a few years before everyone else would follow in the hopes that they would be able to claim all the prime real estate. Some landed in the Ozarks, some landed in SE Asia, and it's not certain but it is believed that Al himself and his closest followers landed somewhere near what is present day Washington, D.C.. The folks in the Ozarks got depressed because their leader was gone and developed a medicine called Moonshine that made them happier, but also made them do stuff that to this day they still refuse to talk about. If they are one of the lucky ones who can communicate effectively with the outside world. Those that landed in SE Asia were pretty upset, but rather than turn inwards they built great monuments to their absent spiritual leader in the form of larger and larger pyramids and other inspirational forms. They would climb to the top of them from time to time and hope to see where his spaceship landed or perhaps to see him wandering around in the desert looking for them, but alas it was all in vain. Al's descendants are still believed to be living amongst the population where he landed, but nobody can be sure since he and his followers never kept records. There is also a rumor that Al and some of his followers landed in what is now called India, and that the god Shiva is modeled after them.

Posted by gorb 2008-03-10 18:47|| 2008-03-10 18:47|| Front Page Top

#20 Along the line of the arctic seed vault, and possible moon "Reservoir" has the moon been thoroughly searched for any evidence of prior visits? (No I'm NOT positing UFOs and Aliens, but possible past civilizations erased by time and geological activity,) we only have reliable "History" around 5000 years (Or so) but humanity has been proven to be millions, if not billions of years old, figure that 99.999% of past history simply doesn't exist.

Posted by Redneck Jim">Redneck Jim 2008-03-10 19:03|| 2008-03-10 19:03|| Front Page Top

#21 Compare wid RENSE.com > WHY THE WESTERN WORLD NEEDS ARMAGEDDON!? IIRC, to cure the World of the perennial headaches + "split personality" disunities, etc. wrought upon mankind and civilization by God-Religion, the world needs to actually go through the latter's proclaimed "end-times" phases in order to finally cure itself from same???

Posted by JosephMendiola 2008-03-10 20:06|| 2008-03-10 20:06|| Front Page Top

#22 After spending most of the weekend shoveling snow, I say - Global Warming? BRING IT ON!

Posted by DMFD 2008-03-10 21:29|| 2008-03-10 21:29|| Front Page Top

#23 REUTERS/ALERTNET.org > MINORITIES ARE HARDEST HIT BY CLIMATE CHANGE. Often at the bottom of the AID LISTS.

NOT BY GOD, though, although on surface it may appear to be. GREAT CHANGES IN WORLD-HUMAN-HISTORY > TYPICALLY WERE NOT VIA THE HANDS OF THE EDSTABLISHED MAJORITY = THOSE IN PREVAILING/CURRENT POWER, BUT THE LESSOR, THE WEAK, OR THE SUBORDINATE.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2008-03-10 21:40|| 2008-03-10 21:40|| Front Page Top

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