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2008-02-24 Iraq

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Posted by Bobby 2008-02-24 08:37|| || Front Page|| [10326 views ] Top

#1 i and o are sooo close together on the keyboard...

I would appreciate it if someone could correct my spelling in the title.

Posted by Bobby 2008-02-24 08:46|| 2008-02-24 08:46|| Front Page Top

#2 Yes people with vaginas can fly, fight, and die like anyone esle. The Marine in the story should be lauded for what she does and not because of her gender. The article should exemplify the point that the Military ie way ahead of public (and MSM) in their thinking. I just wonder if she still calls in the "Cockpit"?

Posted by Cyber Sarge 2008-02-24 09:15|| 2008-02-24 09:15|| Front Page Top

#3 Fixed it, Bobby.

Agreed, CS. And I'm pretty sure the Marine pilot mentioned here would second that heartily. The female Army pilots I know get pretty tired of having the press & others focus on their gender rather than the Air Assault and Senior Aviator badges they've earned or their deployments in places like Iraq and Afghanistan.

Posted by lotp 2008-02-24 09:26|| 2008-02-24 09:26|| Front Page Top

#4 I thought the Cobra was obsolete?

And the Post dwells on her sex and conflict instead of, you know, her achievements and the fact that she's a competent pilot. Typical journalists.

Posted by gromky 2008-02-24 09:37|| 2008-02-24 09:37|| Front Page Top

#5 Marines have been upgrading their Cobras'.

Posted by lotp 2008-02-24 09:43|| 2008-02-24 09:43|| Front Page Top

#6 Anyone who is flying a US combat helicopter is going to be a lethal individual, I don't care what sex.

When push comes to shove, they wreak an impressive amount of destruction with those birds, yet realize that it is an expendable item, and treat it accordingly.

One Vietnam pilot was known for repeatedly using damaged helicopters in Kamikaze attacks against critical targets, then walking home.

As a rule of thumb, do not EVER fly in a military helicopter piloted by someone nicknamed "Tex", if you value your lunch. Such pilots routinely prove that both loop-de-loops and zero gravity are not beyond the capability of their aircraft. Perhaps their passengers, but not their aircraft.

And yes, you are hearing them hum "The Flight of the Valkyries" over the intercom.

Posted by Anonymoose 2008-02-24 09:46|| 2008-02-24 09:46|| Front Page Top

#7 Thanks liotp, oops, lotp. From the bottom of page 4 at the link I came across some interesting tripe: So, from the military's perspective, it seems to make little difference who kills the enemy, male or female. But does it make a difference to society?

"We see our female soldiers with helmets and gear, and we're very proud of them. But the social costs are high," argues Elaine Donnelly, head of the independent Center for Military Readiness, which focuses on military personnel policy issues. "If we as a nation say it's okay to expose women to direct combat violence, it's a cultural shift, and not in the right direction."

On this issue, Donnelly is allied both with conservatives such as political activist Phyllis Schlafly on the far right and radical feminists on the far left. According to Mady Segal, the military sociologist, radical feminists contend that the many changes in gender roles since the '60s have been mostly one-way: Women have become more like traditional, aggressive men, but men haven't become much more nurturing. "The radical feminist view," says Segal, "is that women shouldn't be in the military, that we need to preserve some portion of humanity who don't become takers of life."

Before all those changes in the '60s, a woman's biological role as a mother generally kept her off the killing fields. In her book, Women in the Line of Fire, feminist military affairs writer Erin Solaro summarizes the historical research this way: "Women who, because of their sex, risked their lives and health bearing children should not also have to bear the burden of defending those children when men were available."

So the left got what it wanted, but now discovers it didn't want what it got. The author is a female, of course. Life's a beech, and then you die!

Posted by Bobby 2008-02-24 12:30|| 2008-02-24 12:30|| Front Page Top

#8 Not quite, Bobby.

The left doesn't want ANYONE to be military. On account of All You Need is Love and the UN will bring world peas.

Posted by lotp 2008-02-24 12:35|| 2008-02-24 12:35|| Front Page Top

#9 Anyone who would miss an opportunity to listen to, question and Thank a vet fresh from combat is an undiscerning dolt.

Posted by RD">RD 2008-02-24 15:09|| 2008-02-24 15:09|| Front Page Top

#10 Clarification: They got equality, like they wanted, but not where they wanted it. Equality of the sexes, like equality of the races, came first in the military.

Posted by Bobby 2008-02-24 15:34|| 2008-02-24 15:34|| Front Page Top

#11 Bobby, yesterday I saw an article on the Fox News website lamenting the fact that many women soldiers were "rushed back to the front" only four months after giving birth, and how awful it was that they might miss their baby's first year.
My reaction was "Tough noogies". Military fathers often aren't even present at their baby's birth (obviously the mother has to be there). And they miss the first year and then some. War is hell.
Feminists wanted to share in the military glory. Unfortunately, to do that they have to share in the misery.

Posted by Rambler in California">Rambler in California 2008-02-24 18:37|| 2008-02-24 18:37|| Front Page Top

#12 I vehemently disagree that men have not become more nurturing. All the husbands I know have changed diapers, calmed screaming babies (often better than their wives because they are bigger and therefore radiate more heat, have somehow more appealing heartbeats, and have lower voices that feel calmer when rumbling through a large, male chest -- yes, it was extremely frustrating to spend ages trying to get the baby to sleep only to have her fall asleep after Mr. Wife held her for a few minutes!!), read books to a child, etc. and so forth. Any radical feminist who isn't aware of this simply isn't paying attention to the real world around her.

Posted by trailing wife ">trailing wife 2008-02-24 18:56|| 2008-02-24 18:56|| Front Page Top

#13 "and the UN will bring ~~world~~ whirled peas"

There - fixed that for ya', #8 lotp. Bringing something entirely irrelevant to the table is what the Useless Nitwits do best.

"Any radical feminist who isn't aware of this simply isn't paying attention to the real world around her."

That would be all of them, #12 tw. Their ~~fantasy~~ world revolves entirely around themselves, not the real one the rest of us live in.

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2008-02-24 19:06|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/] 2008-02-24 19:06|| Front Page Top

#14 ..yesterday I saw an article on the Fox News website lamenting the fact that many women soldiers were "rushed back to the front" only four months after giving birth, and how awful it was that they might miss their baby's first year.
My reaction was "Tough noogies".

It's a free choice on their part.

AR 635-200 Active Duty Enlisted Separations.

CHAPTER 8: SEPARATION OF ENLISTED WOMEN â PREGNANCY

Like Chapter 6, this chapter is a unit function (S1) and not handled by the Military Justice Section. This chapter establishes policy and procedures, and provides authority for voluntary separation of enlisted women because of pregnancy.

1-18 Counseling Required: No (1-18a) but immediate commanders will ensure that the soldier completes the Pregnancy Counseling Checklist (Fig. 8-1, AR 635-200).

Rehab Transfer Required: No (1-18c)

Medical Required: Yes (1-34a)

Mental Required: No (1-34b)

Approval Authority: Bn Cdr (1-21d)

Type of Discharge Authorized: honorable, general* (8-3)

Procedure: Notification (2-2)

* Under chapter 8, no soldier can be awarded a general under honorable conditions discharge unless the soldier is notified of the specific factors in his or her service record that warrant such a characterization.

Remarks: An enlisted woman who is pregnant and elects to remain on active duty when counseled may, if she is still pregnant, subsequently request separation. Separation authority (Bn Cdr) must separate the soldier, but may set the separation date (8-8g).

NOTE: An enlisted woman who requested separation in writing may subsequently request withdrawal of the separation request. The separation authority (Bn Cdr), based on the circumstances of the case and the best interest of the Army, will determine in writing if the soldier is to be separated, as previously requested, or is to be retained (8-8h).

Posted by Procopius2k 2008-02-24 19:58|| 2008-02-24 19:58|| Front Page Top

#15 Dang, Barbara beat me to my own comment.

Yes, TW, I'd normally agree with you, excepting that the radical feminists do NOT live in the REAL world. In fact, many parts of me tell me that men in this nation have become a LOT more "female" than vice-versa due to the feminazis. Could your generation ever imagine terms like "metrosexual", a show like "Queer eye for the Straight guy," or men sipping $4/cup lattes? Methinks men have become almost too feminine in this nation....

Now, there are still PLENTY of exceptions to this rule, but they are mostly outside the urban/even suburban corridors for the most part.

Posted by BA 2008-02-24 20:06|| 2008-02-24 20:06|| Front Page Top

#16 Contrary to all that's been written or said, we've had women fighting to defend what's theirs since before we became a nation. There were women, such as Sybil Luddington, who were spies, couriers, and occasionally, even riflemen, in defense of freedom. Today they're Cobra pilots.

In unconventional warfare, there is no FEBA, no "rear" - it's all vulnerable to attack. Every person in the military, then, should be trained to respond, regardless of their rank, position, or branch of service. The only exceptions should be those who are traditionally excepted - medical personnel, Chaplains, and their assistants. I'm not sure about the assistants, but we'll cut 'em some slack for now.

When bullets are coming in your direction, it's nice to be able to send some back now and then. Doing so accurately is a plus that anyone in uniform should ascribe to.

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2008-02-24 20:49|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2008-02-24 20:49|| Front Page Top

#17 Could your generation ever imagine terms like "metrosexual", a show like "Queer eye for the Straight guy," or men sipping $4/cup lattes?

There have always been men like that, BA. Historically gentlemen encouraged their wives in such friendships, then got upset if the results weren't quite what they expected. The Baby Boomers didn't invent sex, either, my dear. ;-)

Posted by trailing wife ">trailing wife 2008-02-24 22:42|| 2008-02-24 22:42|| Front Page Top

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