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Posted by g(r)omgoru 2008-02-06 05:16|| || Front Page|| [11132 views ]  Top

#1 If I have too, I'll vote for McCain over the democrat. I've tried being petulant and withholding my vote (I didn't like Bushdad or Dole). Many did the same. We ended up with the Clintons for 8 years.

Never again.
I'll hold my nose and vote McCain if I have too.
I won't be happy about it but ANYONE is better than the clintoons.
Posted by Shusons Bucket2256 2008-02-06 07:57||   2008-02-06 07:57|| Front Page Top

#2 I'll hold my nose and vote for any Trunk over any Ass, but McCain will get neither my money nor my help. Let his Mex friends do it. They should do something for the amnesty he's going to give them anyway.

The next four years are going to be awfully ugly.
Posted by Jomosing Bluetooth8431 2008-02-06 08:11||   2008-02-06 08:11|| Front Page Top

#3 The author of "Mexifornia" wills himself to believe that McCain's "new views"? He'll regret it.
Posted by JSU 2008-02-06 08:21||   2008-02-06 08:21|| Front Page Top

#4 Notwithstanding McCain (or anything in Congress), a number of States have passed laws making things more difficult for illegal immigrants.

These include augmented requirements for drivers license renewal, reregistration for welfare payments, etc. There is anecdotal evidence that in these States illegal immigrants are self deporting themselves.

Thus McCain's ideas on this may be less important than thought earlier.

Posted by mhw">mhw  2008-02-06 09:22|| http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/]">[http://hypocrisy-incorporated.blogspot.com/]  2008-02-06 09:22|| Front Page Top

#5 It is either a socialized America overrun with illegals and us getting hit with terrorist attacks, or a socialized America overrun with illegals and us not getting hit with terrorist attacks.

Gee... what a fucking choice.
Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader  2008-02-06 10:02||   2008-02-06 10:02|| Front Page Top

#6 It will be McCain Huckabee. McCain Romney might work if they can sell Romney as the Business Improvement guy.

On the other side it is going to be Obama Richardson. They need Richardson to get the Latinos out my way and as a bone to those of us who consider experience an issue. Will Richardson accept? He didn't in 2004.
Posted by Penguin 2008-02-06 10:04||   2008-02-06 10:04|| Front Page Top

#7 The reason I posted this one because I remembered what happened after Bibi antagonized the national camp by signing the Wye accords. You should look it up.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2008-02-06 10:38||   2008-02-06 10:38|| Front Page Top

#8 The reason I posted this one because I remembered what happened after Bibi antagonized the national camp by signing the Wye accords. You should look it up.
Posted by g(r)omgoru 2008-02-06 10:39||   2008-02-06 10:39|| Front Page Top

#9 DISASTER !
Most Republicans, many office holders among us dislike McCain, a bitter, vindictive egomaniac as much as we distrust Hitlery, a bitter, vindictive witch. We owe this travisty to the MSM, the Republican party, and x-leaders like Newt Gingrich.
It's true that McCain has manuvered his way to the top, but I get the final word. I will never vote for him and never vote for Hitlery. I will vote for other offices, and perhaps write in a name that I consider a conservative leader for President. After all, that is what we want, a conservative leader. And I can't help but remember that it was the MSM that destroyed our first choice, George Allen. Please join me. Let's write in George Allen, and maybe we can break the die and cast it in the ocean.
Posted by wxjames 2008-02-06 11:14||   2008-02-06 11:14|| Front Page Top

#10 Romney and Huckabee are also pro-amnesty no matter what they now say on the subject. Romney specifically supported McCain's immigration plan until he decided to right for President.

So it is bad choices all round. What bothers me are the folks supported Romney as if he is any better than McCain on the same issue. McCain has a temper and he has been obnoxious to people who should be his allies. Sort of like France.

But the man WILL pull the trigger which is more than I can say for any candidate left standing. Time to left the Phakestinians and the Persians and the Chinese f*cking think twice.
Posted by Excalibur 2008-02-06 11:19||   2008-02-06 11:19|| Front Page Top

#11 Lets be real, how much damage can really happen in 4 years?

Yes we're still dealing with JImmy Carter's mess three decades on but the Republic stood none-the-less. If we have a Hillary Presidency it very well might be one term (because she's totally unqualified, as is Obama) and then a good 12 years of Conservative Republican governance.
Posted by rjschwarz 2008-02-06 11:44||   2008-02-06 11:44|| Front Page Top

#12 "... or a socialized America overrun with illegals and us not getting hit with terrorist attacks..."

Darth, I don't know about you, but the choice is easy for me.

Al
Posted by Frozen Al 2008-02-06 11:46||   2008-02-06 11:46|| Front Page Top

#13 McCain wants permanent bases in Iraq. So do I, but he needs to clarify the role of field troops. If he would have US troops doing civil policing, then that policy will be a liability. The public appears resolved to the fact that it is up to locals to deal with the 1400 year civil war between Sunnis and Shiites. The US presence needs to be strategic. Let Obama and Hillary seek removal of the Middle East from the US strategic interest sphere. That will ensure their non-electability.
Posted by McZoid 2008-02-06 11:46||   2008-02-06 11:46|| Front Page Top

#14 One would think both sides learned something from the firestorm of anti-illegal alien sentiment expressed when the last shamnesty was proposed.

It seems some folks think we've forgotten.
Posted by Bobby 2008-02-06 12:05||   2008-02-06 12:05|| Front Page Top

#15 Conservatives (of which I include myself) better stop whining into their Count Chocula and reacquaint themselves with what's at stake here. OK, we get it, we aren't going to get a conservative prez in '08. The disaster hasn't happened yet but it's staring us right in the face. rj nails it folks. 30 years out and we're still dealing with the fallout of Carter. And, from all that I see, Obama or Clinton have all the makings of being even worse. Get the trunk in office, and then work to get congress back in the hands of real conservatives.
Posted by Rex Mundi 2008-02-06 12:17||   2008-02-06 12:17|| Front Page Top

#16 "we're still dealing with JImmy Carter's mess three decades on but the Republic stood none-the-less." Do we still have a Republic? Sometimes during stormy nights I hear Daniel Webster thundering, "Neighbor, how stands the Union?"
Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2008-02-06 12:25||   2008-02-06 12:25|| Front Page Top

#17 With McCain as the standard bearer, the blowout will be on a par with what happened to Hoover, or more recently, Goldwater. Does anyone think that McCain can carry those indigo blue Northeastern states (New York, NJ, etc.)in the general election? Anytime that the Democrats and the talking heads on tv start pushing the candidacy of a Republican like McCain, you know that they are just salivating at the prospect of running against him in the general election.
Posted by RWV 2008-02-06 12:31||   2008-02-06 12:31|| Front Page Top

#18 This is definitely a disaster. You will have the choice of voting for one of 2 Democrats. The beliefs of Hillary and McCain are indistinguishable. For republicans, do you sit it out and let the other team win? Or do you vote for the guy that undermines your own team? Nice choice eh. The latter is particularly distasteful to me. If McCain wins we can look at losing more seats in the House and Senate in 2010. So on balance a Hillary win might be the better of two evils. We would have the opportunity shore up the party and unify against Clinton in 2010, gaining seats in Congress. If Obama is the Donk candidate, I will hold my nose and pull the lever for McCain. I'm just not ready for a Hussein to have his finger on the button.
Posted by Intrinsicpilot 2008-02-06 12:41||   2008-02-06 12:41|| Front Page Top

#19 "30 years out and we're still dealing with the fallout of Carter."

You mean 8 years of Reagan?

That's a trade conservatives want.
Posted by JSU 2008-02-06 12:53||   2008-02-06 12:53|| Front Page Top

#20 Let's be honest here. THe next President will be choosing a lot of Supreme Court nominees. If that's important to you than you have to believe McCain and co would do a better job than Hillary or Obama.
Posted by rjschwarz 2008-02-06 12:55||   2008-02-06 12:55|| Front Page Top

#21 "How much damage can they do in four years?"
A lot. If Obama is elected, he will withdraw troops from Iraq, perhaps immediately. It will be almost impossible to re-insert them, no how badly they are needed. If Hillary is elected, she will institute national health care, which will never go away.
Posted by Rambler">Rambler  2008-02-06 12:56||   2008-02-06 12:56|| Front Page Top

#22 So on balance a Hillary win might be the better of two evils.

Prediction: a Dem will will mean a flood of military resignations.
Posted by lotp 2008-02-06 13:10||   2008-02-06 13:10|| Front Page Top

#23 Just a note: Too many good Rantburgers were driven away by the rancorous debate leading up to the last two elections. Let's not do that this time, when we'll need the knowledge and intuition of you all to best understand events and information on the other side of the election.

Thanking you in advance for assuming that those who disagree with you are equally men and women of goodwill.

Yrs most sincerely,
trailing wife
Posted by trailing wife">trailing wife  2008-02-06 13:24||   2008-02-06 13:24|| Front Page Top

#24 BTW, history hasn't been kind to establishment "liberal" republicans. Ford in 76 and Dole in 1996 failed to energize the party core. I believe Hillary will win if she's the nominee. I don't know what to think if Hussein Obama is the guy.
Posted by Intrinsicpilot 2008-02-06 13:25||   2008-02-06 13:25|| Front Page Top

#25 Agreed, TW.
Posted by Intrinsicpilot 2008-02-06 13:27||   2008-02-06 13:27|| Front Page Top

#26 The fallout of Carter would be Iran. I considered Reagan in the 12 years of Conservative government line.

To give Carter credit I believe his inept policies lead to Soviet overconfidence and overexpansion that left them totally unprepared when Reagan arrived. Not that Carter planned this, but it happened none-the-less.
Posted by rjschwarz 2008-02-06 13:32||   2008-02-06 13:32|| Front Page Top

#27 I love it when conservatives become irrational. Here, I'll pull a Coulter on you: I'm a 100% Clinton fan, but if McCain wins the nomination, I'll vote for McCain. Seriously, I wouldn't care who wins: Hillary or McCain. HA HA HA! I love it when a plan comes together.
Posted by Victor Emmanuel Angalet7366 2008-02-06 13:55||   2008-02-06 13:55|| Front Page Top

#28 VEA...irrational? I'd say getting giddy over the prospect of either Hillary or Obama the epitome of irrational. At least on our side o' the isle, we actually had choices. We weren't jockying to see who could pull down the Latino vote, the female vote, the gay vote, etc. our differences are based on policy, not identity. I pulled the lever for Romney...but in the end if you really want to pull the lever for McCain, by all means please do. Better yet, get some friends along.
Posted by Rex Mundi 2008-02-06 14:18||   2008-02-06 14:18|| Front Page Top

#29 
At least on our side o' the isle, we actually had choices. We weren't jockying to see who could pull down the Latino vote, the female vote, the gay vote, etc. our differences are based on policy, not identity.
In previous elections this may have been true, but not this one. This primary season had the evangelical identity candidate vs. the veterans' identity candidate vs. the Mormon identity candidate (who has additional appeal, but leveraged that to his strong showings in the West and caucus states).

This is the most depressing part of the 2008 primaries: now both parties select on identity politics. The one candidate who rejected them (Fred) got nowhere, thanks largely to veterans' and evangalicals' identity voters in South Carolina.
Posted by JSU 2008-02-06 14:31||   2008-02-06 14:31|| Front Page Top

#30 McCain cannot, and will not win. He's been lifted up artificially as a result of vile shenanigans orchestrated by the MSM. McCain did not maneuver himself this far without some serious behind the scenes help by the media.

It is the same sort of manipulation on the part of the MSM that buried Fred. Of course, he didn't have to give them so much help with his announcement games. It is the Media that is going to have to be dealt with first. I don't think it necessary to elaborate. Heat the tar, and bag the feathers.

First the traitors, then the enemy!
Posted by Glomoting Johnson8801 2008-02-06 14:34||   2008-02-06 14:34|| Front Page Top

#31 #27, of COURSE you don't care which candidate wins.

You are posting from Toronto.
Posted by lotp 2008-02-06 14:37||   2008-02-06 14:37|| Front Page Top

#32 lotp....LOL!
Posted by Rex Mundi 2008-02-06 14:51||   2008-02-06 14:51|| Front Page Top

#33 of COURSE you don't care which candidate wins.

:) But that's not true at all.

And btw, given how you've screwed things up in the past few years, it's not only Canadians who are watching your elections intently. But you already knew that.
Posted by Victor Emmanuel Angalet7366 2008-02-06 14:56||   2008-02-06 14:56|| Front Page Top

#34 The story of this election will be one of a loss, not a victory. With this set up as a McCain-Clinton contest, I have no doubt that one or the other of these human disasters will go so non-linear, whether it's McCain losing his temper or Hillary losing control of Bill, before the election that the other will win by default and have virtually no mandate. Let's hope it's Hill who goes haywire.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2008-02-06 15:01||   2008-02-06 15:01|| Front Page Top

#35 I have noticed one thing the last few weeks. Bubba has been conspicuously missing from Hillarys! campaign.
Maybe her idea of "handling him" is sending him down to Tijuana with a couple of rolls of quarters...
Posted by tu3031 2008-02-06 15:06||   2008-02-06 15:06|| Front Page Top

#36 Conservative American patriots are not represented by the candidates of the day. We should attempt to put as many conservatives as possible in the Congress and write in for pres.
By October, the MSM will have the aged McCain at death's door, and the entire vote will be against one or the other. Who do you hate the most, the bitch, the turncoat, or the rookey ?
Oddly, my opposition to Obama is that occupation of the Oval office is not an entry position, and yet that applies to the other 2 as well. These people have never accomplished a thing. They are dirty political infighters who we have allowed to flourish in our midst.
Again I stress that the MSM has screwed us, and we are finished unless we stop with the scattered opinions, and stand together.
If we did have a political party, our party would not allow an insignificant state to decide our candidates. Our party would not allow deal makers to get nominated without disclaimer statements. Our party would survey us and create a 'Contract with America', and run a full slate as a unit dedicated to produce defined results.
No jerks like McCain who promise energy independence, yet vote against drilling in ANWAR. No jerks who reform campaign finance by paving the way for billionair foreigners to give millions to the Commies among us, while we are limited to 5k. No jerks who spent their entire lives in a border state, but support a Commie attempt to reward illegals with voting rights. Speaking of which, I strongly doubt McCain will be re-elected in Arizonia because of his positions on the border fence and illegals.
All this not because we are stupid, but because we are lied to on a daily basis, and we have never made an attempt to retaliate against the MSM. Well, if and when that happens, I'll buy at the bar.
Posted by wxjames 2008-02-06 15:09||   2008-02-06 15:09|| Front Page Top

#37 I think the lesson from the recent Australian election is that the result will be determined by the under 30s who have only known economic prosperity and who pay more attention to what Britney Spears is doing than the Mullahs.

Which unfortunately means the young photogenic Obama is a shoo-in (should he get the nomination).
Posted by phil_b 2008-02-06 15:09||   2008-02-06 15:09|| Front Page Top

#38 james is eager to go postal...and you're worried about islamofascists!
Posted by Victor Emmanuel Angalet7366 2008-02-06 15:15||   2008-02-06 15:15|| Front Page Top

#39 I was 21 when I voted for Jimmy Carter. The most remembered lessons are the ones learned hard.
Posted by tu3031 2008-02-06 15:15||   2008-02-06 15:15|| Front Page Top

#40 Obama took more votes than all the Republicans nation wide!

Clinton took more votes than all the Republicans nation wide!

Think about that for awhile!!

Now Obama had more votes in Illinois than all the Democratic votes in New York State - a much bigger state!

Think about that!

My prediction (not what I want but my prediction)

If it is McCain Clinton - McCain has a chance of winning. (Just that "a chance")

If it is McCain Obama - Obama may take every state in the Union.

So, think about that and try to come up with a working strategy before the convention.
Posted by 3dc 2008-02-06 15:19||   2008-02-06 15:19|| Front Page Top

#41 3dc, do you have the raw numbers for primary votes to date anywhere? As in, how many votes each candidate has gotten (at least from primary states)?
Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2008-02-06 15:22||   2008-02-06 15:22|| Front Page Top

#42 I was looking at them last night on the net. I have not seen today's finals.
Posted by 3dc 2008-02-06 15:27||   2008-02-06 15:27|| Front Page Top

#43 
If it is McCain Clinton - McCain has a chance of winning. (Just that "a chance")

If it is McCain Obama - Obama may take every state in the Union.
Correct, barring something large blowing up.
Posted by JSU 2008-02-06 15:52||   2008-02-06 15:52|| Front Page Top

#44 Don't forget the Motherly Commie Airborne + RUSSIA: NEW MILITARY NUCLEAR DOCTRINE 2008, aka
Russ REAGAN-ESQUE "FLEXIBLE RESPONSE" DOCTR FOR ANTI-NUKE/WMD TERROR.

Unless I'm reading it wrong, their new doctrine's definition of "CONVENTIONAL AGGRESSION" includes any and all WMD = NON-WMD? Terror attacks as INDUCED/SUPPOR BY A FOREIGN POWER(S) ANDOR ORIGINATING FROM ANY SOVER FOREIGN SOIL. IMO, in theory any high-profile or major Terr attack(s) launched agz Russia-Allied from sovereign foreign territory, wid or widout the knowledge or consent of any local Govt, MAY BE MET WID AN OVERWHELMING/SUBSTAN, OVERT OR COVERT, RUSS-SPECIFIC NUCLEAR RESPONSE, AND NOT ONLY A TACNUKE RESPONSE EITHER.

WARNED ABOUT THIS ON THE NET YEARS AGO BACK IN THE 1990's + AGAIN POST 9-11- LOOKS LIKE PUTIN FOR ONE HAS FINALLY GONE AND DONE IT!
So iff Russia is de facto attacked by an Islamist cell or network based = mostly based in CONUS-NORAM, technically Russ reserves its right to unilaterally attack and destroy said Islamist group-orgz AND SURROUNDING LAND AREAS WIDOUT THE FORMAL PERMISSION OF WASHINGTON OR THE MACKENZIE BROS, ESKIMOS, etc.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2008-02-06 16:46||   2008-02-06 16:46|| Front Page Top

#45 VDH is right in every respect, and this is a man with superb conservative credentials.

As does McCain, as politicians go.

It is bad sense and bad politics to write people off because they lack perfection according to our lights. And it is almost 180 degrees away from the conservative tradition. Burke would not think well of us for being so rigid.

Conservatism is a notoriously undefinable quality, a negative of ideology rather than an ideology, and it is a big, big mistake to try to make an ideology out of it. Holding ones nose and voting for the lesser of two evils - accepting the imperfect nature of humanity - is pretty much the essence of conservatism. It really isn't conservative to vote "for" and not "against".
Posted by buwaya 2008-02-06 16:46||   2008-02-06 16:46|| Front Page Top

#46 D *** NG IT, BOYZ, AMERIKA's [the USSA = Global USR] sacred mainstream Motherly NATIONAL COMMUNISM - YOU KNOW, CONSTITUT REPUBLICANISM, DEMOCRACY, LIBERTARIANISM, DEMOCAPITALISM, ETC - must be saved from the ARROGANT FASCIST MALE BRUTES OF FASCIST-RIGHTIST REPUB-IST SOCIALISM.
SOCIALIST AMER HAS TO BE SAVED FROM SOCIALISM.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2008-02-06 16:53||   2008-02-06 16:53|| Front Page Top

#47 Remember, people, that you are not just voting for who gets to sit behind the big desk. You are also voting for who gets to appoint judges and veto stupid congressional acts.

As for VEA7366, feel free to lecture us when Canada becomes a shining example to the world as opposed to Britain Lite.
Posted by SteveS 2008-02-06 16:56||   2008-02-06 16:56|| Front Page Top

#48 I agree that the last few years have been embarassingly bad -> time to replace Congress.

Had the exact same thought 3dc.

Out here:
Conservative - do the tried and true way as it is working
Liberal - not afraid to tweak the system knowing that if it does not work there is a tried method to fall back upon

We have a good mix of these Liberals and Conservatives out here. Note this does not necessarily translate into Republican and Democrat but it works in this microcosmos.

East State:
Conservative - goes to church, does not rock the boat.
Liberal - the system is broken and must be changed, knows what is best for ya.

By that logic, Phelps though a 'conservative' platform is 'liberal'.

VEA, if you are Canadian you best not be voting for either Clinton or McCain or whoever. If you are Canadian and awaiting the results of this election you best hope neither side is irrational and I don't see that as yet as compared to '04. And if wxjames sounds irrational to you it is because by pointing out the various positions of the candidates those positions contradict each other and make the quoting incomprehensible. And if anyone doubts the MSM's slant you should have heard the morning news and NPR circle jerk this afternoon.
Posted by swksvolFF 2008-02-06 17:00||   2008-02-06 17:00|| Front Page Top

#49 "Obama has more votes nationwide"

at least a few have to be from the Chicago cemeteries.
Posted by mom ">mom  2008-02-06 17:03|| http://idontknowbut.blogspot.com]">[http://idontknowbut.blogspot.com]  2008-02-06 17:03|| Front Page Top

#50 "Environment, not terrorism, a main concern"

From VEA's link.

Unassailable proof that Canadians are inherently less intelligent than Americans.
Posted by no mo uro 2008-02-06 17:51||   2008-02-06 17:51|| Front Page Top

#51 Oh, and to see where Euroland is now, and where Canada is heading (and the Democrat party wants to go, too) see the following:

http://www.eurozine.com/articles/2008-01-25-wirten-en.html

Canadians......feeling superior to Americans without a real reason, for decades now.
Posted by no mo uro 2008-02-06 17:56||   2008-02-06 17:56|| Front Page Top

#52 it's not only Canadians who are watching your elections intently. But you already knew that.

Of course I do, since I have occasion to professionally interact with members of the Canadian, British, German, Italian and other allied armed forces. Most of whom are quite concerned that twits like you will have an influence here.
Posted by lotp 2008-02-06 18:03||   2008-02-06 18:03|| Front Page Top

#53 ...it's not only Canadians who are watching your elections intently...

I'm barely 40 so you'll pardon me for not being able to recall a time when Canada's opinion about anythihg ever mattered.
Posted by Crusader 2008-02-06 18:36||   2008-02-06 18:36|| Front Page Top

#54 wellll...I've supported (in order) Hunter, then Thompson, then Romney. Apparently I'm teh kiss of death. McCain is our (GOP) guy now, it's ineveitable with the delegate count. To make the best of it, we need to make him promise - with NO weasel words - to appoint strict constructionist judges, work HARD to make the Bush tax cuts permanent, build the fence FASTER and no bitching about it, strike the McCain-Feingold first campaign free-speech infringement, NO AMNESTY, and SMILE while you do it, dammit. AND NO Huckster as VP. I've had all I can stand of that snakeoil bastard. Pick someone strong as VP - how about Hunter or Thompson or Steele (boy, that would be fun), but McCain needs to show humility and promise conservatives these things or he won't win
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2008-02-06 19:18||   2008-02-06 19:18|| Front Page Top

#55 "Unassailable proof that Canadians are inherently less intelligent than Americans"

Is anyone more intelligent than you? ...speaking of tedious hubris.

"Most of whom are quite concerned that twits like you will have an influence here."

You can relax, I don't plan on voting in your election.
Posted by Victor Emmanuel Angalet7366 2008-02-06 19:22||   2008-02-06 19:22|| Front Page Top

#56 Why not, troll VEA?

As long as you vote for a DemoncRat, aliens are you'll be welcome to vote in Chicago.
Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut  2008-02-06 19:35|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/]  2008-02-06 19:35|| Front Page Top

#57 And risk getting shot by some Rantburger? No thanks.
Posted by Victor Emmanuel Angalet7366 2008-02-06 19:41||   2008-02-06 19:41|| Front Page Top

#58 lotp said..."Prediction: a Dem will will mean a flood of military resignations."
My USMC LtC son said: 'If it's Hillary, I will resign, as will most all those that I know'.

VEA seems to be having global warming problems up there in polar bear country, eh?

Posted by Omung Squank9908 2008-02-06 19:52||   2008-02-06 19:52|| Front Page Top

#59 Not to worry, VEA. Even if you DO get plugged by some Rantburger and go to your fiery just reward, you'll still be able to vote--in Chicago! What's more, you'll be voting Lib, just the way you want. What's not to like? That would have more effect on a U.S. election than just running your mouth!
Posted by Jomosing Bluetooth8431 2008-02-06 20:18||   2008-02-06 20:18|| Front Page Top

#60 November will be sweet.
Posted by Victor Emmanuel Angalet7366 2008-02-06 20:51||   2008-02-06 20:51|| Front Page Top

#61 Hey Victor, how do you feel about the NAU (North American Union)? Can't wait to get your piece of the USA, right ?
Posted by wxjames 2008-02-06 20:57||   2008-02-06 20:57|| Front Page Top

#62 Ah.....shouldn't have fed the troll.

Just let him go back to taking away people's guns, promoting socialism, and committing acts of bigotry against Christians.
Posted by no mo uro 2008-02-06 21:01||   2008-02-06 21:01|| Front Page Top

#63 Sure. Just like 2000 and 2004. Hillary Clinton, the most hated woman in America. Or Barak Obama, son of a muslim and himself a radical black supremacist. Sorry, it just goes to show the Dem nominating process is controlled by the left wing fringe (esp. money) of the Dem party. But, just like John Kerry, the news media blackout on Obama's beliefs or radical associates won't survive past the primaries. The election is depends entirely on conservative acceptance of the GOP candidate. Middle class America already rejects the two Dem nominees.
Posted by ed 2008-02-06 21:08||   2008-02-06 21:08|| Front Page Top

#64 But you won't vote for McCain either...so...what now?

I have a lot of respect for McCain not because I agree with his policies, but because he stuck to his guns when every one else hated his guts. It takes a lot these days to stand up to people who consistently believe "it's my way or the highway".

"Hey Victor, how do you feel about the NAU (North American Union)? Can't wait to get your piece of the USA, right ?"

Hell no! And stay away from our water!
What else...I think NAFTA is a disaster, I don't want a common currency either, and I think China is a bigger threat to our economies than 12 million illegal Mexicans.

I don't like guns, but for historical and practical reasons I wouldn't take them away. When you live in the boonies and the closest cop is 300km away, you need a gun.

As for health care, I would keep a free health care system, but I wouldn't prevent someone who wants to pay for faster or better service.

I guess all this makes me a Liberal or something.
Posted by Victor Emmanuel Angalet7366 2008-02-06 21:26||   2008-02-06 21:26|| Front Page Top

#65 VAE, McCain has his problems (e.g. immigration), but if he is the nominee, there is no red line that will prevent the majority voting for him. On the other hand, Hillary is ALREADY hated by the majority of Americans and Obama is a black RACIST with nice teeth (paid for by his white grandparents). That's a gut check that won't pass GO with middle America.
Posted by ed 2008-02-06 21:35||   2008-02-06 21:35|| Front Page Top

#66 Victor, may I say you were so horribly misnamed?
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2008-02-06 21:40||   2008-02-06 21:40|| Front Page Top

#67 You can say whatever you like, it's a free country.
Posted by Victor Emmanuel Angalet7366 2008-02-06 21:41||   2008-02-06 21:41|| Front Page Top

#68 "I have a lot of respect for McCain not because I agree with his policies, but because he stuck to his guns when every one else hated his guts. It takes a lot these days to stand up to people who consistently believe "it's my way or the highway"."

-cool, based on that reasoning you should respect George W. Bush for also sticking to his guns.
Posted by Broadhead6 2008-02-06 21:52||   2008-02-06 21:52|| Front Page Top

#69 Frank G, you and I have tracked down the same road in terms of support. I even had the misfortune to donate to Fred Thompson's campaign about an hour before he withdrew. Unfortunately though, I don't see how John McCain can, at this late date, change the habits of a lifetime. Humility and a humble demeanor are anathema to the man. I think he might say most anything, but would revert to type if elected and throw open the borders. His comment to "just calm down" was one of the stupidest, most arrogant statements uttered in recent memory and had exactly the opposite effect.
Posted by RWV 2008-02-06 23:14||   2008-02-06 23:14|| Front Page Top

#70 based on that reasoning you should respect George W. Bush for also sticking to his guns

Yes but he had plenty of support back then during the worst of Iraq, unlike McCain. I actually like George W. Bush. His mistake was that when people saw that Iraq was turning into an aparent SNAFU, he should have reacted sooner, instead of listening to his pal Rumsfeld and "staying the course". And as it turns out, the so called surge seems to have given good results. Which you'll remember, McCain supported.
Posted by Victor Emmanuel Angalet7366 2008-02-06 23:31||   2008-02-06 23:31|| Front Page Top

#71 RWV - for that you would wish in Hillary or Obama?

Not arguing with you just asking.
Posted by 3dc 2008-02-06 23:35||   2008-02-06 23:35|| Front Page Top

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