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2007-11-08 Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Ahmadinejad: 3,000 centrifuges running
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Posted by Fred 2007-11-08 00:00|| || Front Page|| [7 views ]  Top
 File under: Govt of Iran 

#1 These are synchronized devices, how immune to vibration are they?

Paging Haliburton Earthquake Division....
Posted by 3dc 2007-11-08 00:44||   2007-11-08 00:44|| Front Page Top

#2 In fact, they have probabably been running most of them for quite a while now. I wonder how many years it would take for those centrifuges to whip up enough U238 for an A-bomb if they were all turned on at the same time.
Posted by gorb 2007-11-08 02:11||   2007-11-08 02:11|| Front Page Top

#3 NEWSMAX > USA:IRAN'S CHEMICAL, BIO WEAPON/WARHEAD THREAT REAL. In event of conflict, Iran has the BC and missle capability to hit US forces as far away as Oman, or the Israeli cities of Tel Aviv and Haifa.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2007-11-08 04:26||   2007-11-08 04:26|| Front Page Top

#4 ASIA TIMES > IMPERIAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR US BUILDERS. Contruction, Education, and "Nation-Building"? is the new "Gunboat Diplomacy"??? + PLAN B [for Bombs]IF IRAN FANTASY FAILS.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2007-11-08 04:44||   2007-11-08 04:44|| Front Page Top

#5 gorb, it's U235 that can sustain a chain reaction; U238 is good for making armor-piercing ammo.
The centrifuges are a 'cascade' each one generates a slight enrichment of U235 and sends it on to the next for a little more enrichment. (At a relatively early stage (?5-10% U235?) you can use it to fuel a nuclear reactor. It has to be nearly pure U235 to make an efficient bomb.) It takes just a short time to attain the enrichment in ONE centrifuge, but much longer of course (?months?) to get all the way through the cascade. Once the cascade is full though, it only takes that short cycle time of a single centrifuge to get each incremental batch of ~pure U235 out. I don't know how many centrifuges are in a cascade, nor how much U235 comes out of a functioning cascade per day, but it sounds like 3000 centrifuges is enough to make the process work, but not enough to collect bomb fuel fast enough to meet their desires.
And 3dc, yes, the centrifuges are sensitive to vibration, though I would assume they are well-isolated from all but the most severe shocks. They are also very sensitive to leakage - lots of tubes and connections and seals etc. tying all those moving parts together. And leakage is bad in two ways: 1) you lose some of the U235 you are working so hard to concentrate, and 2) you contaminate the workplace and workers with stuff which is really not healthy for children and other living things.
Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore  2007-11-08 07:34||   2007-11-08 07:34|| Front Page Top

#6 Typically the uranium is dissolved in hydroflouric acid creating uranium hexaflouride gas. This stuff is extremely corrosive and very bad stuff to breathe. The U235 is then separated by means of the centrifuge.
Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues  2007-11-08 08:50||   2007-11-08 08:50|| Front Page Top

#7 Thanks Glenmore. I was thinking the UF6 would be heavier for U238 and therefore easier to separate out. Looks like they have to wait for enough of the lighter U235 variety of UF6 to be left behind that it's worth trying to enrich it. I can imagine this process taking much longer than if they were trying to separate out the heavier one. Looks like this is the lesser of two evils, but I still don't like it.
Posted by gorb 2007-11-08 17:45||   2007-11-08 17:45|| Front Page Top

#8 FRONTPAGE MAGZ > THE NEED FOR MISSLE DEFENSE. Article reminds that Iran is working on both LR Missles + deliverable nuke weapons, both which may become operation 2013-2015 IFF NOT SOONER. IRAN'S CLANDESTINE NUCPROG IS FOCUSED ON DEV BOTH URANIUM AND PLUTONIUM NUCMATS FOR WEAPONS [I.E. NUKE BOMBS AND WARHEADS]. US DIA estimates Iran may be able to accurately hit the USA wid LR ICBMS by 2015.

UPI > BMD FOCUS > SM-3 TECHNOLOGY IS "MATURE". US AEGIS includ SM-3 Missle Sys are world's weapon-of-choice as illustrated by recent successful BMD tests + overall test record. AEGIS/SM-3 , however, while great remains subject to the chaos and other normal constraints of human warfare. USN - AEGIS is deployed aboard SIX US DESTROYERS [90-loads ea.], for a total of 540 potential hits agz enemy missles or other targets, plus THREE US CRUISERS [122-loads ea] or 366 potential targets, for a gross cumulative total of 1096 potential hits agz enemy missle or targets, EXCLUSIVE OF OTHER USN SUPPORTING COMBAT SYSTEMS. USN = USA desires to expand on the numbers.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2007-11-08 21:12||   2007-11-08 21:12|| Front Page Top

#9 An overpressure of ~6000lb/sq in. can do a number on anything, especially a high-speed, highly-calibrated centrifuge. Several such blasts could wreck the whole cascade.
Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot  2007-11-08 21:47|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]  2007-11-08 21:47|| Front Page Top

#10 From what I understand, the centrifuges aren't just "centrifuges" but "ultrafuges". This means that their rotors spin at trans-sonic velocities in a high vacuum environment. Here's a good link:
A gas centrifuge tube spins very fast to create an artificial gravity. The tubes do not spin end over end like a cheerleader's baton but around their long axis, like an axle. With the tube spinning at full speed, uranium, in the form of a gaseous compound, uranium hexafluoride, is introduced through a small feed tube running along the axis of the centrifuge tube. With these huge pseudo-gravitational fields, the heavier uranium-238 will be slightly more concentrated around the outside of the centrifuge tube than the lighter uranium-235, which will be slightly more concentrated along the central axis of the spinning tube. If the uranium hexafluoride were removed from the central axis of the tube, it would have a higher concentration of uranium-235, or be 'enriched,' compared to what went in. But the enrichment effect is small. There is, however, a simple but quite clever trick that dramatically increases the amount of enrichment possible in one centrifuge. If one end of the tube is heated, convection currents form. (Remember that in the spinning tube the centrifugal forces are such that 'up' is toward the central axis of the tube and 'down' is out toward the wall of the tube. So the heated gas 'rises,' going to the center, while the cooler gas fills in to replace it along the 'bottom,' that is, along the wall.) The lighter uranium-235 molecules will spend, on average, a little bit more time near the axis being swept along toward the cool end of the tube while the heavier uranium-238 molecules will spend a little bit more time near the wall of the tube, being swept toward the hot end. Now, rather than having the gas be slightly enriched toward the center of the tube, it is more enriched at one end of the tube. The degree of enrichment depends now on the length of the tube. Early experimental gas centrifuges had rotor tubes a meter long and the newest rotor tubes can be 10-12 meters long and get enrichment factors per stage a hundred times higher than the gas diffusion process.

The spindle speeds are rated at multi KRPM's and therefore must operate in evacuated chambers in order to rotate fast enough to create the "artificial gravity" required to enhance isotopic separation. This means the entire assembly must be very delicately balanced. Consequently, this sort of apparatus is extremely sensitive to shocks of any sort.

I must also wonder how the entire chemical process is affected by trace reactive elements that "cling" to the various isotopes of UHF6. According to leaked reports, the Iranians have had a lot of difficulty in the "gassification" process thereby conteminating the product to be separated. Let's all hope this is true, because even slight contamination of the fissile material, especially with 238U "poisons" the nuclear reaction and can attenuate device yields by huge percentages.
Posted by Zenster">Zenster  2007-11-08 22:16||   2007-11-08 22:16|| Front Page Top

#11 Yum. Solid scientific information with implications. I feel like a small child presented with a candy bar. :-)
Posted by trailing wife">trailing wife  2007-11-08 22:26||   2007-11-08 22:26|| Front Page Top

#12 REALCLEARPOLITICS > WOULD IRAN DO THE UNTHINKABLE; + STRATEGYPAGE > RUSSIA: NATO PLANS TO INVADE. Russia's Govt and many people believe NATO plans to eventuall attack and invade Russia.
Posted by JosephMendiola 2007-11-08 23:06||   2007-11-08 23:06|| Front Page Top

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