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2007-10-26 Fifth Column

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Posted by Frank G 2007-10-26 12:53|| || Front Page|| [12 views ] Top

#1 The group behind the coalition has also established a nonprofit organization called Citizens for American Values in Public Education Inc., which intends to "halt the imposition of radical Islamist agendas" in curriculum, Arab-language programs, history classes, textbooks, teacher training and charter schools nationwide.

History books will refer to this group as "the survivors".

"We started that national group because we need to start educating people to educate themselves, watch their boards of education, so these things don't suddenly arise," said Stuart Kaufman, a member of the the coalition's national advisory board. "What we are doing, the government should be doing - but they aren't, so it falls to us."

Thus begins the rise of an honest vigilante movement in the face of government inaction and complacency. Should the current political status quo persist, expect this new movement to become quite violent. Should America's Democrats and liberal Left continue their program of treason and betrayal of Western civilization, they too should expect to become targets of that violence.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-10-26 14:51|| 2007-10-26 14:51|| Front Page Top

#2 "vigilante movement... expect this new movement to become quite violent... they too should expect to become targets of that violence"

Projecting again, Zenster? You're getting yourself quite worked up again. Time to take your meds.

Posted by Darrell 2007-10-26 15:03|| 2007-10-26 15:03|| Front Page Top

#3 They suggested that, as an observant Muslim, I was disqualified from leading KGIA

How to parse this? If she truly represents all "observant Muslims" then such Muslims are indeed a tremendous danger to America and our civil liberties. If, instead, she is lieing to conceal her anti-American radical Islamist agenda of 9-11 denial, participation with known terrorist fund-raising groups and her status as a receipient of an award from CAIRan unindicted co-conspirator in the ongoing government legal case against the Holy Land Foundationthen she is an even greater danger to America.

"To stir up anti-Arab prejudice they constantly referred to me by my Arabic name, a name that I do not use professionally. They even created and circulated a YouTube clip depicting me as a radical Islamist."

It ain't lieing when you refer to facts. Almontaser is nothing but another Muslim terrorist skank and has no place in any educational institution on American soil. Here is a link to the PipeLineNews video about Almontaser. It's well worth the five minutes needed to view this clip.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-10-26 15:32|| 2007-10-26 15:32|| Front Page Top

#4 Quoting out of context is the hallmark of a feeble and inadequate mind. Using slanderous innuendo as a smear tactic is intellectually bankrupt.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-10-26 15:37|| 2007-10-26 15:37|| Front Page Top

#5 Should America's Democrats and liberal Left continue their program of treason and betrayal of Western civilization, they too should expect to become targets of that violence.

There's some on the right that don't mind living in denial as well--some of them sit in high places.

Posted by Crusader 2007-10-26 15:53|| 2007-10-26 15:53|| Front Page Top

#6 "vigilante movement... expect this new movement to become quite violent... they too should expect to become targets of that violence"
A coalition files a lawsuit and Zenster brands them vigilantes and extrapolates to violence. Who is out of context?

Posted by Darrell 2007-10-26 16:24|| 2007-10-26 16:24|| Front Page Top

#7 You just cannot resist quoting out of context, can you, Darrell?

Thus begins the rise of an honest vigilante movement in the face of government inaction and complacency.

What part of "honest vigilante movement" don't you understand?

"What we are doing, the government should be doing - but they aren't, so it falls to us."

Stuart Kaufman is a member of the the coalition's own national advisory board and he willingly describes his actions as those of a concerned citizen who is doing what the government should be but isn't. That is a classical definition of vigilante behavior. From the Merriam-Webster online dictionary:

Main Entry: vig·i·lan·te
Function: noun
Etymology: Spanish, watchman, guard, from vigilante vigilant, from Latin vigilant-, vigilans
Date: 1856
: a member of a volunteer committee organized to suppress and punish crime summarily (as when the processes of law are viewed as inadequate); broadly : a self-appointed doer of justice

But of course, in your haste to smear me and make unwarranted negative connections you ascribe perjorative connatations to a word I have specifically used in its proper and worthwhile context.

Should America's Democrats and liberal Left continue their program of treason and betrayal of Western civilization, they too should expect to become targets of that violence.

You claim that my speculative statement "extrapolates to violence" instead of recognizing that I observe as to how Democrats and the Left can also "expect to" bear some of the brunt on the condition that they "continue their program of treason and betrayal". Perish the thought that you would include that important qualifier. It might make your argument seem like the useless, inappropriate and intentionally misrepresented steaming puddle of bull hocky that is it.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-10-26 17:51|| 2007-10-26 17:51|| Front Page Top

#8 It [Stop the Madrassa Community Coalition] claims the Department of Education failed to provide sufficient information about the charter school's curriculum and text books.

It [Stop the Madrassa Community Coalition] claims the school indoctrinates students with a radical Islamist agenda.

One would assume that if they dont know the school's curriculum it would be impossible to know if the school indoctrinates students with a radical Islamist agenda? Given the founders pedigree it is very plausible but its still just speculation.

Posted by DepotGuy 2007-10-26 17:57|| 2007-10-26 17:57|| Front Page Top

#9 Love how the islamic supremacists have appropriated a Christian Arab's name for the madrassa. And "Debbie"? I don't think so. Kitman at it's best.

Posted by ed 2007-10-26 18:05|| 2007-10-26 18:05|| Front Page Top

#10 DepotGuy, how many times must Lucy snatch the football away from you? Next time, she surely will play fair.

Posted by ed 2007-10-26 18:08|| 2007-10-26 18:08|| Front Page Top

#11 Given the founders pedigree it is very plausible but its still just speculation.

DepotGuy, you may wish to check out the Daniel Pipes: Debbie Almontaser donated to Cynthia McKinney thread. It certainly appears as though Almontaser is funneling Islamic funds into the campaigns of those who are a little too friendly with our enemies. Did you watch the video that I linked to? Almontaser is quoted as saying that she would rather DIE than forsake wearing the hijab. I find it difficult in the extreme to believe that such a fundamentalist individual would not feel entirely compelled to institute Islamic indoctrination given the least chance to do so.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-10-26 18:11|| 2007-10-26 18:11|| Front Page Top

#12 Your donated dollars at work, for more activism please make checks payable to Islamophobes-R-US c/o People For A Secure America
Drum Stick, Arkansas 814U2

Posted by wxjames 2007-10-26 18:20|| 2007-10-26 18:20|| Front Page Top

#13 Zen,

My point is simple. If they dont know the curriculum (which is what the lawsuit is about) then it is speculation (and speculation only) to suggest that the school is some sort of Madrassa. Without that little something calleduhem proof it is equally plausible it could simply be a totally innocuous cultural immersion school. Furthermore, given the divide between cultures that might not necessarily be a bad thing.

Posted by DepotGuy 2007-10-26 18:38|| 2007-10-26 18:38|| Front Page Top

#14 No argument, DepotGuy. Proof is a good thing, even if that concept eludes another of this thread's participants. However, I don't think you'll disagree that the odds are not in favor of Ms. Almontaser being entirely candid about her intentions nor that the school was likely free of Islamic indoctrination materials. I certainly wouldn't bet a plug nickel on either.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-10-26 18:57|| 2007-10-26 18:57|| Front Page Top

#15 Historically, the problem with vigilante justice is that it often renders punishment without proof.

Zenster, why don't you harness some of your verbosity and apply it to making "Islamic indoctrination" a crime in this country?

Posted by Darrell 2007-10-26 19:02|| 2007-10-26 19:02|| Front Page Top

#16 Darrell, why don't you harness together your last lonely synapses and start backing your accusations with proof? Until then, I suggest you stop making a fool of yourself.

I am already hard at work doing my part to defend America. My Christian nextdoor neighbors recently celebrated their 25th wedding anniversary. I took the opportunity to inform many of their fellow believers about Islam's threat. Many of them had never even heard of Beslan and were stunned by my detailed account of the atrocity. After explaining to him about taqiyya and other Muslim doctrines, my neighbor suggested that I go on radio and broadcast this same information due to how well I presented it.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-10-26 19:52|| 2007-10-26 19:52|| Front Page Top

#17 Should the current political status quo persist, expect this new movement to become quite violent.

Where do I sign up?

Posted by Natural Law 2007-10-26 19:58|| 2007-10-26 19:58|| Front Page Top

#18 #12 Your donated dollars at work, for more activism please make checks payable to Islamophobes-R-US c/o People For A Secure America
Drum Stick, Arkansas 814U2
Posted by: wxjames 2007-10-26 18:20

I have to object: A phobia is an *irrational* fear of something that is otherwise nothing to fear. Given that over 90% of the wars and terrorist actions have Islamists as one side, and pretty much everyone else if collected as a set on the other, I think my extreme caution and skepticism about Islamist militant activity is perfectly rational and logical.

One has to wonder if verito-phobia (fear of the truth) is the underlying affliction of those yelling "Islamophobia!"

Posted by Ptah">Ptah 2007-10-26 20:06|| http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]">[http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org] 2007-10-26 20:06|| Front Page Top

#19 "Leading the attack was the Stop the Madrassa Coalition run by Daniel Pipes, who has made his career fostering hatred of Arabs and Muslims," Almontaser said.

Pipes should sue her for slander, as well.

Posted by Grumenk Philalzabod0723 2007-10-26 22:01|| 2007-10-26 22:01|| Front Page Top

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