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2007-08-26 -Lurid Crime Tales-

Psycho Tries To Open Airplane Door At 30k Feet--That's A Beatin'

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Posted by Anonymoose 2007-08-26 11:19|| || Front Page|| [11145 views ] Top

#1 beat him unconscious, tape him up like a mummy and you don't have to worry

Posted by Frank G">Frank G 2007-08-26 12:22|| 2007-08-26 12:22|| Front Page Top

#2 Damn! The X-Pattern, that was uncalled for.

Posted by Lt Tragg 2007-08-26 13:21|| 2007-08-26 13:21|| Front Page Top

#3 You can't open an airplane cabin door at that altitude. Commercial aircraft are designed such that the doors are held closed by the force of the internal cabin pressure.

Posted by DMFD 2007-08-26 13:21|| 2007-08-26 13:21|| Front Page Top

#4 Commercial aircraft are designed such that the doors are held closed by the force of the internal cabin pressure.

That doesn't mean this moronic turd wasn't in desperate need of a serious beatdown. Anyone want to bet he tries this stunt ever again?

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-08-26 13:57|| 2007-08-26 13:57|| Front Page Top

#5 After reading this, I can't help but wonder, was this guy just some "psycho" or did he have an alterior motive? Despite what little they say of his age and background, it made my antennae twitch.

Perhaps something that was supposed to happen (i.e. an explosion or detonation of some kind), did not happen, driving this guy to act out in an "insane" manner by rushing the cockpit and then attempting to open the cabin door at 30k feet.

Posted by eltoroverde 2007-08-26 13:59|| 2007-08-26 13:59|| Front Page Top

#6 Vigil and two other male passengers rushed over to help

So, no one was willing to make a "Vigilante" wisecrack?

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-08-26 13:59|| 2007-08-26 13:59|| Front Page Top

#7 Come to think of it, the Taser was originally invented specifically for use in airplanes against hijackers. Yet for some reason, they are a rarity in airplanes. If they are worried about it falling into the wrong hands, just put a six button keypad on it as a security feature. Take it out of its holder and press a few buttons, then bam.

Posted by Anonymoose 2007-08-26 15:34|| 2007-08-26 15:34|| Front Page Top

#8 Screw the X-pattern, just put about four turns around his neck, elbows, ankles and wrists and that'll keep him out of trouble. If that doesn't do it, then stick a piece over his nose and mouth.

They had to tie him up with extension belts? Why should they have to struggle to find things to restrain him with? They should have provisions for that ready to go. Maybe just an extra roll of duct tape, but it should be figured out by now.

Posted by gorb 2007-08-26 15:49|| 2007-08-26 15:49|| Front Page Top

#9 Definitely, there should be emergency restraints easily available to the flight crew, but then, for years Congress has allowed flight crew to carry firearms & the TSA has made that virtually impossible, it has probably done the same thing with restraints. I have had the experience of applying restraints to maniacs & it is a difficult process. Get the maniac's feet off the floor & disconnect his hands from anything he could use either to brace himself with or as a weapon. Forget about using pain as a means of control, It. Does. Not. Work. Especially in maniacs. Control would be even harder to establish in the aisle of an airliner, too many points of contact for your maniac to push against. Duct tape is very slow to deploy, it sticks to itself too much.
I wonder where the duct tape came from. Maybe I should carry a roll on my next flight.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2007-08-26 16:14|| 2007-08-26 16:14|| Front Page Top

#10 Amen, AH. I've been part of teams that had to subdue patients (psychotic, or drug-induced, or just plain nasty) in emergency rooms, and it's not easy at all to get someone down and restrained. Try doing it in close-quarters in an airplane with nothing but belts and duct tape.

And good point -- from where did the duct tape come?

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2007-08-26 16:30|| 2007-08-26 16:30|| Front Page Top

#11 Duct tape - I don't leave home without it. Good for luggage repairs after Abdominal's crew gets done with it.

Posted by Glenmore">Glenmore 2007-08-26 17:18|| 2007-08-26 17:18|| Front Page Top

#12 AH - just for starters in a FUBAR such as this, shouldn't you go for the ankles first? I mean two helpers take one each and elevate? Get him off his feet and his arms become useless. You're right about trying a half nelson or wrist lock - too close quarters. Blet his ankles to a tray table - about knee level off the ground and I suspect he couldn't get far.

Posted by Halliburton - Reality Imposition Division 2007-08-26 21:16|| 2007-08-26 21:16|| Front Page Top

#13 What about a good ol'-fashioned kick in the balls?

Just for the fun of it, if nothing else....)

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2007-08-26 21:22|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/] 2007-08-26 21:22|| Front Page Top

#14 I travel a lot on business and GOD help the first person that acts up near me. Good going Vigil and gang.

Posted by Cyber Sarge 2007-08-26 21:40|| 2007-08-26 21:40|| Front Page Top

#15 Glad the guy was subdued quickly.

I'm not a doctor of any kind, much less a psychiatrist, but I've been around paranoid schizophrenics, people suffering a psychotic break and people on the verge of one suffering from overwhelming anxiety attacks. If odds were being taken, I'd bet this guy was actually deranged and having a very severe anxiety attack or a psychotic break rather than being a failed jihadi. But others of our readers might be more qualified to make a good guess than I.

Posted by lotp 2007-08-26 22:10|| 2007-08-26 22:10|| Front Page Top

#16 And yes, if that were the case, kicking him in the balls really wouldn't necessarily do much to stop him.

Even less if he was drugged to the gills. Saw a scrawny guy on PCP once ... nearly tore off a car door in his frenzy, put his hand through the glass, was bleeding, ran & tried to climb over a fence, falling on the pointy metal spikes at the top with no obvious impact at all. Pretty scary.

Posted by lotp 2007-08-26 22:13|| 2007-08-26 22:13|| Front Page Top

#17 What about a good ol'-fashioned kick in the balls?

Darling, you are waaaaay too logical. Geddoudddahere!

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-08-26 22:26|| 2007-08-26 22:26|| Front Page Top

#18 AH there is a certain set of pain and holds that can be used to subdue even the maniacs.

A lot of joint lock pressures cut through even the looniest. And if they push hard, THEY snap their own bones and tear the muscles from them. Turns them into rag doll appendages, so either way they are not a threat. Once the tendons come away from the bone or the bone snaps, they arent moving much. Trust me on that one.

Posted by OldSpook 2007-08-26 22:58|| 2007-08-26 22:58|| Front Page Top

#19 Good point about getting the perp off his feet first, but if he's holding on to something substantial or his body's braced, most people would have trouble retaining their hold on his ankles.
Old Spook, could you provide a link to places that illustrate how to do as you suggest in the aisle of an airliner?

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2007-08-26 23:09|| 2007-08-26 23:09|| Front Page Top

#20 Delta Airlines has been providing training in airplane aisle martial arts for a number of years at their Cincinnati airport hub (which is naturally across the river in Covington, KY). One of the black belts at our Tae Kwan Do school is a senior stewardess, and she and Master Sun Park developed the techniques together after 9/11.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-08-26 23:37|| 2007-08-26 23:37|| Front Page Top

#21 Not sure of a web site. I got my training in close-in grappling and joint locks fromt he US Government. Its akin to aikido but without the concern for the opponent.

Posted by OldSpook 2007-08-26 23:58|| 2007-08-26 23:58|| Front Page Top

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