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2007-08-25 China-Japan-Koreas

Analysis: Russia-China military cooperation on the rocks

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Posted by john frum 2007-08-25 09:47|| || Front Page|| [4 views ] Top

#1 China has also complained about the quality of Russian weapons.

You know it's got to be bad when the Chinese complain about crappy quality.

Russian dealers, on the other hand, are upset about blatant Chinese imitations of their products, built from designs supplied in the understanding that the weapons were to be purchased.

Nobody saw that coming. Nosiree, Bob.

China's response has been to twice postpone an annual high-level conference on cooperation in defense technology. Beijing has indicated that the condition to restart the talks is for Russia to fulfill the aircraft contract.

Otherwise known as the "North Korean Gambit".

Russia contends that the existence of this problem is reason enough to hold new discussions, without any condition.

Otherwise known as "Hey, wait a minute! We're getting screwed, blued and tattooed!"

This Chinese tendency to set preconditions for political talks and other negotiations is well-known to U.S. and Japanese negotiators.

Who are all fed up with playing on the usual tilted pitch.

Now the strategy is being applied to the Russians.

Awww, poor baby!

To add salt to the wound, China has also criticized the quality of some Russian weapons it previously purchased.

To have chiseling cheapskate Chinese bastards diss your own garbage military gear has really gotta hurt.

For its part, Moscow is unhappy with China's massive production of imitation versions of Russian weapons.

Something China has never, ever done before.

Many Russian arms manufacturers have told the Western press how surprised they were by the scale of China's copycat capabilities. In many cases, Chinese dealers will express their intention to purchase Russian arms, begin negotiations, ask as many technical questions as possible, take photos and videos of the weapons, request all available documents, come back to the table to "discuss" more technical issues, and after a few more "negotiations," the dealers disappear. Two or three years later, a Chinese copy of the weapon under discussion appears on the international market.

So, they finally caught on to China's favorite ploy of buying only one of something?

"That is a copy of our radar," the designer of Phazotrol told this author. "We were so inexperienced at that time."

Translation: "We got taken like a couple of carnival marks!"

Cost of the Cold War with Russia: Untold gazillions of dollars.

Annual trade deficit with China: Over 120 billion dollars

Watching China screw Russia like a two-bit whore: Priceless!

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2007-08-25 13:20|| 2007-08-25 13:20|| Front Page Top

#2 Neither nation has real power projection capabilities so the only kind of cooperation they could expect is transfering equipment/pilots to fight on the other sides team against an enemy. Since most Chinese equipment is Soviet based I should think they wouldn't require a whole lot of cooperation at all.

Me thinks the cooperation was simply for propoganda purposes.

Posted by rjschwarz 2007-08-25 13:22|| 2007-08-25 13:22|| Front Page Top

#3 The Russians shouldn't take it personally. When I was working in the aerospace industry, Boeing sold the Chinese a 707 as a sign of good will. A few years later the Chinese introduced a near exact copy. Fortunately the Chinese made a few mistakes in their measurements and their copy was dangerously unstable.

You give the Chinese anything at your own risk.

Al

Posted by Frozen Al 2007-08-25 15:20|| 2007-08-25 15:20|| Front Page Top

#4 Or, if you're Clinton and Gore, in exchange for campaign $$ flowing through Buddhist nuns.

Posted by lotp 2007-08-25 15:57|| 2007-08-25 15:57|| Front Page Top

#5 Well all those copys are functional. The Naval one are the big worry. We have a shrinking Navy and they have a growing one even crappy ships can be a threat if you have enough of them. Too few good ones are no protection against them.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2007-08-25 18:46|| 2007-08-25 18:46|| Front Page Top

#6 I wouldn't discount Chinese. If we had someone's elses designs on a superior weapon, we'd copy and steal just like we did off of Nazi technologies after the war and put it to maximum use. We've got to keep our secrets close!

Posted by Boss Craising2882 2007-08-25 18:57|| 2007-08-25 18:57|| Front Page Top

#7 LOL. Em Pot calling kettle darkie.
Tu-4 etc.

Posted by Thomas Woof 2007-08-25 19:57|| 2007-08-25 19:57|| Front Page Top

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