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2007-05-11 Iraq

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Posted by ryuge 2007-05-11 08:10|| || Front Page|| [11138 views ] Top

#1 Plan B has merit. What's the downside?

Posted by JohnQC 2007-05-11 09:50|| 2007-05-11 09:50|| Front Page Top

#2 Preparations A through G were not entirely successful, prepare to ~~apply~~ employ Preparation H.

Seriously though; If the sunnis want us to leave, so that they can be slaughtered by the kurds and shiites, then maybe this guy has a point.

Posted by bigjim-ky 2007-05-11 10:15|| 2007-05-11 10:15|| Front Page Top

#3 You want to know the problem with this? It is encapsulated in this statement....

"...making sure that Shiites friendly to the United States emerge victorious..."

And just how, pray tell, do we do that? We would have to take out Mucky and his bad-boys enmasse or they would take over all of the Shiites and turn the whole stinkin' place into little Iran.

Not to mention that the Saudis would probably have a fair amount to say about this and they DO have some leverage.

Posted by AlanC">AlanC 2007-05-11 11:05|| 2007-05-11 11:05|| Front Page Top

#4 Given that the Saudis and Iran are already adding ingredients to this soup, a pullout would just leave them free to continue their little proxy war without hindrance. The only way Iraq will have a chance of making something out of itself without out us there is if Iran and Saudi Arabia are smacked down hard, which I don't think we're ready to do until world oil production increases enough to cover at least some of the Saudi exports (Iran's have not been doing well recently). While Canadian production has been increasing steadily this past year or two, they and others aren't where they need to be yet, as far as I understand it.

In some ways, this really is about the oil.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-05-11 12:08|| 2007-05-11 12:08|| Front Page Top

#5 TW "In some ways, this really is about the oil." is an understatement.

If it wasn't for oil the whole mess in WWI would have worked out differently. Would we have given a shit about Kuwait if it wasn't for oil? Would Saddam?

The whole world would be perfectly happy to put a cage around the whole area and let them kill each other.....except for oil.

Posted by AlanC">AlanC 2007-05-11 13:07|| 2007-05-11 13:07|| Front Page Top

#6 Truly a "witches brew" of tribalism and politics. It would be good to just neuter this region.

Posted by JohnQC 2007-05-11 13:22|| 2007-05-11 13:22|| Front Page Top

#7 Seize the oil fields and let the rest of the Middle East stew in their own hell.

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2007-05-11 16:13|| 2007-05-11 16:13|| Front Page Top

#8 Choosing the Shia over the Sunni would have negative repurcussions in other Sunni Arab nations (such as Saudi Arabia).

Posted by rjschwarz 2007-05-11 16:47|| 2007-05-11 16:47|| Front Page Top

#9 Plan B's what we should have done and been doing all along!

This ridiculous policy of not backing a duly elected government we allowed to be put in place in the first place is just idiotic. Sitting and watching a civil war break out around your head is stupid.

Take sides and take sides now! Kill any party or individual in Iraq that resists. Loyal opposition is fine. Armed opposition or insurrection against the government or the USA should be put down as hard, as fast, and in as brutal a manner as possible in order to avoid many more casualties.

I am sick of this pussy-footing around.

Posted by FOTSGreg">FOTSGreg 2007-05-11 17:40|| www.fire-on-the-suns.com]">[www.fire-on-the-suns.com] 2007-05-11 17:40|| Front Page Top

#10 IMPORTANT NOTE: It must be remembered that the public is fickle, and that leaving Iraq early may not help any Republicans keep office--in fact it may lose them even more seats.

Remember what happened to Bush's father, who rode high on a wave of public adoration following the easy success of Gulf War I, only to be crushed by a fop and a fool indifferent to foreign or domestic policy--interested only in his own pleasure.

The son is leaving office, and not at the behest of the public, who would turn him out if they could, but by term limitation. This means that the question becomes that of his potential Republican successor, and his party, and how they can turn things around.

Many want to cut and run, for they are lily-livers. The wiser ones know that for all intents and purposes, Iraq is no longer much of a problem at all. It is at risk not from terrorism or civil war, but only from a conventional attack from Iran.

This means that more than anything else, we must encourage Iraqi nationalism, and distrust and even hatred of Iran. The rest will take care of itself, though it would be very nice to have bases on Iraqi soil.

Posted by Anonymoose 2007-05-11 20:49|| 2007-05-11 20:49|| Front Page Top

#11 Exactly how "dirty" would be a hardline approach to Iraq? That polluted parliament of fanatics, is a mechanism for harborage of terrorists. Outside of the Kurds, seculars and some non-fundamentalist Muslims, the rest can go to hell. If they are the majority, then they can still go to hell. Nazi parties couldn't participate in elections in occupied Germany; why should islamonazis be so honored in occupied Iraq? Revising Augustine: Kill terrorists, then do as you will.

Posted by Sneaze 2007-05-11 21:00|| 2007-05-11 21:00|| Front Page Top

#12 WOT > is, among other premises = agendas, etc. A WAR FOR ANTI-US OWG, WHICH MUST BE PC "JUSTIFIED". The greatest "Battle/War" is NOT the ME, etal. but for CONTROL OF WASHINGTON DC, THE US NPE, + ESPEC REACTION OF THE USA TO ITS OWN DEFEAT, SUBORNMENT, IFF NOT PER SE DESTRUCTION. Few iff any in the MSM are overtly arguing for US-LED/CENTRIC OWG - its the OPPOSITE, i.e. are FOR A OWG NOT RULED OR DOMINATED BY THE USA andor the WEST = WESTERN DEMOCRACY-DEMOCAPITALISM in any way. Unfortunately for mainstream America, Anti-US Agendists-Globalists are NOT taking "NO" for an answer. RACE TO ISOLATION = no different than WAR/RACE FOR EMPIRE AS LONG AS THE USA [and WEst] LOSES.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2007-05-11 23:01|| 2007-05-11 23:01|| Front Page Top

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