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2007-02-23 -Lurid Crime Tales-

Senior Citizens tour group breaks mugger's neck

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Posted by Jackal 2007-02-23 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11129 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 a retired U.S. serviceman whom officials estimated was in his 70s put one of the attackers aged 20 in a headlock and broke his clavicle.

And you sneer at us when we search WWII vets - even the ones in wheelchairs. You've got to watch those old guys with combat skills.

Posted by The TSA 2007-02-23 00:19|| 2007-02-23 00:19|| Front Page Top

#2 What a heart-warming story. One dead miscreant, eh? An expensive lesson.

Posted by SteveS 2007-02-23 00:39|| 2007-02-23 00:39|| Front Page Top

#3 Holy shit! - that is one septuagenarian I wouldn't push in front of! (I don't do that anyhow, I added it for dramatic effect - and I certainly wouldn't do it to older people anyhow, I was brought up proper).

Darwin award perhaps?

And unfortunately, Jackal's comment is spot on :(

Posted by Tony (UK) 2007-02-23 03:07|| 2007-02-23 03:07|| Front Page Top

#4 Now if they'd just raise the enlistment age so more of these old warriors can get into it.

Posted by DanNY 2007-02-23 06:10|| 2007-02-23 06:10|| Front Page Top

#5 The human spine is composed of three sets of seven vertabrae of varying diameter. Those of the neck are the smallest in diameter, It is thinnest and weakest at the top, thicker and more sturdy at the base.

The seven vertabrae of the neck end at the smallest of the set where it attaches to the base of the skull. In effect this is a sort of power plug on the wiring( nerves ) to the brain which form the delicate HOLLOW core of the spine.

When a man is "hanged by the neck until dead" this point where the spine connects to the base of the skull is "unplugged" No signals can then reach the organs of the central body ( the heart and the lungs) and the body abruptly ceases to function (death ).

The spine ,architecturally ,is in the center of the neck as a stack of , metaphorically speaking, seven hollow plastic spools one on top of the other with that same hollow center filled with delicate krispie Kreme gossamer nerves whose consistency is like warm cheese. The whole is wrapped by a saran wrap of flesh and muscles and that in turn is ensheathed in a skin tissue much like K-Mart naughahyde.

Breaking the neck of another man is realtively simple for a man who weighs approximately 180-200 pounds. Even a woman can do it if she has the stomach to just do it.

You hug the man you are going to kill, (a close and put your arms around him hug ), chest to chest, belly to belly, face to face.

Then you slip both arms under his armpits move your arms up his back and behind his shoulders. You move in quickly and reach up and through, to grip him across his head with both outspread hands across the face.

Now you push him backwards off balance so that he begins to fall, as he falls deliberately fall with him to control his fall.

Move quickly to have your own legs ( like sitting in his lap )around his waist at the moment of impact and use his own fall weight to grasp the head and across the face and YANK the head backwards and DOWN so his own fall weight separates the base of the skull from the spine.

There are a couple of variants on this manuever but the effect is the same, the spine is broken at the base of the brain. Its as easy as opening a jar of Peanut Butter.

There wont be any blood, he wont make a sound.

Posted by Angleton 9 2007-02-23 09:09|| 2007-02-23 09:09|| Front Page Top

#6 I'm no MD, but isn't the clavicle the same thing as a collarbone? Why would that be fatal?

Posted by Chemist 2007-02-23 10:25|| 2007-02-23 10:25|| Front Page Top

#7 You hug the man you are going to kill, (a close and put your arms around him hug ), chest to chest, belly to belly, face to face.

Sounds gay... Just kidding.

Actually, I followed you right up until the part where you ride the guy down. Not sure where you are supposed to put his head as the both of you are falling. It sounds like you push his head backward so it strikes the ground first, but i'm not clear on that.

Posted by Mike N. 2007-02-23 10:33|| 2007-02-23 10:33|| Front Page Top

#8 It also sounds like you dislocate your shoulders when the guy hits the ground.

Maybe a youtube?

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2007-02-23 10:38|| 2007-02-23 10:38|| Front Page Top

#9 Costa Rica's nice, but Limon's a pit. Usually the cruise ships dock there and you get on the tour bus and go someplace else. Wouldn't walk around to take in the local color...

Posted by tu3031 2007-02-23 10:49|| 2007-02-23 10:49|| Front Page Top

#10 It also sounds like you dislocate your shoulders when the guy hits the ground.

Good point. The guys in the movies always make it look so easy. They just give it a little twist and no more bad guy then they can just pick up the gun that has never been reloaded and fire away until the credits roll.

I say that to insult the movies, not to insult 9. His explanation sounds infinitely more feasible than anything we see out of Hollywood. I'm no doctor, but what he describes seems like it would make for one helluvalotta force on a persons neck.

Posted by Mike N. 2007-02-23 11:03|| 2007-02-23 11:03|| Front Page Top

#11 yes, The clavicle is the collarbone. With a broken clavicle you can not marshall the muscles in the shoulder to either lift that arm or to leverage the shoulderblade on that side to resist the motion of the neck muscles or the arm. Usually once you have broken a man's clavicle hold onto that arm and use the excruciating pain to bring him to his knees and get him off his feet. Then begin kicking him in the head and face ( and dont turn loose of the now useless arm). Pain works in your favor and he is in a lot of that.

Oh, as the man in your embrace ( physical killing is rather intimate ) falls he will bend a bit at the waist to try and break his fall with either his butt or his shoulder. Just think about it a moment.

Timing doesnt have to be precise ,but time the yank of the head back and down for the moment of impact. The spine will snap, the plug is less than an inch across and there is nothing holding it in the skull except cartilage and muscles.

The muscles are disengaged by a surprised awareness of the fall process. The victim doesnt know what you are going to do, his focus of awareness is surprise and is on the fall.

He wont even realize in the two seconds it takes that his life is endangered. He will have one second of surprise, and a second second of focus on the fall. The third second will be the impact. Dont turn him loose, make sure the neck turns and keep turning it and feel where it goes.

Nice thought, "focus on the fall." As easy as breaking a nose, that's mostly cartilage too.

Posted by Angleton 9 2007-02-23 11:24|| 2007-02-23 11:24|| Front Page Top

#12 My long-standing agreement with Mr. Wife is that I run and fetch help, leaving him to fight in peace. The trailing daughters have expanded that to leaving them to fight in peace. I think I'd better stick with that. I'll make a point of showing them this thread tonight -- by then I'll have stopped shaking.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-02-23 12:20|| 2007-02-23 12:20|| Front Page Top

#13 Oh, as the man in your embrace ( physical killing is rather intimate ) falls he will bend a bit at the waist to try and break his fall with either his butt or his shoulder. Just think about it a moment.

Now ya lost me. I would think if you wrapped him up with your legs just below his ars, it would be difficult for him to bend much at the waist. As for the shoulder I am thinking that as long as you kept his chest to yours, he wouldn't be able to turn enough to get his shoulder to land first.

You served up some potentially life saving self defense advise here and I thank you. However, I have come to the conclusion that I am too stupid to comprehend it and will be doomed if a need to use this advise ever does arise. Some people ya just can't help.

If we ever end up meeting each other at a bar, I would appreciate a heads up so I don't get myself hurt. Lol!

Posted by Mike N. 2007-02-23 12:39|| 2007-02-23 12:39|| Front Page Top

#14 As heartwarming as the (hearsay) I read a couple of years ago about some Texan girls visiting the Eiffel Tower at night, 2 men came up to harass them and they beat the crap out of them.

The guy who overheard them talking about it the next day posted it.

Posted by anonymous2u 2007-02-23 13:18|| 2007-02-23 13:18|| Front Page Top

#15 Humans are relatively easy to kill if one knows what he is doing. If one doesn't, we can be notoriously hardy. Hitting someone with anything, a bullet, a knife, a rock, or a fist, in fatty tissues or muscular areas is virtually useless. Those areas are designed to take punishment. There are relatively few major blood vessels passing through these areas, and almost no major nerve junctions lie in them. Sure, it'll hurt and it'll bleed a little bit, but it's not life threatening.

Just hit someone in any area of the chest not directly over the heart and you'll see how well they can take the punch.

Absolute, one-shot kill areas are relatively few, but nerve plexes which can stun and debilitate are part and parcel of advanced, realistic martial arts training (and I'm not talking about the stupid shit you usually get by going to some neighborhood Tae Kwon Do or Karate class where their emphasis is on physical fitness rather than actual real self defense).

Pressure points, nereve plexes which can stun or debilitate, nerve junctures where you can cause someone an immense amount of pain, or actual points where you can strike and render a victim almost instantly unconscious or dead - that's what you need to focus on for self-defense.

In my experience, a good medical anatomy reference is about as good as any neighborhood martial arts class.

Don't strike for the stomach or the head. The head is hard and the stomach is soft and doesn't overlay any really vital areas (unless you're striking from the rear). Go for the throat, the knees, the elbows, the groin, the ears, the nose. Unless you're in an ideal position even an ankle rake is likely only to get you into deeper trouble.

It only takes about 8 lbs of pressure to dislocate a person's elbow and it doesn't even have to be applied all that well from above and behind.

The biggest, strongest man on the planet will collapse if you can strike him in the back, side, or front of his knee properly.

In any fight, in any confrontation that is likely to erupt into a fight, be prepared to strike to kill and end the fight quickly. The longer a fight goes on the more the chance your opponent will get a chance to render you hours de combat.

Use every advantage you possibly can. As Larry Niven's Kzinti say "You scream and you leap!"

Scream, strike hard, strike viciously, strike to kill. Give your opponent no chance to strike back.

Posted by FOTSGreg">FOTSGreg 2007-02-23 16:52|| www.fire-on-the-suns.com]">[www.fire-on-the-suns.com] 2007-02-23 16:52|| Front Page Top

#16 "Ya gotta get mean. I mean dirt dog mean." The Outlaw Josey Wales.

Posted by Deacon Blues">Deacon Blues 2007-02-23 17:02|| 2007-02-23 17:02|| Front Page Top

#17 Sounds gay...

Mike N. I concur...

Posted by RD 2007-02-23 22:26|| 2007-02-23 22:26|| Front Page Top

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