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Catholic School Docs Show Obama Registered As Muslim

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Posted by tipper 2007-01-31 10:07|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 I think in this day and age any ties to a muslim background is trouble for any candidate.

Plus... I don't trust a democrat as far as I can throw them, and only trust republicans half as far again as that.

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2007-01-31 10:13|| 2007-01-31 10:13|| Front Page Top

#2 Remind me again: What happens to apostates pursuant to Sharia Law?

Posted by Mark Z">Mark Z 2007-01-31 10:41|| 2007-01-31 10:41|| Front Page Top

#3 He's not an apostate, he's a jihadi.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2007-01-31 10:52|| 2007-01-31 10:52|| Front Page Top

#4 AH9418,

I stand corrected. Obama would make the perfect mole.

Posted by Mark Z">Mark Z 2007-01-31 11:05|| 2007-01-31 11:05|| Front Page Top

#5 More, dammit! I need more!!
KEEP DIGGING!!!

Posted by Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton 2007-01-31 11:06|| 2007-01-31 11:06|| Front Page Top

#6 Barack Hussein Obama is the Mujahideen Candidate.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2007-01-31 11:11|| 2007-01-31 11:11|| Front Page Top

#7 This is a tempest in a teabag . . . and a trap.

One reason all of this stuff may be appearing now--early in the first inning of the '08 race, is to discredit opposition to this man's candidacy. Methinks someone is trying to establish the meme that anyone who doesn't want to vote for Obama! must be doing so because of irrational anti-black or anti-Muslim prejudice--and get people baited into calling him "jihadi"* in comment threads.

I'm not going to vote for Obama because he's in favor of cutting and running from the WoT, because he's pro abortion, because he wants to raise taxes, because he's inexperienced--for many reasons of substance. I don't care what his parents identified him as on a school registration form in 1960-something in Indonesia, what color God painted him, or what his double-great grandpa's position on interfaith dialogue and the free coinage of silver was, none of it's relevant. If the meme catches hold that opposition to Obama! is based solely in prejudice, enough people who are otherwise persuadable to vote against him might vote for him for the wrong reasons (that is, out of disgust with the perceived anti-Obama yokels) that he wins.

Please do your part to prevent that from happening.

*Pet peeve: it bothers me that a lot of people hereabouts are too quick to make categorical judgments about Moslems based on the irrationality of the Wahabbists. Those Iraqi police and troops who are fighting alongside us are Moslems. So are the Afghans. So's Omar who blogs at "Iraq the Model." So's the guy who walked ten miles to tell us where to find Jessica Lynch. So's Ayaan Hirsi Ali. These people are on your side, and most of 'em are taking very real risks to stand with us. Do you think it's a good idea to trash-talk your allies?

Posted by Mike 2007-01-31 11:17|| 2007-01-31 11:17|| Front Page Top

#8 A ninth suspect has been arrested by police investigating an alleged Iraq-style kidnapping and beheading plot in the UK.

Those that help in the WOT should be commended. Well, there is this side of the story too. I would like to hear more about the Muslim contribution to fight the WOT.

Posted by JohnQC 2007-01-31 11:26|| 2007-01-31 11:26|| Front Page Top

#9 Hear, hear, Mike. Very well stated.

While I'm the first to question any Muslim's run for office here, we need to protest him based upon the issues. Not something that happened to him as a kid almost 40 years ago. Same thing could be said (on our side of the aisle) of Mitt Romney to a lesser extent (a Mormon). Jeebus, while I think Mormon's are a cult themselves, I find myself wholesale agreeing with almost every stance Romney takes. And, he's doin' it in Taxachusetts for Pete's sake.

Same could be said for a Muslim runnin' for office. If there's one out there who wants to take the war to the jihadis, lower taxes, cut spending, believes in the Constitution (not "interpretations" of it), etc., I'd wholesale vote for him/her. It's the issues, stupid™!

Posted by BA 2007-01-31 11:26|| 2007-01-31 11:26|| Front Page Top

#10 Mike,

You're right. I have made a categorical judgment about muslims and islam. My judgement is well founded. I've been paying attention since 9-11.

I don't trust muslims because I've learned a thing or three about islam since 9-11.

Were I serving in Iraq next to members of the Iraqi army or Iraqi police, would I trust them? No. Were I serving in Afghanistan next to members of the Afghan army, would I trust them? No.

You mention Omar, Hirsi Ali, and the "guy" that tipped us off about Miss Lynch. If you tried real hard you might name another four or five "muslims" off the top of your head that are deemed "moderate". But I'll bet not many more than that. BTW, are Omar, Hirsi Ali, and the other "guy" really moderate muslims? Or maybe they're just muslim in name only. Omar keeps a low profile. Hirsi Ali has bodyguards. There is a reason for that.

I'll concede this to you Mike: Obama should be judged on the issues. We both agree that neither of us will be voting for him. I agree with your assessment of Obama on the issues.

But when I find out that somebody, anybody, has islam in their background they don't get a pass. They won't be given the benefit of the doubt from me.

Call it islamophobia if you want too. I don't care. I think my approach is quite healthy and not irrational.

Posted by Mark Z">Mark Z 2007-01-31 12:39|| 2007-01-31 12:39|| Front Page Top

#11 I wonder who is playing who here. The last thing we need is another Keith Ellison. That being said I could see both sides playing this one.

My pet peeve:

Pet peeve: it bothers me that a lot of people hereabouts are too quick to make categorical judgments about Moslems based on the irrationality of the Wahabbists

Right. So the moderate followers of a desert cult that requires our enslavement, death or conversion are just peachy? You have got to be fuvking kidding. Do yourself a favor and read Islam's own historical references regarding Muhammad's terrorism which are the foundation this death cult.

I just hope you're kidding or file this under WTF? comment of the day.

Posted by Icerigger 2007-01-31 12:49|| 2007-01-31 12:49|| Front Page Top

#12 Hey, Justice. You been in Florida lately? Up around Ocala way?

Cops believe goat may have been sexually assaulted

CRESTVIEW A female goat might have been sexually assaulted and killed Saturday near the Okaloosa-Walton county line, according to lawmen and the Panhandle Animal Welfare Society.

PAWS director of animal services, Dee Thompson-Poirrier, described the crime scene off U.S. Highway 90 as brutal.

The goats death was suspicious, but there was no evidence it was the victim of a ritualistic animal sacrifice, she said.

The incident was reported by the goats owners, a Crestview couple, according to authorities. They couldnt be reached for comment Monday.

Responders used a rape kit provided by the Okaloosa County Sheriffs Office to preserve evi-dence in line with crime-scene standards.

It was the only clean way we knew of to get a specimen, Thompson-Poirrier said.

Semen was found inside the goat, but PAWS was still trying to find a laboratory that could quickly process the sample because the Florida Department of Law Enforcement is backlogged.

Though the semen hasnt been proven as human, Thompson-Poirrier and a veterinarian who examined the goat want the semen tested and compared to the states convicted-felon database.

The goat owner does not have male goats (anymore), Thompson-Poirrier said. She added the large goat was pregnant.

It has since been necropsied, and tissue samples, which should help determine a cause of death, were taken. The goat will be cremated.

A human suspect has been tentatively identified but police havent made an arrest yet, according to Thompson-Poirrier and lawmen.

She said the incident, which would be a felony because the animal died, is being taken seriously. Were concerned that an individual who can do this can escalate into doing something worse, she said.

Posted by tu3031 2007-01-31 13:36|| 2007-01-31 13:36|| Front Page Top

#13 We cannot take the chance if there is any legitimate concern about his faith, and mindset, etc. etc.... My opposition to him has been his lefty politix, so this debate is of no concern to me, but those who are inclined to vote for him may want to check out someone else if questions about his background, education, and mindset continue to manifest themselves.

Posted by BigEd 2007-01-31 13:39|| 2007-01-31 13:39|| Front Page Top

#14 Nah. It was a female goat, so I doubt it was you.

Posted by tu3031 2007-01-31 13:44|| 2007-01-31 13:44|| Front Page Top

#15 While I hate feeding trolls, I don't believe there is a "32nd" Airborne for the U.S. Of course, that could be arranged, if needed, troll.

Posted by BA 2007-01-31 14:00|| 2007-01-31 14:00|| Front Page Top

#16 W.A.S.P.?
*chuckle*
I havent heard that since the late 90's.
Must be some kind of anarchist r-tard or something.
Usually the kind of person that has a Kill Bush bumper sticker on one side of his subaru and a Peace/Love sticker on the other side.
*Sigh*

Your kind would be the first ones put to the sword by the hordes of invading muslim barbarians my mixed up little friend.

Posted by Bigjim-ky 2007-01-31 14:02|| 2007-01-31 14:02|| Front Page Top

#17 He would like to be part of those invading hordes, Bigjim-ky, but clearly he doesn't even meet the low standards necessary to be a suicide bomber.

Posted by trailing wife 2007-01-31 14:11|| 2007-01-31 14:11|| Front Page Top

#18 Mark, Ice, for the record, I do not accept the truth claims of Islam, I am well aware of the history thereof, and I yield to no man in my desire to see Islamofascism put out of business. I've been hanging out here in the 'Burg ever since Fred first enabled comments, so I think I've got the track record to back that comment up. That is to say, I believe we're all on the same side here. (JRTS* excepted, of course.)

It is an objective fact that we have Moslem allies, including the government of Iraq. I do not know if a majority of Moslems are on our side, or persuadable to be onm our side, or not, and neither do you; whatever the opinion poll would break down to, there are a non-trival number of Moslems who are on our side, many in places where being on our side can get you killed. I don't think it's a good idea to categorically insult your allies. (If all Moslems were uniformly evil, the only rational thing to do in Iraq would be to pull a Ted Kennedy on 'em and bail out like we did on South Vietnam.)

Let's put it this way: in this next election, the Dems will be campaigning on an implied premise that there is no WoT and we should go back to September 10, 2001. That is a powerfully comforting to a lot of people. If we on the Right live down to the straw-man caricature that the political Left likes to draw of us,** it will repel more people than it attracts to our cause, and we'll lose the election. It'll be 9/10/01 again, until the next big thing--except next time, we won't lose a skyscraper, we'll lose a city.

I don't want that, and neither do you.

*Proof that Murphy's Law applies in all jurisdictions: I post a comment saying that not all Moslems are lowlifes, and a self-identified Moslem comes along and does all he can to prove me wrong. Sheesh.

**You know, racist, stupid, trying to scare people, afraid of the nonexistent terrorists, et cetera, et cetera.

Posted by Mike 2007-01-31 14:20|| 2007-01-31 14:20|| Front Page Top

#19 You're right. I have made a categorical judgment about muslims and islam. My judgement is well founded. I've been paying attention since 9-11.

That's DAMN right. You have a brain, and a self-preservation instinct. So do I.

Posted by mcsegeek1 2007-01-31 15:04|| 2007-01-31 15:04|| Front Page Top

#20 BTW, are Omar, Hirsi Ali, and the other "guy" really moderate muslims?

You bring up a good point. Hirsi Ali makes no bones about it, she states she is an atheist. Hard to argue with that. I think that most "Muslims" that can be reliably identified as moderate, are in fact probably apostate.

Posted by Chuck Darwin 2007-01-31 15:35|| 2007-01-31 15:35|| Front Page Top

#21 Actually, there may be very simple explanations for this that has nothing to do with Obama being a real muslim.

For starters, this could be a registration ploy to ensure that Obama got into the school. A catholic school would be more inclined to admit a muslim and maybe give them a price break given that the prime mission of the school would be to lead people to Jesus and catholicism. My understanding is that his dad (stepfather?) was a Muslim, so maybe they defaulted to the religion of the father.

I agree with mike in this: I oppose Obama for strictly practical and objective reasons. Liberals and lefties that want him to be elected DON'T want those reasons to be enumerated, so they'll fabricate accusations of racism and such to ensure that we don't get an audience. In a fair intellectual fight, lefties never win, so they have to fight dirty.

I am rather amused at how some commentators here are somewhat a-religious, and think that religious categories of moderate, conservative, fundamentalist, dispensationalist, and liberal when it comes to religion dictates the same objective behavior. They don't. Rather these categories refer to the relationship the individual has with respect to the core scripture of their religion. A liberal ALWAYS includes processes and facts outside of the scripture to interpret the scripture. A Conservative usually uses tradition to guide interpretation of the scripture. A fundamentalist literally reads the text, while a moderate picks and chooses which texts to interpret literally and which to interpret figuratively. A dispensationalist interprets the text in accordance to its historical chronological appearance.

These are ways to interpret the text, and they are found in ALL religions, jewish, muslim, buddhist, Hindu, and Christian. However, THE TEXTS BEING INTERPRETED DIFFER. A fundamentalist Muslim will be a Jihadist, but a fundamentalist Hindu will not in order to avoid taking life. A fundamentalist Bhuddist will be a strict pacifist. A Fundamentalist Jew will support the IDF in preserving israel, support annexing gaza and the west bank, but oppose Israel annexing Tahiti on the grounds that G-d did not give Tahiti to the Children of Israel. A fundamentalist Christian actually has nothing to say about national war at all, but will oppose christians taking personal revenge against individuals.

Posted by Ptah">Ptah 2007-01-31 16:02|| http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org]">[http://www.crusaderwarcollege.org] 2007-01-31 16:02|| Front Page Top

#22 Tu man, Crestview is over in the panhandle, a little bit south of Alabama and north of Fort Walton. Sandy loam farm country. Bob Sikes HeCoon hellhole zone.

Posted by Shipman 2007-01-31 16:27|| 2007-01-31 16:27|| Front Page Top

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