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2006-12-28 Europe
Holland's Post-Secular Future
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Posted by anonymous2u 2006-12-28 02:33|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 "Post secular" presumes that the post-modern, secular-fundamentalist, class of '68er's don't destroy (or allow to be destroyed) the world first.
Posted by no mo uro 2006-12-28 06:43||   2006-12-28 06:43|| Front Page Top

#2 Two quotes from the article show why this is not necessarily the unalloyed positive step it seems:

The reason the Christian population of Holland has stopped shrinking and is likely to avoid further decline is a phenomenon that until now has been largely overlooked by commentators on Dutch politics and society: Christian immigration. Analysts usually focus on the one million Muslim immigrants and their offspring who have made the Netherlands their home since the early 1950s. But in the past decade, Muslim immigration has been overtaken by a larger stream of immigrants, namely Christians from Africa, Asia, the Americas, and Europe. An SCP estimate puts the number of Christian immigrants in Holland at around 700,000-- and rising fast. Recent immigration reports suggest that for every new Muslim moving to Holland, there are at least two new Christian immigrants.

While Dutch Christianity is making the move from church buildings to living rooms, sports centers, and factory halls, Dutch Islam is moving in the opposite direction. At the Kostverlorenvaart in the Amsterdam suburb of De Baarsjes, the foundations are being laid for a new mosque, with a 110-foot-high dome and 140-foot-high minarets. "We don't want to pray in basements and school buildings anymore. We want a proper mosque," is how Fatih Dag explains the idea behind this project. Dag is chairman of the board of the local Aya Sofia Mosque. He says he understands local objections to the scale of the project: "Of course, if I were living in Turkey and people wanted a big new church next to my house, I might object too. But the fact is that we are here, and we're here to stay. And we want a place to worship." Indeed, in all major towns in Holland, building projects are under way for the construction of supersized mosques.


The Atlantic (only two ΒΆ free) had an article claiming the 21st century would be dominated by a robust Christianity from the southern Hemisphere overwhelming Islam and incorporating Northern Christianity. The decision of Episcopalian congregations which claimed George Washington as vestryman to place themselves under the authority of a Nigerian bishop is also, perhaps, a precurssor of such a monumental transition.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-12-28 08:30||   2006-12-28 08:30|| Front Page Top

#3 If the kids go to church, they'll take their kids, and the article alluded (?) that Holland's stricter immigration control has cut down on muslims.
Posted by anonymous2u 2006-12-28 10:35||   2006-12-28 10:35|| Front Page Top

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