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2006-12-13 -Short Attention Span Theater-

Regional N-war could spark climate change

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Posted by Fred 2006-12-13 00:00|| || Front Page|| [5 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 FREEREPUBLIC.com > Scientists' forecastings/
predictions differens on severity of new Solar sunspot cycle.

Posted by JosephMendiola 2006-12-13 00:10|| 2006-12-13 00:10|| Front Page Top

#2 They also say one above ground bomb could cause horrible climate change.... Seems they have no record of pre-testban days. And the bomb they said could do it was nothing at all like the Tsar bomb... so... something smells...

Posted by 3dc 2006-12-13 00:14|| 2006-12-13 00:14|| Front Page Top

#3 using supercomputing analysis not available two decades ago, the team calculated a devastating impact from the exchange of 100 nuclear weapons

The holy computer oracle.

Posted by gromgoru 2006-12-13 00:50|| 2006-12-13 00:50|| Front Page Top

#4 Now I know I'm getting old. Nuclear Winter is coming round again.

Posted by Grunter 2006-12-13 01:31|| 2006-12-13 01:31|| Front Page Top

#5 Ima thinking the immediate concern would be devastating terrain changes.

Posted by SteveS 2006-12-13 02:03|| 2006-12-13 02:03|| Front Page Top

#6 A few nukes in the major oil fields would cause devastating economic changes worldwide, no supercomputer needed for that.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2006-12-13 02:49|| 2006-12-13 02:49|| Front Page Top

#7 Now I know I'm getting old. Nuclear Winter is coming round again.

Things are shaping up nicely. Just as global warming begins to kill us off there will be a half-dozen or so regional nuclear exchanges to bring the global climate right back into line.

Posted by AzCat 2006-12-13 03:10|| 2006-12-13 03:10|| Front Page Top

#8 It's not that simple, Az Cat, but we're giving it our best shot. Thanks for the vote of confidence.

Posted by Halliburton Global Catastrophe Co-Ordinator 2006-12-13 03:16|| 2006-12-13 03:16|| Front Page Top

#9 Please refrain from raining on my parade but do pass along the location of the prime seats for the end of the world once you've got this all worked out.

Posted by AzCat 2006-12-13 03:19|| 2006-12-13 03:19|| Front Page Top

#10 Azcat, you gave me a Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy flashback moment there. I used to play the tapes from the radio show all the time in my car, and I mean all the time. My girlfriend at the time got so sick of it, she dumped me.

Posted by phil_b 2006-12-13 03:41|| 2006-12-13 03:41|| Front Page Top

#11 Were you wearing your Don't Panic! glasses all the time?

Actually, I think it's cuz wymyns are aliens. She wuz just protecting her identity from anyone who might overhear...
;-)

Posted by .com 2006-12-13 03:54|| 2006-12-13 03:54|| Front Page Top

#12 If 100 nuclear bombs detonate and the vast majority of them are not ours, it will signal a distinct failing of our military doctrine. I doubt that India and Pakistan would exchange that sort of inventory before halting to catch their collective breath. One of the only other alternatives is Israel excercising the Sampson Option and, as mentioned, it would mean that we had rather dramatically failed an important ally. As others have said, subsequent to such an event, climate change would be low on the list of worries.

Posted by Zenster">Zenster 2006-12-13 04:17|| 2006-12-13 04:17|| Front Page Top

#13 No, but I did have a towel immediately to hand.

Posted by phil_b 2006-12-13 05:29|| 2006-12-13 05:29|| Front Page Top

#14 I believe in the Global Warming theory, but these nuclear nightmare scenarios are tailored to promote political agendas. During the Reagan era anti-nuke groups claimed that large nuclear explosions would ignite the Earth, causing burning down to the Mantle. Then everything would go. Didn't believe it then; don't believe the new variations.

Posted by Sneaze Shaiting3550 2006-12-13 05:52|| 2006-12-13 05:52|| Front Page Top

#15 How will the arrival of the great white hankerchief affect global climate?

Posted by Zarquon Pebbles in Blairistan 2006-12-13 06:20|| 2006-12-13 06:20|| Front Page Top

#16 So the Halliburton Global Catastrophe Co-Ordinator is the one person in charge of the Earthquake Division, Tsunami Division, Climate Change Division, Weather Modification Division, and Zionist Death ray Division?

Whoa! Thanks for stopping by! You are one busy dude!

Posted by Bobby 2006-12-13 06:27|| 2006-12-13 06:27|| Front Page Top

#17 If we have Global Warming going on, won't Nuclear Winter kind of cancel it out and bring us to, well, normal? And wouldn't it still be all our fault if it doesn't because we didn't sign Kyoto?

Posted by Swamp Blondie 2006-12-13 07:20|| http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com]">[ http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com] 2006-12-13 07:20|| Front Page Top

#18 ...women, minorities hardest hit.

Posted by tu3031 2006-12-13 08:30|| 2006-12-13 08:30|| Front Page Top

#19 I believe in the Global Warming theory

I believe in the Easter Bunny too.

Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-12-13 08:42|| 2006-12-13 08:42|| Front Page Top

#20 ...I have a suspicion that the folks pushing this one are relying on memories of Carl Sagan's TTAPS study, which said that a full-blown nuclear war would result in a 'nuclear winter' more than capable of exterminating the human race - and which has also since been proven to be one of the greatest scientific hoaxes ever perpetrated. Sagan later admitted that perhaps he'd been a bit overzealous (the original TTAPS computer models assumed EVERY single nuclear weapon ever built detonated at once on a computer modeled Earth that was flat, had no variable winds, and had the same climactic effects at the North Pole as it did at the Equator)but never admitted how far beyond the pale he'd gone to make his point.
The chances of even an Indian-Pakistani war getting to the point where a hundred weapons are let go is a slim one - though admittedly not impossible. Remember that Pakistan is a third-world military dicatorship, and not a particularly well-run or effective one. The first few bombs might go but when an Indian second strike comes back, anything resembling a coherent change of command will be gone - and with it the few officers who know how to launch the damn things. The surviving weapons crews down at the tactical level will most likely be running for their lives. On the Indian side, once bombs start detonating there will be a scond strike, but it won't last long - the Indians are smart and efficient, but they don't have the kind of robust C3 systems needed to fight and win a drawn out nuclear battle. (I also think that on both sides the bombs aren't assembled until just before launch/delivery - nukes lying around are way too tempting to some folks). Personally, if it went past 10-15 weapons detonated between the two, I'd be surprised. The real horror will be the MILLIONS of refugees from the target areas and the political warfare as local strongmen or military commanders try to take national power.

Mike

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2006-12-13 08:57|| 2006-12-13 08:57|| Front Page Top

#21 I believe Cheney should ask this group exactly how many kilotons would be required to offset global warming.

I think they'd shit themselves and then probably reverse their predictions overnight.

Posted by rjschwarz 2006-12-13 11:33|| 2006-12-13 11:33|| Front Page Top

#22 "Nuclear war: the solution to Global Warming" -- this meme has legs.

Posted by Anguper Hupomosing9418 2006-12-13 12:22|| 2006-12-13 12:22|| Front Page Top

#23 When your best case for climate change is to speculate on the potential of nuclear wars, then you might not have a credible argument.

Because if you follow this line of reasoning, George Bush might be able to meet US Kyoto targets by invading Iran.

Posted by john">john 2006-12-13 12:23|| http://john-smokegetsinmyeyes.blogspot.com/]">[http://john-smokegetsinmyeyes.blogspot.com/] 2006-12-13 12:23|| Front Page Top

#24 George Bush might be able to meet US Kyoto targets by invading Iran.

HA!

Posted by RD 2006-12-13 12:28|| 2006-12-13 12:28|| Front Page Top

#25 mcsegeek1:

Why believe in global warming? Snow caps have almost melted on all the high Equatorial mountains. The North Pole ice cap is breaking up. Average recorded temperatures are rising. Polar Bears are adjusting predatory ranges to accomodate climate change. For the first time, Tuna can be caught off Washington State and further north. Sub-species - like frogs - that don't adjust well to climate change are dying off.

Global warming isn't all Al Gore rhetoric. Caveat: we are at a threshold where denial is a political liability.

Posted by Sneaze Shaiting3550 2006-12-13 12:52|| 2006-12-13 12:52|| Front Page Top

#26 Sneaze Shaiting3550, check your facts. I'll not debate the global warming fantasy here. For every anecdotal scrap and pre-concluded "study" the GW folks dredge up, 50 more credible scientifically plausible explanations can attribute it to another cause. If anything, average global temperatures have actually dropped in the last 100 years, not warmed. The problem is regional. We're not talking regions, we're talking "global".

The entire theory is nothing more than a fantasy dreamed up by those who would tax, regulate and control every free society until it conforms to their progressive leftist socialist blueprint. Then, only the elitists would be allowed to have a "carbon footprint", and the rest of us would be relegated to the stone age. To HELL with them and their ilk.

Oh, and to HELL with the idea that not believing in a fantasy is a political liability.

Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-12-13 13:16|| 2006-12-13 13:16|| Front Page Top

#27 But if you insist on evidence it's a fantasy, check here, here, or maybe here.

Or you could just google global warming myths, global warming fantasies, or global warming lies.
All debunked by the way, with REAL science.

Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-12-13 13:23|| 2006-12-13 13:23|| Front Page Top

#28 If I sold you a used car as new, you'd call me a fraud.

If I sold you rewarming as new warming you'd award me a grant.

Posted by Procopius2k 2006-12-13 13:31|| 2006-12-13 13:31|| Front Page Top

#29 Any climate modelers care to put the Kuwait oil fires data into their models? That had to put out many cities worth of soot before the fires were put out several months later. But then, we already know the resultant global climate change (nada).

Posted by ed 2006-12-13 13:41|| 2006-12-13 13:41|| Front Page Top

#30 I put nuclear winter into my globar warming model, and I got a longer nuclear winter, but not as cold, so you prolly will need to continue mowing your lawn, or if in California, shearing your sheep.
One interesting result will be the migration of Imams to (you guessed it) California.

Posted by wxjames 2006-12-13 14:50|| 2006-12-13 14:50|| Front Page Top

#31 I think climate change will be of huge importance to a majority of Americans should a conflict like this happen (NOT likely!) especially if it occurs in the Northern Hemisphere.

The link below is a talk from one of the researchers that is referenced in the article. I didn't hear anything about "Global Warming" nor anything resembling a single N creating horrible climate change.

Consequences of Regional Scale Nuclear Conflicts

You will need Real Player to view the talk (decent bandwidth and an hour of your time as well).

Posted by Gir 2006-12-13 15:14|| 2006-12-13 15:14|| Front Page Top

#32 There is a reason why Greenland got the name "Green-land" around the beginning of the last millinium.

"Global warming" is nothing new. The planet is still coming out of the last major ice age, and the planetry heat engine is still readjusting.

Posted by anymouse">anymouse 2006-12-13 17:58|| 2006-12-13 17:58|| Front Page Top

#33 If we have Global Warming going on, won't Nuclear Winter kind of cancel it out and bring us to, well, normal?

Projections from another supercomputer model clearly show that nuclear winter will take place on Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. Global warming on Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday. Sunday will be wintery on even days and too hot on odd days. During leap years ...

Posted by DMFD 2006-12-13 20:02|| 2006-12-13 20:02|| Front Page Top

#34 Hope not, DMFD. That kind of temperature change is hell on the Tsar's sinuses. ;)

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