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2006-10-29 Home Front: WoT
Survey Conducted At 2006 ISNA Convention
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Posted by ed 2006-10-29 08:56|| || Front Page|| [11126 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 They don't even admit that there is a problem.
Probably those damned Jooooos making them look bad.
Posted by bigjim-ky 2006-10-29 09:20||   2006-10-29 09:20|| Front Page Top

#2 denial won't absolve them of cultural culpability. Muslim first is all you need to know
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-10-29 09:47||   2006-10-29 09:47|| Front Page Top

#3 It's really the combination of these two that poses the problem:
2. Do you consider yourself to be a Muslim first, an American first, or both equally?

MUSLIM FIRST 214
AMERICAN FIRST 4
BOTH EQUALLY 86
UNDECIDED 3

3. Is the American government at war with the religion of Islam?

YES 208
NO 79
UNDECIDED 20
If the vast majority of them consider themselves Muslims first and Americans only second, AND if they also consider America to be at war with Islam, then it follows that the vast majority of American Muslims consider themselves (for our purposes, anyway) at war with America.

Frankly, I think we ought to treat them that way. "Moderate Muslims", my ass...

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D.  2006-10-29 10:38||   2006-10-29 10:38|| Front Page Top

#4 The survey results don't suprise me much.

Muzzy First™ - 214 told the truth, 93 lied.

I wish to note 2 things:

1) It would have been interesting to follow-up #'s 5, 9, 10, 11 (and a host of others with fun variations) with something like:
Did they ask for it?
or
Did they have it coming?

2) 43rd Annual Convention. Shoulda stopped at 38th.
Posted by .com 2006-10-29 10:46||   2006-10-29 10:46|| Front Page Top

#5 If Islam was once a peace loving culture now it is no longer the case. The total derailment by the radical clearics is near complete. The answers about the government knowing and conspiring is no real news, just ask our friends on the far left.

Question number two is surprising. 86 people is amazingly high. I would venture to guess the number would be in the single didget if the same question was asked at Mass or even in church at West Point. Any reasonable responce by a believer would be my god, my family, my country and in that order.
Posted by 49 Pan">49 Pan  2006-10-29 10:50||   2006-10-29 10:50|| Front Page Top

#6 Well, at least this is encouraging:

16. Do you believe that your local mosque is being monitored by wiretaps, government agents, or informants?
YES 227
NO 59
UNDECIDED 21

17. Do you believe that your personal phone calls are being listened to, or that your personal mail or email is being read, by the U.S. government?
YES 205
NO 78
UNDECIDED 24
Posted by Darrell 2006-10-29 10:58||   2006-10-29 10:58|| Front Page Top

#7 Why isn't this printed in NY Slimes ? When can deportations begin ?
Posted by SpecOp35 2006-10-29 10:58||   2006-10-29 10:58|| Front Page Top

#8 a disconnect that we all have noticed is documented here:

12. Is Al Qaeda a real organization, operated by Muslims who are trying to attack America?
YES 149
NO 109
UNDECIDED 49

13. Is Al Qaeda attacking America because Al Qaeda hates American freedoms?
YES 17
NO 269
UNDECIDED 21

14. Is Al Qaeda attacking America because Al Qaeda hates American involvement in the Muslim world?
YES 228
NO 54
UNDECIDED 25
Posted by J.D. Lux 2006-10-29 11:07||   2006-10-29 11:07|| Front Page Top

#9 3. Is the American government at war with the religion of Islam?
YES 208
NO 79
UNDECIDED 20

Well, to quots a favorite TV character:

"Shiny. Let's be bad guys."
Posted by mojo">mojo  2006-10-29 11:13||   2006-10-29 11:13|| Front Page Top

#10 Family, Country.
Gawd don't need me.
Posted by Shipman 2006-10-29 11:42||   2006-10-29 11:42|| Front Page Top

#11 Does anyone know how well this group represents American Muslims? Is this group the American Muslim equivelent of Code Pink?

If it is, then this survey is actually good news, since these results are less extreme than results found on the KOS KIDS, DU etc.

Since this is not a scientific survey, I would view it as only the views of a certain segment of activists.

Al
Posted by Frozen Al 2006-10-29 13:36||   2006-10-29 13:36|| Front Page Top

#12 2. Do you consider yourself to be a Muslim first, an American first, or both equally?
MUSLIM FIRST 214
AMERICAN FIRST 4
BOTH EQUALLY 86
UNDECIDED 3

How would most Christians would answer this? Would the majority of Christians give up on Christianity in the name of America? Certainly not the Christians I know.

#2 is not the key, #4 is:

4. Can a good Muslim be a good American?
YES 292
NO 11
UNDECIDED 4
Posted by Stzzo 2006-10-29 13:45||   2006-10-29 13:45|| Front Page Top

#13 Too bad they didn't have a suicide bomber display there. They could have done demo's.
Posted by Hupineting Phase2669 2006-10-29 18:02||   2006-10-29 18:02|| Front Page Top

#14 The poll results are not surprising to me, and to surprise everyone here, if in the 1850s, a poll of Irish immigrants (potato famine), had been conducted with questions concerning Catholicism and their loyalty to the US, their answers would be very similar.

1) Do you consider yourself a Catholic first or an American first?
2) Is the American government at war with the religion of Catholicism?
3) Can a good Catholic be a good American?

Now, despite the belief that No Irish Need Apply was commonplace in the US, it was generally not the case; but ghetto-ization did keep the Irish from assimilating into the US as quickly as they could have.

So up unto almost World War II, the Irish were "Irish first, Catholic second, and then American."

This did not mean that they were anti-American. But in tightly-knit communities, with a distinct ethnic leadership and religious caste, affiliation for one's "own" people is much higher than for outsiders.
Posted by Anonymoose 2006-10-29 18:25||   2006-10-29 18:25|| Front Page Top

#15 Muslim First? I have no problem with that. But what KIND of Mulsim is whats important. Like Catholics, were they Cathoic then Irish then Sinn Fein or the other way around? A lot of the gunners and bombing assholes had thier order wrong, they tended to be communist/socialist and then "Irish" (which they bent way out of any recognizable honorable form), and then whatever leftover parts of Catholicism they could jam in there. Good prevailed int hat peopel eventually came to their sense and chose to be Catholic, then Irish, then all the other political crap.

The Muslims are going to have to face that day, and soon - are they going to allow the murderers racists and thugs to continue to usurp thier religious leadership, or will they finallys tand up and say enough? (I doubt it, but stranger things have happened).


As for me: personally, its God, Family, Country and Job. And in that order too.

Luckily the former isn't at odds with any of the latter. And with family in service and the nature of my work, all the areas are pretty well harmonized.

Posted by OldSpook 2006-10-29 21:59||   2006-10-29 21:59|| Front Page Top

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