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2006-09-17 Olde Tyme Religion

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Posted by anonymous5089 2006-09-17 02:48|| || Front Page|| [11131 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 There isn't any historical evidence that Jesus son of Joseph of Nazareth lived, nor Moses either. Nor the Buddha, nor... Absense of evidence isn't the same as evidence of absense, of course, so let's not worry about the existence or nonexistence of the founders of whichever religion, but on how the religion has developed to our time. And the Ummah are working themselves up for a major slap-down. The only question is whether they will learn from individual lessons like Iraq, Afghanistan, and whatever comes next, or whether (as is looking more and more likely) we will have to erase the Arab world, or even the entire Dar al Islam.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-09-17 05:22|| 2006-09-17 05:22|| Front Page Top

#2 Now you are seeing the undercarrige of the religion of peas.

Posted by newc">newc 2006-09-17 06:07|| 2006-09-17 06:07|| Front Page Top

#3 tw I am sad to say, and I really truly am sad to say, without a bit of joy in me that it is the whole of the islamic world which we will have to deal. We will have to deal with theme in a vary harsh and merciless way. We pretty much have given them plenty of opportunity to show their adaptation to the reality of a world in which they must coexist with the rest of us. They have no apperent intention of doing so. All they do is ask for the impossible. islam is about to walk into the rotating blades of history again.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2006-09-17 06:14|| www.sockpuppetofdoom.com]">[www.sockpuppetofdoom.com] 2006-09-17 06:14|| Front Page Top

#4 As of about 8AM EST Fox News is saying that an Italian nun has been shot to death in Somalia.

RoP, indeed.

Mike

Posted by Mike Kozlowski 2006-09-17 08:01|| 2006-09-17 08:01|| Front Page Top

#5 Religion of peace and tolerance!

Bullshit. Islam can not and will not live in peace with the west and this proves it.
Nuke 'em from orbit. It is the only way to be sure.

Posted by DarthVader">DarthVader 2006-09-17 08:04|| 2006-09-17 08:04|| Front Page Top

#6 I guess its time to armor up and don our tunics. Im a Knight, not a Saint

Posted by Joe of the Jungle 2006-09-17 08:09|| 2006-09-17 08:09|| Front Page Top

#7 Part of the problem is that we keep pulling our punches. The 'primitives' only seem to understand primitive warfare. The West has evolved a sense of warfare, because of the vast destructiveness of its capacity, that is to mitigate destruction and loss of human life. Were two alien species trying to communicate over several hundred light years in distance and social development. Our problem is that, unlike the screaming seething heathens, we have this notion of cultural sin/guilt that makes our society go through all sorts of ritualistic behaviors before we act. To the enemy, that is seen as weakness rather than process. At the same time the ritual political dance within our own culture is creating dynamic stresses to its own structure that those trying desperately to head off the inevitable outcome only make more dangerous by delay.

Posted by Gletle Flegum7716 2006-09-17 08:09|| 2006-09-17 08:09|| Front Page Top

#8 A 17th century text, in the history books, is repeated, and these people get this mad. I hope when the pope gives his apology, it's live for thw world to see, and starts it with "Islam, if the shoe fits".

Posted by plainslow 2006-09-17 08:46|| 2006-09-17 08:46|| Front Page Top

#9 There isn't any historical evidence that Jesus son of Joseph of Nazareth lived...

Actually, I think there is, from Roman documents regarding the administration of Pontius Pilate. Perhaps not by name, but by statements regarding unrest and related events.

Posted by Rob Crawford">Rob Crawford 2006-09-17 08:52|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2006-09-17 08:52|| Front Page Top

#10 GF7716 nails it: part of the problem is that we keep pulling our punches; and I think it's a BIG part of the problem.

The enemy does not understand our restraint, and because he sees it as weakness, it BECOMES weakness. As time goes on, I'm more and more inclined to believe that the best way we could have responded to the attacks on 9/11 would have been to obliterate, that very afternoon, a few dozen military installations throughout the Islamic world using the largest nukes in our arsenal, and then issue an ultimatum: "This shit has gone on long enough. It stops, RIGHT FUCKING NOW, or your cities will be next."

Yes, it would have been brutal, and extravagantly disproportionate. But I suspect that in the end, it would have proven the most humane response because the way things stand now, the Islamic world is pushing us as hard as it can toward a war of total annihilation.

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2006-09-17 09:13|| 2006-09-17 09:13|| Front Page Top

#11 "Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached," Pope Benedict quoted.

Yes, this statement seems absolutely true. So what's NEW that Mohammed preached that hasn't been there before AND that isn't evil or inhuman?

The Somali Muslims just made the pope's argument true, with this death threat and nun killing.

Next the pope should address Muslim's lack of anger control, that's the root problem, it should definalely hit a nerve.

Posted by Jesing Ebbease3087 2006-09-17 09:47|| 2006-09-17 09:47|| Front Page Top

#12 "Somali Cleric Signs Own Death Warrant"

Posted by Redneck Jim 2006-09-17 11:28|| 2006-09-17 11:28|| Front Page Top

#13 Editor, please file under "Gross Stupidity is usualy Fatal"

Posted by Redneck Jim 2006-09-17 11:30|| 2006-09-17 11:30|| Front Page Top

#14 There isn't any historical evidence that Jesus son of Joseph of Nazareth lived...

Actually, I think there is, from Roman documents regarding the administration of Pontius Pilate. Perhaps not by name, but by statements regarding unrest and related events.

To the best of my knowledge, Rob, no there is not. Pontius Pilate was so evil and corrupt that he was eventually recalled by Rome for it, and because of the unrest he caused throughout his area of responsibility. For instance, he had the entire population of a city in Samaria put to the sword because they asked that their tax load be lightened temporarily, sometime before he ordered Jesus crucified. And, while there Josephus mentions John the Baptist by name in his Histories, the only mention of Jesus was clearly added by a Christian copyist sometime in the 4th Century AD. As for unrest, the entire former Herodian kingdom was on one side or the other of the border between unrest and outright rebellion throughout the 1st and 2nd centuries AD. There was that little revolt that led to the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple therein in the 65-73 AD that culminated in the siege of Masada, and Bar Kochba revolt ("Son of the Star", who was proclaimed the Messiah by Rabbi Akiva himself -- somewhat like the Pope pointing to Mr. Wife and pronouncing him "Jesus returned" today) in 125 AD, which resulted in crosses bearing Jewish bodies lining the road from Jerusalem almost the entire way to Rome.

Which, as I said, proves nothing one way or another about Jesus' existence.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-09-17 11:40|| 2006-09-17 11:40|| Front Page Top

#15 Dave D, I'm reminded of Tancredo's remarks about bombing Mecca.

Just as my dad taught me while faced with a group of dangerous folks, you only have two bullets in a 357 magnum, shoot one and say who's next.

Posted by Jan 2006-09-17 12:52|| 2006-09-17 12:52|| Front Page Top

#16 trailing wife, I urge you to watch the superb Frontline documentary, "From Jesus to Christ" (The First Christians). There seems to be quite a lot of credible evidence that Jesus did exist. I will not enter into debate as to whether he was the son of God or any other manifestation of same, but, as Rob Crawford points out, historical records do indeed point towards his having walked this earth.

Good post, Gletle Flegum7716.

As time goes on, I'm more and more inclined to believe that the best way we could have responded to the attacks on 9/11 would have been to obliterate, that very afternoon, a few dozen military installations throughout the Islamic world using the largest nukes in our arsenal, and then issue an ultimatum: "This shit has gone on long enough. It stops, RIGHT FUCKING NOW, or your cities will be next."

Yup, David D.. I wanted Kandahar carpet bombed pour encourager les autres . We really should have done something incredibly disproportionate. Instead, all we've gotten for our restraint is constant pokes in the eye.

Posted by Zenster 2006-09-17 13:36|| 2006-09-17 13:36|| Front Page Top

#17 hmmm....let's see.

I'm no bible scholar but this I do know is recorded fact: Wise men followed a star to go to the birth of Jesus in a stable. We know this modern astronomy indicates that such a star would have been in the sky. We also know that wise men went to seek the birth of the king that was prophesied. We know this because history records that Herod asked the wise men to return to him and tell him where the baby was - but they did not. Herod then killed all the first born males under 3. History and Astronmy does record that the star was in the sky and that Herod killed the males.

You don't need to be religious to find it interesting that wise men followed a star to the baby Jesus, Herod killed all children under 3 and then amazingly, that particular child became the most influential child born until Mohammed's birth. Imagine the odds of that.

When Christ died on the cross, there was an earthquake that destroyed the temple. That's a historical fact. Imagine the odds of that.

Posted by tired 2006-09-17 13:58|| 2006-09-17 13:58|| Front Page Top

#18 Happy Easter The Case for Christ's Existence

You might recall Luigi Cascioli, an Italian atheist who brought a stunning lawsuit against a local priest. According to Cascioli, in claiming that Jesus was born of Mary and lived in ancient Palestine, the priest was perpetuating a falsehood. You see, Cascioli insists that Jesus never actually existed.

In This Article...
The Scriptural Evidence
The Early Christian Evidence
The Non-Christian Evidence
(..., rest at link).

Posted by anonymous5089 2006-09-17 14:10|| 2006-09-17 14:10|| Front Page Top

#19 Uh, no.

The temple was destroyed in 72 AD by the Romans.

(After, of course, the various militant groups in the beseiged Jerusalem had spent much more effort fighting each other than they did fighting the Romans. It's one of the major reasons they lost. It happened to them, and it can happen to us too. All the signs are there.)

Posted by Phil 2006-09-17 14:14|| 2006-09-17 14:14|| Front Page Top

#20 Ya all got sidetracked.
What about a nasty cleric in a failed state threatening to unleash murder with hell for a backlash.

Let's be honest. Would anybody really miss it if Somali disappeared from the face of the earth?

Posted by 3dc 2006-09-17 14:22|| 2006-09-17 14:22|| Front Page Top

#21 Ya all got sidetracked.

That's very unusual here, isn't it?

Posted by anonymous5089 2006-09-17 14:27|| 2006-09-17 14:27|| Front Page Top

#22 "There isn't any historical evidence that Jesus son of Joseph of Nazareth lived"

TW, my dear, you know the last thing I would want to do is argue with you, but there is quite a bit of historical evidence, outside of Christianity, that Jesus indeed lived. The most important evidence though, is that Christians completely changed the social, political and religious landscape of the Roman empire within a few short decades after his death. If they could do so based upon a fictitious person, I'd find that very hard to believe. Some evidence here.

Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-09-17 14:29|| 2006-09-17 14:29|| Front Page Top

#23 That's very unusual here, isn't it?

Quite unusual, really. Especially when you consider how steam locomotives forever changed the landscape of modern civilization. I mean, if God had meant man to fly, He would never have given us the railroads.

Posted by Zenster 2006-09-17 14:41|| 2006-09-17 14:41|| Front Page Top

#24 Quit feeding people who want to kill us. Quit giving these people electicity generators. Quit providing these people with water treatment. Quit shipping our tax dollars to provide this these people with things allah will not. Quit importing thousands of them into the US each year. Quarantine, hunger and cholera is their future.

Posted by ed 2006-09-17 16:31|| 2006-09-17 16:31|| Front Page Top

#25 Kill the pope? We nuke Mecca. Go ahead, make my day.

Posted by Old Patriot">Old Patriot 2006-09-17 18:21|| http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]">[http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/] 2006-09-17 18:21|| Front Page Top

#26 With apologies, Old Patriot, but you're coming across like the South Park underpants gnomes:

Phase 1) ~~Collect underpants~~ Kill Pope

Phase 2) ...

Phase 3 ~~Profits~~ We nuke Mecca

Please explain Phase 2.

Posted by Zenster 2006-09-17 18:51|| 2006-09-17 18:51|| Front Page Top

#27 The Problem is if they killed the Pope we would in reality do nothing. It would be attributed to a lone killer and a law enforcement problem.

We really need to get a grip on things as a civilization,

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2006-09-17 19:34|| www.sockpuppetofdoom.com]">[www.sockpuppetofdoom.com] 2006-09-17 19:34|| Front Page Top

#28 The Problem is if they killed the Pope we would in reality do nothing. It would be attributed to a lone killer and a law enforcement problem.

SPoD, I think that we have progressed beyond that point. The last would-be Pope assassin had a much higher level of plausible deniability. If a Muslim does indeed murder Pope Benedict, there will be no way on earth that this cretin will not declare his act to be the will of Allah. (If in doubt, please refer to my posts about how Islam will forever overreach itself.)

We are not quite so low on the stupidity ladder anymore. Instead of being on the tenth and bottommost rung, we have attained unhearlded new heights and are now on rung number nine of Stupidity Hell.

Between Islam's inescapable exultation and what is sure to be a boatload of forensic analysis, it will be patently obvious that a Muslim did indeed commit this murder.

Personally, against my own desires, I doubt that this will trigger full scale religious war. What it will do is forever rip the mask of benignity from Islam. This shall represent but one small incremental step in polarizing this world to such a degree that the tipping point will finally be reached.

I dread to think what devastatingly heinous atrocity it will require for this planet to wake up and realize what Islam intends for it. I only know it will likely dwarf 9-11 to subatomic proportions.

Posted by Zenster 2006-09-17 20:16|| 2006-09-17 20:16|| Front Page Top

#29 "I dread to think what devastatingly heinous atrocity it will require for this planet to wake up and realize what Islam intends for it. I only know it will likely dwarf 9-11 to subatomic proportions."

That's the question, isn't it: what's it going to take? 9/11, 3/11, 7/7, Bali, Beslan, etc. clearly were not enough to wake up more than a fraction of us for more than a few months.

How many of our cities are going to be sacrificed on the alter of political correctness and warmfuzzymulticultidiversityfeelgoodness, before we fucking GET IT??? Will it only take one American or European city, disappearing in a blinding flash, before we figure out that Islam is absolutely, utterly, irredeemably evil? Two? Five? Ten?

Posted by Dave D.">Dave D. 2006-09-17 20:30|| 2006-09-17 20:30|| Front Page Top

#30 Or will all the empty people who simply cannot stomach the idea of the Christianity or Judaism of their ancestors find "true solace" in Islam?

The Christian ideal has not been tried and found wanting. It has been found difficult; and left untried. -- Chesterton

Posted by lotp 2006-09-17 20:39|| 2006-09-17 20:39|| Front Page Top

#31 And while I'm on Chesterton, this from The Dagger With Wings. Quite relevant to the modern relativist.

'You do believe it,' he said. 'You do believe everything. We all believe everything, even when we deny everything. The denyers believe. The unbelievers believe. Don't you feel in your heart that these contradictions do not really contradict: that there is a cosmos that contains them all? The soul goes round upon a wheel of stars and all things return; perhaps Strake and I have striven in many shapes, beast against beast and bird against bird, and perhaps we shall strive for ever. But since we seek and need each other, even that eternal hatred is an eternal love. Good and evil go round in a wheel that is one thing and not many. Do you not realize in your heart, do you not believe behind all your beliefs, that there is but one reality and we are its shadows; and that all things are but aspects of one thing: a centre where men melt into Man and Man into God?'

'No,' said Father Brown.

Posted by lotp 2006-09-17 20:41|| 2006-09-17 20:41|| Front Page Top

#32 "Or will all the empty people who simply cannot stomach the idea of the Christianity or Judaism of their ancestors find "true solace" in Islam?"

It may be this thought that scares me so much about the moonbats.

Posted by J.D. Lux 2006-09-17 20:45|| 2006-09-17 20:45|| Front Page Top

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