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2006-08-10 Israel-Palestine-Jordan
IDF awaits PM's green light to invade
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Posted by Fred 2006-08-10 00:00|| || Front Page|| [11126 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Hez will never stop. Everyone knows this. Freshly armed and on their knees to Iran?

Green Light GO.

If you are a Jump refusal, you will be terminated.
Posted by newc">newc  2006-08-10 00:22||   2006-08-10 00:22|| Front Page Top

#2 The're waiting for him to say "Simon says" maybe? Blast 'em! And don't apologize.
Posted by gorb 2006-08-10 01:07||   2006-08-10 01:07|| Front Page Top

#3 I will not apologize.
Posted by newc">newc  2006-08-10 01:11||   2006-08-10 01:11|| Front Page Top

#4 06:09 Cabinet suspends Lebanon offensive to give UN time to end the crisis (Haaretz)
Posted by Clerert Uneamp2772 2006-08-10 01:23||   2006-08-10 01:23|| Front Page Top

#5 This is what happens when you vote LLL. Remember this in 06' and dont make the same mistake.

The Israeli pop is paying the price of their misguided vote now. And starting to wake the f*ck up.

Link 1

Link 2

Thier is a big difference between talkin about pulling the trigger and actually pulling a trigger. The guy who usually threaten to hit you wont and is really just trying to get out of having to hit you. The guy you gotta watch out for is the quit guy who dont say nothing just up and bust you upside the head.

Learn to post links, C-Low. You're busting the page. Next time, I wipe 'em
Posted by C-Low 2006-08-10 01:24||   2006-08-10 01:24|| Front Page Top

#6 

Report: IDF soldiers take up positions on a strategic hill overlooking Litani River




Israeli troops, backed by tanks and armored vehicles, entered the key south Lebanese town of Marjayoun early Thursday hours after the Israeli cabinet approved a plan to expand a ground offensive in Lebanon, residents said.
After taking Marjayoun, Israeli soldiers moved to the nearby village of Blatt where they took up positions on a strategic hill overlooking the Litani River valley, witnesses said. (AP)

desinformaton abound
Posted by Clerert Uneamp2772 2006-08-10 01:25||   2006-08-10 01:25|| Front Page Top

#7 Smells to me like there must have been a call from Rice telling them to delay. I don't think they would do this voluntarily. We (US) are going to screw the pooch yet, just like in Iraq. Anytime we don't apply max force as soon as possible, it's a mistake.
Posted by SOP35/Rat 2006-08-10 01:40||   2006-08-10 01:40|| Front Page Top

#8 Yes, only way to deal with terrorists is maximum force and maximum speed with no talk and no pity.
Posted by leroidavid">leroidavid  2006-08-10 01:49||   2006-08-10 01:49|| Front Page Top

#9 The time is ripe for a new William T Sherman. March ACROSS the litani and straight up the Bekka, making all of Lebanon AND Syria HOWL.

What is the worst that could happen? A un statement calling you names?
Posted by Robjack">Robjack  2006-08-10 01:57||   2006-08-10 01:57|| Front Page Top

#10 The fact that the Israeli authorities are delaying the attack, or at least say so, is very strange: it's as if there weren't 150 rockets blowing Israeli towns each day!

Look at this (FoxNews):

Israel is still working for a diplomatic solution, preferably in the Security Council.(...)

Other officials said privately that the offensive was aimed at pushing the Security Council to take fast action.

The Jerusalem Post has a good analysis by wellknown Uri Dan :

This is the first war waged by Israel during which at least part of the cabinet is talking as if it hopes an imposed cease-fire agreement will end the war.

But the writing - in blood and fire - is on the wall. Our national future hangs in the balance. It is entirely possible we will not get another chance to defend ourselves.

I pray that my pessimism is mistaken.

In every previous war Israel did its best to fight up to the last moment, up to the cease-fires that were forced on it. That is what David Ben-Gurion did in the War of Independence; what Moshe Dayan as chief of staff did in the Sinai Campaign of 1956; and what Yitzhak Rabin as chief of staff and Dayan as minister of defense did in 1967.

And the strinking conclusion:

I have this to say to the government: If you do not bomb Hizbullah to kingdom come now, you will have lost the right to blame the allies of World War II for not bombing Auschwitz.
Posted by leroidavid">leroidavid  2006-08-10 02:04||   2006-08-10 02:04|| Front Page Top

#11 Yep...I smell Foggy Bottom in this....why the hell wait? Although...reports continue of major troop movements. Watch the hand, not the mouth.
Posted by Rex Mundi 2006-08-10 02:05||   2006-08-10 02:05|| Front Page Top

#12 And there is this strange US declaration:

U.S. says opposes Israel`s `escalation` of violence in Lebanon (AP)

Is this more disinformation ?

It has to be, logically, since Bush wants the Hezbonuts dead.
Posted by leroidavid">leroidavid  2006-08-10 02:12||   2006-08-10 02:12|| Front Page Top

#13 Hope you're right, Rex, and that Olmert's Hamlet routine is disinformation. But I think he just doesn't have the stones to do what must be done, and is hoping a cease-fire resolution acceptable to the U.S. will relieve him of the responsibility of a painful decision.

It's a decision the west in general, as well as Israel, faces with respect to Iran: hundreds or thousands of troops perish soon or hundreds of thousands or millions of civilians are slaughtered in our streets later.
Posted by Kirk 2006-08-10 02:21||   2006-08-10 02:21|| Front Page Top

#14 Olmert should not bother about the UN, but remember what Golda Meir said:

"We prefer to be alive and criticized by the whole world, than to be dead and approved by the whole world"
Posted by leroidavid">leroidavid  2006-08-10 02:35||   2006-08-10 02:35|| Front Page Top

#15 
#12 Is this more disinformation ?

Nope. It's USDS mouthing off without asking their elected officials opinion.
Posted by gromgoru 2006-08-10 03:24||   2006-08-10 03:24|| Front Page Top

#16 I can't understand how the Israeli government works and thinks.

Haaretz is reporting that Shimon Peres, who abstained Wednesday for the vote on a broadened attack, explained that:

"he did not support the move because it has already forfeited the element of surprise, may involve numerous fatalities and would endanger Israel's relations with Arab and Muslim states"

I usually don't swear, but, !#@§*!, what the !&%¤#! is he talking about ?

Israel is attacked by Arabomuslim genocidal terrorists, and he is concerned about "Israel's relations with Arab and Muslim states" ???

Great !
Posted by leroidavid">leroidavid  2006-08-10 03:27||   2006-08-10 03:27|| Front Page Top

#17 A last foolish quote...

Olmert said, according to the same Haaretz article :

"We must act resolutely, with a strong military force, even at the cost of human life. But if we can achieve our goals through diplomatic moves, it would be irresponsible not to do so"

Goal: eliminate the Hezbonut terrorists.
Diplomatic move: sign a sheet of paper.

So, how can Israel kill the Hezboschmucks with a sheet of paper ?

Is this magic ?

It would be funny, if it wasn't tragic.
Posted by leroidavid">leroidavid  2006-08-10 03:59||   2006-08-10 03:59|| Front Page Top

#18 This is hard to say. I think it's time for the Israeli military to start making the decisions. It is sad to say the current political and democratic method will not peserve Israel. The military is the last defense of that nation.

While Iranian rockets rain down on Israel it's leaders show weakness and vacillation to those who would destroy them every last man woman and child is they were allowed.

I am past words which can describe this stupidity.
Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2006-08-10 04:52|| www.sockpuppetofdoom.com]">[www.sockpuppetofdoom.com]  2006-08-10 04:52|| Front Page Top

#19 US pressure prompts delay of offensive
The troops were already rolling late Wednesday when they were ordered to halt. It appears heavy US pressure delayed the offensive to allow diplomacy to run its course.


Posted by gromgoru 2006-08-10 05:56||   2006-08-10 05:56|| Front Page Top

#20 Check out this hard-line position. But don't believe that US and Israel are all alone.

http://mideasttruth.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5442
Posted by Snease Shaiting3550 2006-08-10 06:03||   2006-08-10 06:03|| Front Page Top

#21 Peres and Omert dither while innocent Israelis get bombed.

Did Churchill dither while the Germans bombed London?
Posted by Captain America 2006-08-10 06:33||   2006-08-10 06:33|| Front Page Top

#22 you got it right gromgoru we are the reason they are not moving .... typical bullshit ...more israelis die while we make them wait on the sidelines .. I wish they would tell us to fuck off and get on with it
Posted by Legolas 2006-08-10 06:37||   2006-08-10 06:37|| Front Page Top

#23 once again the entire world including us hands the hezbos the victory they could not achieve on their own and terrorisust everywhere INCLUDING iraq are encouraged that if they will just wait long enough we all will cave and play by their rules
Posted by Legolas 2006-08-10 06:40||   2006-08-10 06:40|| Front Page Top

#24 I am willing to bet this is the reason we have not seen more troops from the start, we gave them a greenlight for a certain level of activity thinking it would be enough, well not when you give terrorists years to turn an entire country into a damn fortress, and the world, collectively pissing in their silk panties out of fear, did nothing
Posted by Legolas 2006-08-10 06:44||   2006-08-10 06:44|| Front Page Top

#25 You guys are so pessimistic. Why all the negative waves? This is exactly the way Olmert and Peretz have fought the whole war. I would not be surprised to find out the reason Adam was relieved in place was because he was getting too agressive.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-08-10 07:12||   2006-08-10 07:12|| Front Page Top

#26 I don't understand (yes, I do) the 10,000 cabinet meetings for every dog tick military operation. How about coming up with an overall military objective, for example something hypothetical and out of thin air such as "destroying the Hezbollah" and complete the objective? The Israeli civilian crappership is taking "mission creep" to new and unseen horizons.
Posted by Poison Reverse 2006-08-10 07:24||   2006-08-10 07:24|| Front Page Top

#27 HZB says several +10 vehcles destroyed, israel infantry driven out Marjayoun
Posted by Clerert Uneamp2772 2006-08-10 07:27||   2006-08-10 07:27|| Front Page Top

#28 IsraELI needs to quit pussyfooting around. Hezbzallah and Hamas is trying to destroy you. If the U.S. keeps screwing around, they are going to become no better than the U.N. Negotiation with the islamofacists is a recipe for disaster.

Green light, geen light, GREEN LIGHT (My wife says I am yelling at the computer again)!
Posted by JohnQC 2006-08-10 07:57||   2006-08-10 07:57|| Front Page Top

#29 Shimon Peres urges to give diplomacy a chance: “Fifteen victims a day is a proof of the price we are likely to pay if we don’t try to utilize the diploamtic process to the fullest.” (Ynet) 04:47 PDT

The idiot
Posted by Clerert Uneamp2772 2006-08-10 08:25||   2006-08-10 08:25|| Front Page Top

#30 The delay is just for a chance to train up the new arrivals. Olmert does play the clown to perfection, however. His act seems to mask the real potential of the Israelis to wage war.
Eventually, the clown will tire of all the cartwheels and get serious.
Posted by wxjames 2006-08-10 10:09||   2006-08-10 10:09|| Front Page Top

#31 My apologies to Fred and the Moderators.

Didn’t mean to “Bust” the thread or anyone’s balls. They were all related links that added not changed the direction of the post.

I thought thread busting hijacking was say when you posted a link about “Military waiting green light to attack” and I drop a link in the comments about how “Syrker Brigade sent into reinforce IA in Baghdad”. Don’t add but changes the conversation about the original link.

Bottom line My Bad.
Posted by C-Low 2006-08-10 10:52||   2006-08-10 10:52|| Front Page Top

#32 
"Didn’t mean to “Bust” the thread or anyone’s balls."

C-Low, you were chastized for "busting" the page formatting by posting long links not enclosed by HTML tags. Hence the warning "...learn to post links...".

And while you're at it, try learning to write an intelligible sentence, your posts are gibberish.

-M
Posted by Manolo 2006-08-10 11:04||   2006-08-10 11:04|| Front Page Top

#33 C-Low, I think they were referring to using the "a href" tag to post a lin as opposed to pasing the link in as text. It doesn't wrap and so the window gets too wide for people running at a low resolution. If the "a href" tag reference doesn't make sense check into this, particularly here.
Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-08-10 11:09||   2006-08-10 11:09|| Front Page Top

#34 Wake up Ari! Ohmert's in a coma!
Posted by john">john  2006-08-10 11:20||   2006-08-10 11:20|| Front Page Top

#35 #22 It's what J'lem Post says.
Posted by gromgoru 2006-08-10 11:44||   2006-08-10 11:44|| Front Page Top

#36 Israel cant occupy half of lebanon indefinitely. At some point they have to get out, and if theres nothing left behind, not the Leb army, or an International force, the Iranians will just set up a new Hezb. Rinse and repeat, every couple of years. What have you gained?

OTOH if they can get something useful out of the UNSC, that could be a real gain. Theres no missiles hitting Israel from Jordan, and Jordans just as much populated by muslims, arabs, etc as Leb is - and the Jordan govt is just as cynical. Diff is that Jordan controls its own territory. Rice is promising that she can get a deal that will advance Lebs control of its own territory. Several members of the Israeli cabinet think its worth delaying the attack a couple of days to give her a chance.

Whether shes realistic or not, is not something Im in position to answer.
Posted by liberalhawk 2006-08-10 11:47||   2006-08-10 11:47|| Front Page Top

#37 "I am willing to bet this is the reason we have not seen more troops from the start, we gave them a greenlight for a certain level of activity thinking it would be enough, well not when you give terrorists years to turn an entire country into a damn fortress, and the world, collectively pissing in their silk panties out of fear, did nothing"

Thats pretty much what socialist amir peretz said to Mofaz, who attacked the Peretz plan - what did YOU do when you were DM, and they werent yet as dug in. This govt is dealing with the aftermath of Hezb having 6 years to dig in, and thats left them with some pretty challenging dilemmas.
Posted by liberalhawk 2006-08-10 11:51||   2006-08-10 11:51|| Front Page Top

#38 
Stop messing with Hisbolah. Go directly to Iran.
Posted by Master of Obvious 2006-08-10 12:07||   2006-08-10 12:07|| Front Page Top

#39 Best Qana Hoax Video Yet
Posted by Legolas 2006-08-10 12:21||   2006-08-10 12:21|| Front Page Top

#40 And while you're at it, wash you hands and pick your nose.

-D
Posted by Diktati 2006-08-10 13:19||   2006-08-10 13:19|| Front Page Top

#41 fox headline breaking news israelis detain 350 lebanese army, police - oh this is going to go over big at the state dept.
Posted by Legolas 2006-08-10 13:28||   2006-08-10 13:28|| Front Page Top

#42 nevermind headline has vansished
Posted by Legolas 2006-08-10 13:41||   2006-08-10 13:41|| Front Page Top

#43 its back

IDF says no one was held prisoner, they came to a Leb facility, asked the Lebs to "share it" when they refused demanded they surrender the place, the Lebs asked to leave, the IDF then "suggested" it would be too dangerous to take to the road, and that they should stay.

Very odd war.
Posted by liberalhawk 2006-08-10 15:43||   2006-08-10 15:43|| Front Page Top

#44 There is nothing odd in the fact of detaining Lebanese soldiers and policemen, who have collaborated with the Hezbonazis for years.
Posted by leroidavid">leroidavid  2006-08-10 16:03||   2006-08-10 16:03|| Front Page Top

#45 Diplomacy does not work outside the bounds of rational thought. It is imposible to reason with an enemy who's ultimate goal is your inihilation. Islam is not interested in land or money except for that which empowers them toward their ultimate goal, the extermination of the jewish people. A cease fire now only empowers hezb and its supporters time to recover and reorganize.
Posted by bool 2006-08-10 16:59||   2006-08-10 16:59|| Front Page Top

#46 A cease-fire now means a very murky future.

All terrorist organizations will feel emboldened by the West cowardice.

Islamism will become even more agressive, and spread everywhere.

A lot of people will die.
Posted by leroidavid">leroidavid  2006-08-10 17:13||   2006-08-10 17:13|| Front Page Top

#47 Not to worri C-low, I like gibberish better 'n piss poor pedantri and cheap shot artistry.
Posted by 6 2006-08-10 18:08||   2006-08-10 18:08|| Front Page Top

#48 
"Not to worri C-low, I like gibberish better 'n piss poor pedantri and cheap shot artistry."

No surprise there, given your low level of literacy. Gibbering idiots generally gravitate towards others like them. BTW, the word is pedantry.

Providing clues for the clueless, one halfwit at a time.

-M
Posted by Manolo 2006-08-10 19:33||   2006-08-10 19:33|| Front Page Top

#49 Manolo - I suspect in your arrogance you don't know that Mr 6 posts those malaprops deliberately. You haven't been here long enough or don't know his previous nym. When faced with an incongruence, choose caution, rather than exhibit behavior other's find objectionable. Was that good enuf 4 U?
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2006-08-10 19:48||   2006-08-10 19:48|| Front Page Top

#50 Frank, you're a fine one to speak of arrogance. I've been here for over four years, maybe you don't know my previous "nym".

I suspect that you don't realize I post my little digs deliberately as well. My suggestion that C-Low work on bringing his high gibberish factor down, wasn't directed at 6, or you for that matter. Comprende?

-M
Posted by Manolo 2006-08-10 21:49||   2006-08-10 21:49|| Front Page Top

#51 
C-Low, 'page busting' has pretty much been described. My concern is not gibberish or poor typing, just that RB stays readable.

And Manalo - behave.

The Gray (Not-Nice) Moderator.
Posted by Pappy 2006-08-10 21:53||   2006-08-10 21:53|| Front Page Top

#52 "The Gray (Not-Nice) Moderator"

I hope you're a guy - I think I'm in love. ;-p
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