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2006-06-28 Iraq

Russian forces hunt down hostage-killers in Iraq

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Posted by phil_b 2006-06-28 09:28|| || Front Page|| [6 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Won't this sort of cowboy justice just contribute to the cycle of violence? I mean, isn't this a law enforcement matter? What assurance do we have that the kidnappers won't be tortured, or that they'll be afforded due process of law?

No, wait, these aren't Americans, they're Russians. Never mind.

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Posted by Mike 2006-06-28 09:33|| 2006-06-28 09:33|| Front Page Top

#2 The last time the Russians hunted down hostage takers in the middle east, the islamists really came out on the short end of the deal. Hopefully we both can work to that happy end without an international incident.

Posted by DarthVader 2006-06-28 09:40|| 2006-06-28 09:40|| Front Page Top

#3 I'd advise staying the hell off US command turf tho.

Posted by 6 2006-06-28 09:41|| 2006-06-28 09:41|| Front Page Top

#4 Hunting them down is OK. But what would hurt these guys more than anything, is if these killings got the Russkies to send 5000 troops or so, to give our guys some relief. They can take over an area. How poplular would the terrorist (I know, politically incorrect) be if they brought in the other Satin to a war in which they were just watching.

Posted by plainslow 2006-06-28 10:03|| 2006-06-28 10:03|| Front Page Top

#5 Oh, dear, didn't I predict last week that this was Darwin Award nominee material on the part of the kidnappers?
I swear, 400 years ago, I might have been burnt as a witch....

Posted by Sgt. Mom 2006-06-28 10:04|| www.sgtstryker.com]">[www.sgtstryker.com] 2006-06-28 10:04|| Front Page Top

#6 What the hell are Speznatz doing in Iraq? Vacationing? Doing a little CBW cleanup?

Posted by mojo">mojo 2006-06-28 10:08|| 2006-06-28 10:08|| Front Page Top

#7 We could use cooperation from Russia across the board, but they still think they are special.

Headlines we'd like to see:
Russian Mafia takes out Times News Editors

Posted by wxjames 2006-06-28 10:09|| 2006-06-28 10:09|| Front Page Top

#8 Hope the Russians are successful than following up Beslan, NordEast operahouse, etc. Though they might want to coordinate with US and Iraqi forces. Strange men skulking around with guns have a short life span.

Posted by ed 2006-06-28 10:12|| 2006-06-28 10:12|| Front Page Top

#9 If I were a local commander I'd be happy to pass on whatever bad guy info I had to 'interested' parties. Provided, of course, that any further info recovered was passed back to me. Sure beats incarceration for dealing with recidivists...

Posted by DanNY 2006-06-28 10:28|| 2006-06-28 10:28|| Front Page Top

#10 Yep, a strategic f*ck up on the part of the terrorists. A very amateur move thus proving that the amount of senior terror leadership that has been taken out thus far in iraq is putting junior islamonutz into billets they have no business being in. Of course, the muzzies will claim this op was really perpetrated by that evil genius Bush and the Jews IOT get the ruskies in the mix.

Posted by Broadhead6 2006-06-28 10:54|| 2006-06-28 10:54|| Front Page Top

#11 If I were a local commander, I'd make sure the Ruskies didn't need their return flight. We don't need them anywhere near conflicts. They only exaccerbate problems. They'll butcher somebody just to report home that the job is done. Whether it's the right guy really won't matter. Note how effective they've been with their domestic muzzie problem.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-06-28 11:01|| 2006-06-28 11:01|| Front Page Top

#12 Chechnya is about 15,300 sq. km (compared to Iraq's 437,072, or about 3%) with a population of 1,100,000
(compared to Iraq's 29 million.

I don't think we need the government that had so much trouble controlling Chechnya to come "help" in Iraq.

Posted by Abdominal Snowman 2006-06-28 11:09|| 2006-06-28 11:09|| Front Page Top

#13 It wasn't a strategic fuck-up, it was all part of their strategic plan to isolate Iraq's government diplomatically. They kill diplomats, then countries decide it's not safe and withdraw their representatives. The UN withdrew after a terrorist strike.

Only problem here is countries like Italy, France, and Germany will pay well to get their people back. Russia evidently doesn't do that, and the terrorists had to do something with their hostages.

Posted by gromky 2006-06-28 11:30|| 2006-06-28 11:30|| Front Page Top

#14 Pooty is playing to the home audience, only he has no idea what his ratings are. For my money, uncoordinated Speznatz in Iraq is just one more target.

Posted by Darrell 2006-06-28 11:44|| 2006-06-28 11:44|| Front Page Top

#15 "It wasn't a strategic fuck-up, it was all part of their strategic plan to isolate Iraq's government diplomatically."

-They prolly should of picked another country then. Though honestly I'm not sure how much good the spetznatz will do.

Posted by Broadhead6 2006-06-28 12:01|| 2006-06-28 12:01|| Front Page Top

#16 DV: The last time the Russians hunted down hostage takers in the middle east, the islamists really came out on the short end of the deal.

My feeling is that the Soviet account of the operation was just typical disinformation spread to project an image of omnipotence. The fact is that the Russians weren't well-placed to do anything outside of Europe. I can't believe they had Muslim assets in Lebanon. Contrary to movies like "Navy SEALS", you can't just put a dozen friendlies on the ground in an area with ten of thousands of hostiles.

Posted by Zhang Fei 2006-06-28 12:40|| http://timurileng.blogspot.com]">[http://timurileng.blogspot.com] 2006-06-28 12:40|| Front Page Top

#17

"I want youse guys to put a hit on dem!"

Posted by Anonymoose 2006-06-28 13:33|| 2006-06-28 13:33|| Front Page Top

#18 As much as the Russians tend to fall on the side of these countries, you'd think they would have plenty of contacts and be able to rent all sorts of assets. I know a lot of these contacts are on the side the US is trying to make disappear, but they seem to do anything for a price, including plant IEDs.

You'd think there'd be some kind of backdoor semi-diplomatic channels they'd have to coordinate something, whether it be to put the info into US hands or go in and do it themselves. I would think the former would be the most realistic option. I don't think they'd put a bunch of troops in the country given all they've done, and I don't think the US would allow it unless they want to be team players 100% of the time. Unlikely!

Posted by grb 2006-06-28 13:48|| 2006-06-28 13:48|| Front Page Top

#19 Russian special services

Basketballs? Mountain Bikes? Fishing? er .... maybe no?

Posted by Besoeker 2006-06-28 13:59|| 2006-06-28 13:59|| Front Page Top

#20 They were the Russian very special forces. They fly the short C-130.

Posted by DarthVader 2006-06-28 16:03|| 2006-06-28 16:03|| Front Page Top

#21 "The President gave the order to Russian special services to take all measures for finding and eliminating the criminals who carried out the murder of Russian diplomats in Iraq", the Interfax news agency quoted the Kremlin's press service as saying.

He said Russia hoped its friends would help to identify the killers.

The head of the Federal Security Service (FSB), Nikolai Patrushev, promised to carry out the task "however much time and effort it requires", Interfax reported.

Posted by john 2006-06-28 16:38|| 2006-06-28 16:38|| Front Page Top

#22 A short word.

Spetsnatz.

US Response?

No bag limit, just let us know where you are so we don't accidentally engage you.

Posted by Oldspook 2006-06-28 17:04|| 2006-06-28 17:04|| Front Page Top

#23 Spetsnatz and US SOF worked together in the Balkans. They enjoyed our MRE's.

Posted by Besoeker 2006-06-28 17:07|| 2006-06-28 17:07|| Front Page Top

#24 And slow down at checkpoints, just a hint.

Posted by Steve 2006-06-28 17:08|| 2006-06-28 17:08|| Front Page Top

#25 Plus, the Russians have all sorts of friends and allies in the surviving Baathists and Saddam-era military personnel. Handing over info on the guys that killed the diplomats to the Russians to help them catch the killers, just earns the Baathists brownie points that can be traded in during the amnesty negotiations. Plus, the Russians tend to be VERY unpleasant during interrogations, and have NO qualms about bring in family members to make examples out of. Refusing to answer a KGB/Spetsnatz question usually results in the loss of a finger or toe joint, of which there are 60 on the average human. After you run out of them, they progress onto other tender locations.

Posted by Shieldwolf 2006-06-28 17:36|| 2006-06-28 17:36|| Front Page Top

#26 The Russians would never occupy an embassy without a full detail of intel and ops guys to support it. I must assume they have been operating in Bagdad all along and ol putin remarks are just a public admission they are hunting, sort of a friendly way of letting everyone know they are there.

Posted by 49 Pan 2006-06-28 19:44|| 2006-06-28 19:44|| Front Page Top

#27 How do you say "Can Achmed come out and play?" in Russian? in Arabic?
Makes no difference. I bet the Tigris has some really interesting "floaters" in the next few weeks.
AND I bet the US Forces will be more than happy to turn the other way while the Russkys do that which they do best.........make people die and disappear.
What is Reuters saying about this?
Can we outsource Guantanamo to the KGB?
How about building a new subway in Baghdad and let the Russians supervise construction using anyone they can catch?

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2006-06-28 20:36|| 2006-06-28 20:36|| Front Page Top

#28 I hate to say it...but I'm not all that inclined to let the Russians in without a some sort of quid pro quo. Putin has been screwing the US...and is responsible for unecessary US military combat deaths becasue of his lack of cooperation.

Posted by anymouse">anymouse 2006-06-28 23:00|| 2006-06-28 23:00|| Front Page Top

#29 A favorite Russian interrogation method is simplicity itself. You insert a long blade of grass up someone's nose into the sinuses, inducing an insane amount of pain but without visible damage.

Try it on yourself. You will be surprised.

Posted by Anonymoose 2006-06-28 23:07|| 2006-06-28 23:07|| Front Page Top

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