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2006-06-05 Home Front: Politix

Boeing-Led Industry Team To Pursue Secure Border Initiative Effort

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Posted by DanNY 2006-06-05 00:29|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Boeing is doing awesome work.

Posted by Captain America 2006-06-05 10:48|| 2006-06-05 10:48|| Front Page Top

#2 Secure borders begin with a double fence and a minefield in the middle.

Posted by ed 2006-06-05 10:55|| 2006-06-05 10:55|| Front Page Top

#3 No, no minefields. I don't want Juan, Maria and their children blown up, I want them to apply through regular channels.

Double fence, concertina wire in the middle, from San Diego to Brownsville. Appropriate border patrol, adequate personnel, and no catch and release. Increase the numbers of legal immigration permits, match them to prospective employers, and give them a legal identity card. Make sure they pay taxes on their income. Employers who repeatedly hire illegals get put out of business. Legal immigrants get a pathway to citizenship if they want it. Current illegals get a pathway to regularize their status, 'cause we're not deporting 12 million people (we don't even know who all of them are to the nearest million).

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2006-06-05 11:07|| 2006-06-05 11:07|| Front Page Top

#4 Fences won't stop them. All it can do is slow them up, at best, for a 10's of minutes. Massive border patrols to chase and catch the 3 million illegal border violators each year are required or nothing gets accomplished. You can hire another 50,000 full time Border Patrol agents, but it won't matter. Increase apprehension from 30% to 80%. So what? It means they will have to make 3 crossing attempts to have 50% success. Big deal, so it takes another 2 days at the border and 2 extra finger printings at La Migra. No foul, no mess, lunch and dinner provided courtesy of US taxpayers.

A minefield puts the burden on risk on the border violators themselves. Get their asses blown up and no money goes back to the hometown. They know it's there. They are not welcome. Stay out. It's not their country. Cross and surely risk life and limb.

Otherwise, I will settle for a minimum 1 year sentence to a labor gang hand building the TX-CA sea level canal. Take out the financial incentive. Get caught and the folks back home will be deprived of the violators income for the season.

Posted by ed 2006-06-05 11:32|| 2006-06-05 11:32|| Front Page Top

#5
Most of what Steve said, and definitely a mine field!

Posted by Manolo 2006-06-05 12:35|| 2006-06-05 12:35|| Front Page Top

#6 Juan, Maria, and their children won't be blown up if they 'use' regular channels. A minefield would only harm those who choose (of their own free will) to violate our borders. Juan, Maria, and their children would cross over at a Port of Entry. The united states welcomes immigrants all the time.

That being said I think a minefield might be a bit extreame.

Contrary to what the illegal aliens advocates try to say there already is a legal process for entering the United States for immigration.

Posted by CrazyFool 2006-06-05 12:57|| 2006-06-05 12:57|| Front Page Top

#7 "Current illegals get a pathway to regularize their status, 'cause we're not deporting 12 million people (we don't even know who all of them are to the nearest million)."

Until the next 12 million or so illegals show up, so the U.S. can give amnesty all over again.

What is the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over, in hope that the result will be different?

Posted by Fordesque 2006-06-05 13:36|| 2006-06-05 13:36|| Front Page Top

#8 Right Ford. I tire of the argument that it's impractical to deport 12 million illegals. How do we know? Have we ever tried? Besides, the entire immigration debate is irrelevant until the US has the sack to secure the border. The we can debate at length the sad tale of 'Juan, Maria and theur children'.

Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-06-05 14:16|| 2006-06-05 14:16|| Front Page Top

#9 sorry...typos...

Posted by mcsegeek1 2006-06-05 14:17|| 2006-06-05 14:17|| Front Page Top

#10 seal the border at San Diego permanently and reopen it somewhere in an unincorporated piece of desert. Any Californians who want to travel past the Southern border can fly. Strengthen the border patrol and build bigger, more fortified walls. Begin massive deportation of illegals residing in the U.S. that have had no children born here since they've arrived. One's that have had children can stay after going through new procedures implemented by Congress (which would meet them half-way to their desired amnesty). Provide benefits to employers to raise wages in fields dominated by illegal workers so more Americans would be willing to do them. And then take it from there. First, seal and relocate the border. And whoever thinks mine fields are a good idea is a total jackass.

Posted by banned from rantburg 2006-06-05 15:45|| 2006-06-05 15:45|| Front Page Top

#11 I wonder if all this isn't preparation for an Invasion and (very) short War with the intended result a divided Mexico forming the next several states like the current states Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, California, etc already are.

Posted by Redneck Jim 2006-06-05 15:57|| 2006-06-05 15:57|| Front Page Top

#12 Guys, look at this the military way:

Barriers, be they fences, tank traps or minefields, exist to delay the opponent and to canalize thier movement. This is to give the defender (us), a) time to react properly (i.e. get agents there), and b) rerstrict the movment to areas where we have a large advantage in dealing with the opponent.

No fence will ever serve as a barrier on its own. Even the Berlin wall and the ineer-German Border walls were not effective 100% against keeping people from lcrossing them illegally. And if you notice, it was the MANNED components that made them highly effective.

Again, the barriers are there to delay and canalize. The rest of it is enforcement: react quickly to detain and immediately deport.

And the latter has been severely missing on both our northern and southern borders.

Posted by Oldspook 2006-06-05 16:28|| 2006-06-05 16:28|| Front Page Top

#13 Yup, OS has it. Build a non-lethal fence, as I said earlier. Then make sure you have enough Border Patrol -- that's OS's point. You won't stop 100% of the illegal traffic, but stopping 90% is a major benefit. Once you've done that, you can work on fixing legal immigration, work permits, etc, etc, etc.

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2006-06-05 16:31|| 2006-06-05 16:31|| Front Page Top

#14 Understand the Florida gators are lookin' for some chew toys, perhaps a moat?

Posted by Captain America 2006-06-05 18:28|| 2006-06-05 18:28|| Front Page Top

#15 I tire of the argument that it's impractical to deport 12 million illegals. How do we know? Have we ever tried?

If we don't try it with the Mexicans we may well end up having to with the Muslims. Maybe we need to start working on this. [/ultra-cynical]

Posted by Zenster 2006-06-05 20:16|| 2006-06-05 20:16|| Front Page Top

#16 You invade my house by the front door and I will pump 2 rounds of 12-gauge 00 buckshot into you. But unlike the US government, if you sneak into my house by the back door, I will not give you a share of my house.

Since the Bracero farm worker program of WW2 exposed a wide segment of Mexicans to the US, 25% of Mexicans have moved to the US, the majority of immigrants walking over the border illegally. That is a population movement of the scale, but compressed in time, of Turkic people moving into the Byzantine Empire or Germanic people displacing the Celts. That is several times the speed of Europeans moving into the Americas. Now include Central American illegals, visa overstayers, and those smuggled in from all over the world.

The changes are profound. In conjunction with Great Society programs, much of lower class America have been gutted by below livable level wages, replaced by welfare subsidies and idleness. Respectable jobs like construction, maintenance, food service that used to be done by the lower and lower middle classes are now done by illegals at wages far too low support a family. Welfare and a little dealing and hustling have replaced it. Not much social mobility in that, unless you count State Prison. Illegal immigration is now so pervasive, even rural small town America cant escape it. Try to get a job packing meat these days.

Lowered standards, expectations. crime and drug use are the rule. For instance, during my senior year high school English, I studied how to spell there, their, theyre, to, too and two. I shit you not. ESL classes learned to spell chewy and chuy. The school was 85% Hispanic with a large population of illegals/children of illegals who were mired a culture of crime, drugs, ignorance, teenage pregnancy, no expectations and no future. Of the 1000 Freshmen, less than ½ graduated. Only 3 went to college in the fall, though more did eventually go. As for loyalties, it wasnt to Uncle Sam and Americans.

That was 30 years ago. Since then the illegal immigration situation and their demands on services have only gotten worse. I just pray my income holds up long enough so that my kids can graduate from schools better than the one I attended.

Jackass? No, the voice of experience. Open your eyes, dumbass.

Posted by ed 2006-06-05 20:59|| 2006-06-05 20:59|| Front Page Top

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