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2006-05-04 Home Front: Culture Wars

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Posted by Besoeker 2006-05-04 13:45|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Amazing how millions of Slavs and Chinese were able to integrate into the American culture without bi-lingualism or multi-culturalism. Guess the leaders of the Hispanic interest groups are admitting to far lesser abilities among their population.

Posted by Cruque Clong1423 2006-05-04 14:14|| 2006-05-04 14:14|| Front Page Top

#2 Interestingly enough, Hispanics oppose bilingual education by higher margins than the general population. Think Jose Sixpck might know something his self-appointed "leaders" don't?

Posted by Mike 2006-05-04 14:43|| 2006-05-04 14:43|| Front Page Top

#3 I've always thought that an amendment making English the national language should be added to this (illegal) immigration "reform" program. Let's see how much these folks really want to assimilate and be part of America.
Think it'll happen?

Posted by tu3031 2006-05-04 14:44|| 2006-05-04 14:44|| Front Page Top

#4 Hispanics are also learning English at least as quickly as any other immigrant group.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-05-04 14:49|| 2006-05-04 14:49|| Front Page Top

#5 Theodore Roosevelt on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN

Are we "SLOW LEARNERS" or what?

Theodore Roosevelt on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN

"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt 1907

Posted by Besoeker 2006-05-04 14:56|| 2006-05-04 14:56|| Front Page Top

#6 PC allows not for a "Melting Pot" but for a "Salad Bowl". Reality is that a certain degree of colonization is being effected here on the border. Everybody in power down in these parts (Arizona) is studiously looking the other way while the Mexicanization of the culture takes place in a not so glacial manner. I see nothing to stop this trend given that evening questioning the issue labels one a racist.

Posted by borgboy 2006-05-04 15:39|| 2006-05-04 15:39|| Front Page Top

#7 The danger facing the U.S. comes not from the imigrants (who in general are pursuing the American Dream). It comes from LLL "trustafarians" who hate everything America stands for. If you look at pictures of the marches, the anti US slogans were carried by American leftists who (unfortunately) are American citizens.
In fact, I would trade the folks from ANSWER for a like number of Mexican immigrants.

Al

Posted by Frozen Al">Frozen Al 2006-05-04 16:30|| 2006-05-04 16:30|| Front Page Top

#8 Hispanics are also learning English at least as quickly as any other immigrant group

Yep, that's why I see four or more channels on Dish or Direct TV that are purely Spanish. Like I see just as many other ethnic channels, right? Just like when I walk into Walmart or Sears and hear the commericals or read the signs in multiple other languages. Oh wait, maybe just one other. Do they do the same, but in French in their stores up near the Canadian frontier with Quebec? Last time I saw those tourist from Canada they did a darn good version of English this side of the border.

Posted by Ebbotle Slineling3258 2006-05-04 17:20|| 2006-05-04 17:20|| Front Page Top

#9 Mexicans vary tremendously depending on where they settle down in the US. In LA they are often ghetto-ized, with resultant problems more related to poverty than integration.

In Phoenix, they heavily integrate and are absorbed with great speed, quickly becoming middle class.

In the majority-Mexican county in Arkansas where everyone works for Tyson, it is like little Mexico, with no integration at all.

And Texas is unto Texas.

Posted by Anonymoose 2006-05-04 17:32|| 2006-05-04 17:32|| Front Page Top

#10 Mr. Wife's father was taught completely in Polish until the sixth grade. His was the last year, though (born in 1936). His four younger brothers were taught exclusively in English. A bit of culture shock within the family, it was.

All immigrant groups huddle together for cultural and linguistic familiarity. It's generally the children that learn to speak English well. The true stereotype is of the child translating for Mama at the grocery store and the bank.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-05-04 21:09|| 2006-05-04 21:09|| Front Page Top

#11 And Texas is unto Texas

And New Jersey is getting VERY crowded.

Posted by jim#6 2006-05-04 21:16|| 2006-05-04 21:16|| Front Page Top

#12 The basic problem is this:

1) There is a market for cheap labor that can be treated like slaves. These are the Mexicans and others.

2) There is also a market for expensive labor that can be treate like slaves. These are the H2-Visa holders.

So... if you legalize either of these groups then it is hard to abuse them.

Once it is hard to abuse them they will lose these jobs. Then two things happen.

1) They live in Barrios, Slums etc.. until they are able to crawl out kicking and screaming... and the majority go on welfare for a long while.

2) The employeers who used to abuse them look for new labor they can abuse. That labor flocks to the US and the whole cycle repeats.

Posted by 3dc 2006-05-04 21:31|| 2006-05-04 21:31|| Front Page Top

#13 3dc, I actually heard some stat on Boortz that a good proportion of third gen Mexicans were on welfare because they knew the system, had no fear of deportation & no ambition to work in contrast to their grand parents. I can't remember the exact number but it was over 40%.

Posted by Broadhead6 2006-05-04 22:19|| 2006-05-04 22:19|| Front Page Top

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