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2006-02-05 Europe

Islam on the Outskirts of the Welfare State

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Posted by lotp 2006-02-05 07:37|| || Front Page|| [3 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 I understand this history - and what's really behind it.

The Swedes, like their socialist leftie brethern, added all these "refugees" to their welfare rolls so they could feel good about themselves about how much they had "helped" those backward, uneducated brown people. (Who of course can't be expected to work or learn the language or assimilate or anything, since they're so uneducated and backward. And brown.)

Now the chickens created by the leftist, holier-than-thou socialists have come home to roost. In spades. With literally murderous intent.

And gosh darn, my sympathy meter is in the shop, where they're having huge problems finding repair parts. (I think they used to be made by one of those failed Swedish industries.)

Posted by Barbara Skolaut">Barbara Skolaut 2006-02-05 09:21|| http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html]">[http://ariellestjohndesigns.com/page/15bk1/Home_Page.html] 2006-02-05 09:21|| Front Page Top

#2 Understood, Barbara. But here's the rub:

Sweden made implicit - and explicit - promises to those immigrants, and did not make demands. The result is a population of young men with no jobs, no skills, lots of free time, a subsistence income from the state .... and hugely simmering resentment, deliberately stoked by imams.

The reality is that in SOME places, Swedish living conditions for these immigrants really are rather nice, physically. But the Swedish economic and political structures get in the way of turning that into lasting prosperity and a sense of dignity that comes from work.

I'm not so much interested in criticizing Sweden, although I've done my share of that and they certainly deserve it. When even the NYT says they made huge mistakes, it's a given that people here (at least) are catching on to the fundamental errors they've made.

What I'm interested in is how this parallels places like Detroit in our country, and what we can or should do to disarm the ticking time bomb that these populations may turn into, here and in Europe.

And before you write off the Euros, take a look at how much of our exports are sold there.

Posted by lotp 2006-02-05 10:00|| 2006-02-05 10:00|| Front Page Top

#3 What we should do is start assimilating our immigrants again. Get rid of multi-culturalism and get back to Americanism. Bust the NEA and make strikes by govewrnment employees illegal.

If immigrants don't want to paly balll, they pay a price. If they want to live oddly like the Amish and the Mormons, there's still plenty of Montana available. Welcome to America. You're now an American. I don't care where your parents came from.

Posted by Whaviper Omolurong9320 2006-02-05 10:21|| 2006-02-05 10:21|| Front Page Top

#4 and the Mormons
Huh?

Posted by Rantburg Interiors to Go 2006-02-05 11:55|| 2006-02-05 11:55|| Front Page Top

#5 I agree with Robin that we need to understand this, and I'm a bit surprised that the NYT presents the article the way it does -- no fawning over the wonderful, egalitarian, multi-cultural Swedes, but rather almost a straight-up piece of reporting.

It's another example of the key difference between Europe and America. In America one can assimilate completely. You can have parents or grandparents from anywhere and be an authentic American. We all drink on St. Patricks Day, feast on Cinco de Mayo day, and Kwanzaa is just another excuse to eat.

But Europe won't ever let its immigrants assimilate. I wonder if it goes all the way back to Roman and pre-Roman times when waves of immigrants swarmed in from Asia. That east-to-west story was repeated many times over a couple of millenia, and I think it's part of the European subconscious -- outsiders are bad, outsiders are eventually going to take everything we have, we'd better not let them get too cozy here.

I have friends in Germany (as a number of R'burgers do), and it's interesting how, while they appreciate the hard work Turks do and realize that Turks in Germany have had the short end of the stick, at the same time they will never, never consider the grandchildren of Turk immigrants to be German.

In the end Europe is defined by race, ethnicity and religion. America is defined by attitude. That's the difference.

Posted by Steve White">Steve White 2006-02-05 12:19|| 2006-02-05 12:19|| Front Page Top

#6 Huh?

The Mormons didn't end up in Utah because of the scenery. They were violently driven out of many towns in the east because of their peculiarities.

Posted by Nimble Spemble 2006-02-05 12:45|| 2006-02-05 12:45|| Front Page Top

#7 But Europe won't ever let its immigrants assimilate.

Steve, wot about these Critters?

Greeks, Normans, Vikings, Visigoths, Anglos, Romans, Saxons, Carthaginians, Moors, Slavic plps, Mongols and the NFL Berserkers?

Posted by RD 2006-02-05 12:56|| 2006-02-05 12:56|| Front Page Top

#8 My mother's family in Germany traces back to the High Middle Ages, yet to the Germans they were always nothing but foreign Jews. The village we lived in during the 1990s celebrated its 800th anniversary while we were there... and many of the founding names were still listed on the tax rolls. In Switzerland anyone from the next village over, not even the next canton, is a foreigner, and therefore mistrusted. They do like their little games over there.

Posted by trailing wife 2006-02-05 14:02|| 2006-02-05 14:02|| Front Page Top

#9 Bull. Most USA Muslims immigrants have jobs---good ones usually. Are they any less Islamakazi than Euro Muslims immigrants?

Posted by gromgoru 2006-02-05 20:22|| 2006-02-05 20:22|| Front Page Top

#10 Bull. Most USA Muslims immigrants have jobs---good ones usually. Are they any less Islamakazi than Euro Muslims immigrants?

You're referring to the cartoon riots in Dearborn, Mr. G? Apparently, our Muslim immigrants are "less Islamakazi than Euro Muslims immigrants."

Next question?

Posted by Wuzzalib 2006-02-05 21:24|| 2006-02-05 21:24|| Front Page Top

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