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2005-12-22 Home Front: WoT

Why American Muslims stay silent on Terror (opinion)

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Posted by mhw 2005-12-22 12:33|| || Front Page|| [1 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 The problems with this theory is as follows:

1. Muslims in the US are not an impoverished lot. They could easily support mosques from their own pockets without need for Saudi money. Sure, they may not get gilded palaces, but then they would be sure who's in control.

2. We're repeatedly told that Islam has no central authority, such as a Pope. So there's no religious reason for accepting guidance from the Saudis.

3. If the extremists truly were in a minority, then the majority could either force them out, expose them, or simply refer to point 1 and start their own mosques. Instead the supposedly two populations co-exist quite readily. This is akin to a Christian identity group taking over a Methodist church with no one saying a word.

4. We've repeatedly seen instances in which imams known among Muslims for their support for radical causes were welcomed by the congregation. Only when the kafir became aware of the imam's history was any objection raised. This doesn't indicate a majority threatened into silence, but a majority silent from assent. The same has happened with hate literature distributed through mosques.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-12-22 13:16|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-12-22 13:16|| Front Page Top

#2 The problems are...

PIMF.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-12-22 13:18|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-12-22 13:18|| Front Page Top

#3 5. We've been told that one reason this hasn't happened is the reluctance to declare some Muslims to not really be Muslims. But this reluctance doesn't appear in the Middle East -- Sufi vs. Shia, etc. -- and doesn't appear to occur to the Wahabbis. It appears to be a one-way reluctance, with the mainstream being unwilling to denounce the radicals.

Posted by Robert Crawford">Robert Crawford 2005-12-22 13:53|| http://www.kloognome.com/]">[http://www.kloognome.com/] 2005-12-22 13:53|| Front Page Top

#4 I started to ask the question, "what percentage of Muslims are truly moderate" shortly after 9/11. I think now, that isn't even the right question. It is more of changing an entire culture and there are very few that are up to that task (and when they appear they tend to die quickly).

Posted by Unaique Ebbatle4520 2005-12-22 14:08|| 2005-12-22 14:08|| Front Page Top

#5 [From the linked article] A terrible blow has been inflicted on the religion of Islam in America by the refusal of the religious âestablishmentâ -- including CAIR, the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) and other entities -- to abandon and denounce the radical legacy present in their formation and displayed in their long service.

From what is indicated by the article, CAIR's own protestations vis denouncing radicalism are so much window dressing. The Justice Department and the FBI need to conduct a joint investigation of this. CAIR must be held to its word and even the slightest whiff of "al-Taqiyya"* must be greeted with immediate expulsion and deportation of those who support and administer the CAIR organization.

I do not understand why our nation continues to allow entry for any religious figures arriving from Saudi Arabia. There needs to be a standing prohibition of any Wahabbist imams and those who seek to promote its doctrine. It is now more than clear how Wahabbism is the direct precursor of jihadist radicalism. The same needs to be applied to proponents of Salafist doctrine as well.

Regardless of America's historical record of religious tolerance, there can be no leeway shown to sects that seek the outright destruction of our nation. Their clergy and adherents must be expelled at once so they can perish along with the countries of their origin as we eradicate this global threat.

* Al-Taqiyya is a form of religiously sanctioned lying, even under oath.

Posted by Zenster 2005-12-22 14:09|| 2005-12-22 14:09|| Front Page Top

#6 A convert to the Sufi brand of Islam explains that basically they are quiet because they are scared s...less.

Hello? You're in America folks! We have police that will protect citizenry, a functioning justice system, and a Second Amendment. What more do you need?

Someone harassing you at the local mosque? Go to another one or start up one yourself. Being harassed by certain individuals? Call the cops, file a report, and get a restraining order. If that's not enough and the harassers begin to violate property or threaten bodily violence, then take advantage of a constitutional right and pick up something from Messrs. Smith and Wesson.

There are alternatives to simply being scared into silence.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-12-22 16:14|| 2005-12-22 16:14|| Front Page Top

#7 i think if Mr. Schwartz (the author) was to respond to bombarama and RC he would point out that Muslim culture values the clan and family and thus it makes 'going against the establishment' harder because your offspring would jeopardize their marriage potential; he would also point out that some break away mosques have actually been started.

However, I think boma and RC's points are actually more robust than Mr. Schwartz's because the clan structure could be reestablished if the moderate moslim community were even close to as numerous as the 'pro terror' or 'I'm neutral on terror' community. Also the number of breakaway moderate mosques is pretty slim from what I hear.

In fact, from what I hear, the secular and moderate Moslems are amazed that the US allows the Wahhabis to run mosques, schools and community centers.

Posted by mhw 2005-12-22 16:51|| 2005-12-22 16:51|| Front Page Top

#8 "Why American Muslims stay silent?" Basically they are pussies and can't stand up to radicals. Fact is my Islamic buddies is that you don't need to be in a Mosque to pray or believe in Allah. A prayer rug and an arrow towards mecca will set you right 3-5 times a day (mullah not included). How many of you would attend a church that called for the desrtruction of the Jews or Infidels? Before you start I am talking about today not 300 years ago.

Posted by Cyber Sarge">Cyber Sarge 2005-12-22 17:17|| 2005-12-22 17:17|| Front Page Top

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