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2005-07-15 International-UN-NGOs
Kyoto floundering in the wake of G8 summit
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Posted by phil_b 2005-07-15 03:12|| || Front Page|| [11127 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 "a recognition that climate change is real and serious"
-Story Author

"I don't think there is much doubt, frankly, about the science of global warming. The great challenge is to reduce emissions by probably about 50 per cent sometime this century. The only system that will have international support to achieve this after 2012 will be one that does not include country-specific targets and timetables." ... [More wishy-washy handwringing blah, blah, blah.]
-Australian Environment Minister Ian Campbell

Frankly, there is doubt, you twit. Once the Kool Aid is swallowed and once your job is dependent upon maintaining the fiction, nothing will disuade these bumpkins from muttering the mantras. I'm seriously disappointed with the majority of scientists who do NOT buy into this hyperventilating hogwash for not continuing to denounce it. They did a few times early on, but have sat on their collective hands for the last couple of years - prolly trying to get in on the grant money. Gutless turds. That it's dying is good. That it's happening solely because of the suicidal economics [and US resistance] is unsatisfactory.
Posted by .com 2005-07-15 04:09||   2005-07-15 04:09|| Front Page Top

#2 Well I know one the "models" that these global warming frauds must not know, the models are bogus.

Computers can do (1)calculations like solve for X and (2)store and retrive data, that is all they can do. They can pilot a aircraft accurately using 1 and 2, they can even run my engine in my car. All that is based on factual and completely understood mathmatical processes, "Modeling climate" asks the computer to make asumptions. Computers can't make asumptions very well. I would not trust them with my life if they were doing so. I certainly will not trust them to tell me about the climate in the future or even past, using totally incomplete data sets and flawed, incomplete mathmatical processes. Every "scientist" that peddles "global warming" is on the make for grant money and jobs, period, full stop. It's crap science by crappy scientists.
Posted by Sock Puppet 0’ Doom 2005-07-15 04:20||   2005-07-15 04:20|| Front Page Top

#3 I do think human CO2 emissions are (tending to) warming the climate, although I am deeply sceptical that this effect is detectable above the 'noise' in the system (i.e. no one knows if measured climate changes result from CO2 emissions or other causes).

The issues with Kyoto are; the 'results' of global warming are mostly alarmist claptrap, the mechanism proposed - reducing CO2 emissions - was clearly unworkable (without massive numbers of nuclear power stations) to anyone with an ounce of brainpower, and were climate warming ever to become a real problem, its clear we can cool the climate on far shorter timescales than CO2 warms it.

We don't know the future climate changes, Kyoto has no chance of making any difference (and is enormously expensive) and there are much better solutions should we ever have a real problem. Another UN save the world scheme bites the dust. Shame it took us so long to get there.
Posted by phil_b 2005-07-15 05:05||   2005-07-15 05:05|| Front Page Top

#4 This is a good site for global warming info, in particular this article albeit a bit dated is an exceptional introduction.
Posted by AzCat 2005-07-15 05:47||   2005-07-15 05:47|| Front Page Top

#5 Even if there is a warming trend, man made or natural, none of these scientists or environmental dudes have ever explained why they believe it to be a catastrophy. The rise in temperature could just as well increase rainfall and lengthen the growing season. CO2 is plant food. The resulting increase in food production could help millions.
Posted by BrerRabbit 2005-07-15 06:11||   2005-07-15 06:11|| Front Page Top

#6 China is accepting the reality that developing nations must be part of the solution

Much as I appreciate an article that pronounces Kyoto dead, this screed is so idiotic on so many levels.

1. China cares about China and only China.

2. The climate has always been changing and always will be changing.

3. Where is the praise for the good ol' US of A, which had the vision to see that Kyoto was a non-starter from the get-go? Bueller? Bueller?

4. Since when is the US located in the Asia/Pacific region?

5. Still the slavish insistence that greenhouse emissions cause supposed global warming.

Ugh.
Posted by Dreadnought 2005-07-15 10:15||   2005-07-15 10:15|| Front Page Top

#7 Aside to AzCar, last PM page 4 comment was not aimed at you or that thread..... Reads extremely strange now. :)
Posted by Shipman 2005-07-15 13:55||   2005-07-15 13:55|| Front Page Top

#8 Clearcut the old growth forests because new trees suck up more CO2. Clearcut for the planet!
Posted by rjschwarz 2005-07-15 15:42||   2005-07-15 15:42|| Front Page Top

#9 Thank you, rjschwarz. So true, too. ;-)
Posted by trailing wife 2005-07-15 17:52||   2005-07-15 17:52|| Front Page Top

#10 "BUT the EU shouls meet its overall target."
And I will be driving an electric car that goes 1,000 miles before needing to recharge by next Christmas.

There are only a couple of EU countries that have come close to reducing their emissions and Britain is one. France was falling behind most everyone else in the EU.
Posted by Stephen 2005-07-15 19:49||   2005-07-15 19:49|| Front Page Top

#11 The irony here is France gets 90% of its electricity from non-CO2 emitting sources, mostly nuclear. Hence its ability to substitute is limited. Britain has been substituting gas for coal. Most of the EU 'savings result from shutting down smokestack industries particularly in the ex-communist countries. That process appears to be running out of stuff to shutdown and the UK has run out of coal to substitute. Hence EU emissions will rise from here on.
Posted by phil_b 2005-07-15 20:01||   2005-07-15 20:01|| Front Page Top

#12 "I don't think there is much doubt, frankly, about the science of global warming

Lying grant whores, eco-terrorists, and lilliputians trying to saddle the US economy do not a consensus make. The science is NOT proven. The theory and solutions proposed would restrict the US while allowing China free rein to pollute at will. Antiamericanism, moral screeching and pop-science. In 25 or so years (when the natural climate cycle reverses) all will be discredited - I'll put money on it that the science horde will develop collective amnesia (remember th ecoming ice age?) - maybe they could study that? Only if grants are available, I bet
Posted by Frank G">Frank G  2005-07-15 22:06||   2005-07-15 22:06|| Front Page Top

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