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2005-07-10 Afghanistan/South Asia

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Posted by john 2005-07-10 00:00|| || Front Page|| [2 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Looked superficially it may appear that the Muslim World is helpless, but a deeper look would reveal, that it is coming out of the morass of sufferings and humiliations, of the past two centuries.

Give the nice man an F15.

Posted by gromgoru 2005-07-10 06:11|| 2005-07-10 06:11|| Front Page Top

#2 Anally, one hopes.

Posted by Tony (UK) 2005-07-10 06:25|| 2005-07-10 06:25|| Front Page Top

#3 Islam has never allowed, that innocent people be targeted for killing.

No just Infidels who are, by definition, not innocent.

Posted by AzCat 2005-07-10 07:00|| 2005-07-10 07:00|| Front Page Top

#4 Presently the Muslim world has no road map of its own to fight poverty, deprivation and their corrupt leadership which suffers from slavish mentality. Looked superficially it may appear that the Muslim World is helpless, but a deeper look would reveal, that it is coming out of the morass of sufferings and humiliations, of the past two centuries. Presently 57 Muslim countries are independent, seeking identity and struggling to achieve resilience and strength.

Pardon me, I skipped the middle part, and cut to the chase. Did he explain how wacking journalists, targeting police, terrorizing transportation, and indiscriminate murder were part of the road map to "fight poverty, deprivation and their corrupt leadership" in the "57 Muslim countries [which]are independent, seeking identity and struggling to achieve resilience and strength." Or do I hafta read the whole thing?

Posted by Bobby 2005-07-10 09:47|| 2005-07-10 09:47|| Front Page Top

#5 Command and Control facilities are another item India might find hand and maybe a payperview peek at SW asia imagery.

Posted by Shipman 2005-07-10 10:21|| 2005-07-10 10:21|| Front Page Top

#6 "The organisation which claims to be a think tank, has made a deliberate effort to convey that Jihad-i-Akbar is an explicit obligation for a Muslim, as the first priority, to purify oneâs soul by total submission to Allah

The flaw here, therefore, is the current muslim fad of skipping over the "purify ones soul" sanctimony, not to mention the perfidy of it, cos how does Allah verify ones "purity of soul"? By issuing a "licence to kill, maim, and dismember?" indisciminately? But there's more...

"a Muslim remains engaged in a perpetual struggle for the âpurity of the soulâ and in this process has to endure hardships and exercise restraint so that temptations do not overpower piety"

Saddam Hussein was brutalized and abused by his uncle, he endured hardship and privation, now tell us which part of Saddams life would you CAIR to parse and characterise as a jihad? ..." . He ran an Islamic State, with justice meted out in the name of Allah, even if you disagree, so its all he said, you said; IOW one mans geeehod is another mans case in point for launching one right back at him.
And while we're on the subject, where were you or any other "jeehadi" when Saddam was gassing Kurds, killing Shia in South Iraq by the hundreds of thousands? None of you filthy, double-talking cowards would take up that fight, now would you? Therefore you make my point for me: your absence of support for Kurds and S.Iraqi Shia means that you explicitly support Saddams repression as "jeehad " with built in purity. No, instead Saddam granted asylum and sanctuary to your other favs, al zarkawri, Abu Abbas, Abu Nidal, Ramzi Yousef, all most wanted terrorists, before 9-11, NTM, negotiations and money laundering for binladen

"With respect to Jihad, Allahâs commandment is very clear and explicit: âWhat hurdle lies in your way that you do not reach out to help men, women and children who on account of their weakness are being brutalised and subjected to atrocities and are calling you to rescue them from, the clutches of the tyrants.â In fact, it is a call for the defenseless and the oppressed to rise against the forces of tyranny and injustice. In other words to wage a âpeoples warâ. "

So, I ask again, just where the fuck were you, Merza Alsam Beg?
Shopping your Sophistry, and flapping your mouth, (yet again), when there was justice to be done?

"All Muslims may not get this message, but a few will respond to the call and reach out to help their fellow believers and fight against state terrorism, such as those being perpetuated in Chechnya, Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan and Kashmir."

Yeah, (latin)Palestrina, Iraq, and Afghanistan were all state sponsors of terrorism, so that's 2, almost 3 out of the five yu complain about put out of business, courtesy of the wall and the USA, respectively. Before Musharraf, Pakiland was, and in some areas still, a state sponsor of terror.

Hashem Aghajari, an Iranian professor who dutifully fought in the Iranian army against Saddam, (which you, sir, did not) and who's leg was amputated in battle, was sentenced to death for merely criticizing clerical rule. Isn't his struggle against tyranny the only one, I mean the only one we have learned about, that qualifies as to the stict distinction and definition you make as to what is jihad, and what is terrorism? You know, the "Purity of the Soul" kind?

"They donât even have their media, which could project their cause and counter the propaganda against Islam."

The Muslim media, and the western big media, are all "projecting your cause" and promoting propaganda for Islam.

âAfghanistan will become the hornets nest of Jihadis, with the additional support from neighbouring countries(state sponsored terrorism) whose security is threatened due to foreign ingress into their perimeter of security.â

Pakistan is threatened by a liberated and democratically elected republican government?

"The tragic episode of 9/11 in 2001 humiliated the Afghan Mujahideen further, who outrightly were declared as âterroristsâ, and included in the much maligned category of Al-Qaeda. "

No, you stupid fuck, the "mujahadeen" set up the most tyrannical state sponsors of terror since Araphot, Khomeini, Assad and Saddam. and now that you mention it, just how does a mujahadeen fight for the cause of justice for Women, who were slaughtered like cattle in public executions in an Afghan soccer stadium? For, you know, working outside their home, you know, to feed their children, because their husbands throat had been slit open by the state taliban(pakiland and saudi "students"), and where BTW are you on this "gentle"?

"Presently 57 Muslim countries are independent, seeking identity and struggling to achieve resilience and strength."

No, you lying hypocritical toady, Two Muslim countries are, Iraq and Afghanistan, the 57 you refer to is close to the 60 wars being fought in the world, all of them against expanding islamic terror.

" He (the prophit, ahem) never waited for the followers of the Deen to determine whether they were all Momin or otherwise, although amongst them were many, who were hypocrites and sham believers. "

I see, after making a distinction of finest double talk and double think, He (the prophit) fudges the (your) distinction. Fudge packers. Arise! Pack your bowels! Mommin or not, here we come! Whoever kills the most, gets to plunder like a Pirate! Avast me harties!

" Hence, the need to understand the phenomenon of Jihad and the necessity to initiate dialogue. This reality seems to have dawned on the Americans, who are now in contact with the Jihadis in Iraq and want to negotiate peace through dialogue."

What, You mean Zarqawri is your idea of "purity of the soul" type jihadi? I know of 22 million Iraqis who will disagree with you on that one.

"But the fact also cannot be denied, that heinous acts of terror are being committed by elements who have joined the ranks of the Jihadis for their own selfish ends. Islam has never allowed, that innocent people be targeted for killing. How could the believers of Islam indulge in such acts of terrorism? Such persons are opportunists"

I rest my case.

Also islam does not consider 'unbelievers' as "innocent" in the first place. Furthermore Islam admires and praises anyone who propagates this lie and who feigns sympathy when he has none in the first place. so there; Hence the media angle you work for jeehad in western media.

"Since it âis a movement for changeâ, therefore it is facing resistance from the old hegemonic and colonial forces. It is a natural process of development of the human society, where Muslims happen to be at the centrestage. "

Twas colonialism that prepared the Indian subcontinent for prosperity in the 21st century, and, for that matter 'African Aid' that holds Africa back, but what's your excuse for wanting to jump back to the 7th?

Posted by Annie War">Annie War 2005-07-10 18:48|| 2005-07-10 18:48|| Front Page Top

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