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More CBS Lies! CBS Poll: A Majority want Terri to die?

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Posted by OldSpook 2005-03-28 12:29:06 PM|| || Front Page|| [11134 views since 2007-05-07] Top

"STOCKHOLDERS VOTE ON CHANGE OF CBS LOGO IN WAKE OF SCHIAVO COVERAGE"

Posted by BigEd 2005-03-28 12:40:43 PM|| 2005-03-28 12:40:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 Accepting a forgery about Bush's Gurd service, then the so-called "talking points memo" fabrication, and now putting a Push Poll out as if it were an unbiased poll....

CBS News continues its march to decieve the American People in its push against Bush and conservatism. And the MSM steps in as the chior until the Blogosphere steps up with the facts.

OK Blogosphere - Pat Caddell pointed the way - will you listen and act?

Posted by OldSpook 2005-03-28 12:49:10 PM|| 2005-03-28 12:49:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 Greer recieves $250 from Felos
Since Mr Caddell is on our side on this one... if anyone has an EMail address for him, the link needs to be sent his way!

Posted by BigEd 2005-03-28 12:49:37 PM|| 2005-03-28 12:49:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 Too bad Instapundit, LGF or other former mainstay conservative blogs are on the wrong side of this one. Normally they woudl be first in line to correct an injustice by the MSM, but since Glenn Reynolds, Charles Johnson and other formerly reliable/truthful bloggers have come out on the "let Terri die" side, I no longer have any faith they can overcome their bias any more than Robert Byrd.

Like Byrd and the left, they've chosen political expediency and decided back "process" over justice, and lower ideals (less government intrusion) over higher principles (Life).

I hold out little hope for this being given the proper grilling it deserves. They don't care about life as much as conservatives like I do - they values smaller government to the point where they will let a woman starve to death rather than give in and acknowledge that sometimes the goernment has to stand up for the lives of those who cannot do so themselves.

Posted by OldSpook 2005-03-28 1:08:05 PM|| 2005-03-28 1:08:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Michelle Malkin covered how ABC News conducted a poll in her column The MSM's life and death distortions with this very loaded Polling question:

As you may know, a woman in Florida named Terri Schiavo suffered brain damage and has been on life support for 15 years. Doctors say she has no consciousness and her condition is irreversible. Her parents and her husband disagree on whether or not she should be kept on life support. In cases like this who do you think should have final say, (the parents) or (the spouse)?
And the followup:
If you were in this condition, [on life support] would you want to be kept alive, or not?

Michelle points out that A) Terri is not, and never has been on life support. and B) Not all doctors agree that she is PVS. (Or the anti-life bias of the 'doctors').

Posted by CrazyFool 2005-03-28 1:19:48 PM|| 2005-03-28 1:19:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 Andrew McCarthy at NRO sums up the case best - and in doing so damns Johnson, Reynolds and all the others who sat on their hands and refused to see the doubt present in this case - from the legitimacy of Michael Schiavo as the advocate, to the procedures being just, to the lack of a proper diagnosis (deemed by one expert to be "Criminal").

They are on the wrong side of this, and I wonder if their l;ack of moral integrity will allow them to pursue this story, which certainly sheds doubt on thier stands.

The ultimate solution is straing from Andrew McCarthy:

Before the state may permit the termination of life in a PVS case, the guardian should be required to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that the stricken person is in a PVS and that the stricken person evinced, in a knowing and intelligent way, a desire to be removed from sustenance if ever in a hopeless, incapacitated state. On the latter finding, we should encourage living wills to induce a person who considers and feels strongly about this choice to make her intentions clear. In the absence of such a living will, there should be a presumption that the person wants to live. It is life, not death, that our constitution protects.

This is where CJ and INstapundit and others miss the boat and sacrificse the principle of life to politicial bias against government intrusion. Regarding life issues, CJ, Instapundit and others like them are of no greater moral stature than those they stand with, like Michael Moore.

Posted by OldSpook 2005-03-28 1:35:24 PM|| 2005-03-28 1:35:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 OS: I be down wif you on all that, except for the part about living wills.

My view is that life should be voluntarily terminated under the terms of such a 'will' only when the person is suffering and death would indeed be preferable to living.

As it is, I think we need to get tough on such 'wills' that ensure the exact wish, and not just the wishes granted at some moment in time that a patient wants to die.

I can think of no instance outside of actual pain that a person would voluntarily want to die, because in my opinion such 'living wills' only reflect a sentiment at the time the 'will' is drawn up and not the actual wishes of the person.

Posted by badanov 2005-03-28 1:44:43 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org] 2005-03-28 1:44:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 And another thing:

Charles Johnson and Glenn Reynolds are wrong on a lot of issues.

Posted by badanov 2005-03-28 1:49:31 PM|| [http://www.rkka.org] 2005-03-28 1:49:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 As I noted earlier, if this were happening in Pakistan I suspect CJ would be all over this case; "honor killing," "religion of death..."

Posted by Phil Fraering 2005-03-28 2:25:30 PM|| [http://newsfromthefridge.typepad.com] 2005-03-28 2:25:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 Hey anyone?

Why is Terri Schiavo getting MOROPHENE?

I thought Judge Greer, Attorney Felos, And Michael Schiavo all agreed she doesn't feel pain...

Said by Rush, Laura Ingraham, Bill Bennett today, and Drudge last night..

My sister had morophene when she was in the last stages of terminal cancer...

However, no one ever questioned her mental facilities...

Posted by BigEd 2005-03-28 2:39:39 PM|| 2005-03-28 2:39:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 A woman who called to Rush right now, and explained it somewhat...valid in my sister's case, anyway, but this Schiavo Case becomes a connect-the-dots scenario...

Posted by BigEd 2005-03-28 2:59:25 PM|| 2005-03-28 2:59:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 I am at work.. Anyone at home and can try to call Hannity? And talk about this creepy Greer and Felos giving him money last year?

Posted by BigEd 2005-03-28 3:41:23 PM|| 2005-03-28 3:41:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 A doctor just on Hannity said Pinellas County Coroner can order an autopsy, and the judge can't block it...

But with Greer, who knows?

That is why this campaign contribution issue needs to be made well known before TERRI SCHIAVO DIES...

Posted by BigEd 2005-03-28 3:59:15 PM|| 2005-03-28 3:59:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 By the way, violence?

NO NO NO NO NO -

Anarchy? NO NO NO NO NO

Since Terri Schiavo has no life options left, this dehydration by now having screwed up her kidneys and liver beyond healing, then the best we can do is get the autopsy, and if the autopsy has the results we think it might, remove Greer from office by impeachment, and let him spend the rest of his life looking at himself in a mirror every morning! "But I 'followed' the laws", just won't cut it, and he has to live with that...

Posted by BigEd 2005-03-28 4:06:16 PM|| 2005-03-28 4:06:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 Didn't Greer order that Terri be cremated? I think I read somewhere that a Judge ordered her to be cremated according to what her husband said she wanted.

Posted by CrazyFool 2005-03-28 4:09:41 PM|| 2005-03-28 4:09:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Didn't Greer order that Terri be cremated?

Yes, but he cannot forbid an autopsy (theoretically)

Posted by BigEd 2005-03-28 4:11:47 PM|| 2005-03-28 4:11:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 Big ED what ever happened to terri's religous
right's? I still can't believe that this is happening. Attorney Michael Bissonnette of Chicopee, Mass is offering a free service to the public "come in, make an appointment- have a living will done for FREE". Avoid what the Schiavo family has gone through!

Andrea Jackson

ED- who do you think will be arrested first in this case?

Posted by Andrea Jackson 2005-03-28 4:19:22 PM|| 2005-03-28 4:19:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 I don't know who'll be the first arrested...

I want the truth, and I think the actions of Michael Schiavo, Attorney Felos, and Judge Greer are all suspect.

Greer is protected by his office, and is not subject to any criminal procectuion, but that is why he needs to be impeached. Not for his original decision, but for his subsequent refusal to look at new information in the case, and he should be forced to explain why he accepterd the campaign contribution ONE DAY after the law was overturned (not by him) that was passed by the FL legislature, and signed by Gov Jeb... He still could not be procecuted for the actions in the case itself, but accepting the contribution while he was hearing the case stinks to high heaven. In the end it was more ego than any petty $250 contribution. But ego is lack of judicial 'temperament' and thus he should be impeached...

Felos is a hired gun, and it is hard to see anything here except, his part in donating to Greer's campaign May 2004 which has to be treated seperately from the case iteself...

So it comes back to Michael Schiavo. It would be the best for him if an autopsy was performed, and nothing suspicious was found. And Terri Schiavo's brain was found to be in the condition that these so-called experts say it is. If not, then that opens up a whole new can of worms...

Posted by BigEd 2005-03-28 4:30:45 PM|| 2005-03-28 4:30:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 ...That subpoena was issued March 18, the day Schiavo's feeding tube was removed by order of a Florida state judge. That same judge quashed the House subpoena, and the U.S. Supreme Court rejected an appeal of that decision by Republican congressional leaders.

CNN Article

The above is an excerpt from a {Yeech} CNN article.

How can a state court "quash" a federal congressional supoena to appear?

Er... my understanding is that the House has chosen not to enforce the subpoena, for whatever reason...

Under what authority does the US Supreme Court have to stop the congressional subpoena?

I want to understand, and realize seperation of powers thing, but this is odd to me...

Posted by BigEd 2005-03-28 5:24:12 PM|| 2005-03-28 5:24:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 What is that picture, Big Ed? It looks to me like some teaching-aid for a proctology Resident studying loathsome social diseases. Now that I think of it, that would be a good logo for CBS.

Posted by Sgt.D.T. 2005-03-28 5:58:13 PM|| 2005-03-28 5:58:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 The EYE of Sauron, from "The Lord of the Rings" movies.

Posted by BigEd 2005-03-28 6:08:15 PM|| 2005-03-28 6:08:15 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 Story

Second paragraph below...

CBS affiliate in WACO TX?????
Cannot find anywhere else??????
{Excuse me but } W T F

Attorney George Felos told reporters late Monday afternoon in Florida that Michael Schiavo has requested that Pinellas Countyâs chief medical examiner perform on autopsy on his wife once she dies in order to answer questions about the severity of brain damage and to put to rest rumors about her physical condition.

If this is true, call it, "Roll the dice?"

Posted by BigEd 2005-03-28 7:30:33 PM|| 2005-03-28 7:30:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 BigEd- It sounds like we have the fox in charge of the hen house! TOO many chiefs not enough indians. I wish her body could be donated to science.

Andrea Jackson

Posted by andrea jackson 2005-03-28 7:38:37 PM|| 2005-03-28 7:38:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 Accepting a forgery about Bush's Gurd service, then the so-called "talking points memo" fabrication, and now putting a Push Poll out as if it were an unbiased poll....

CBS News continues its march to decieve the American People in its push against Bush and conservatism. And the MSM steps in as the chior until the Blogosphere steps up with the facts.

OK Blogosphere - Pat Caddell pointed the way - will you listen and act?

Posted by OldSpook 2005-03-28 12:49:10 PM|| 2005-03-28 12:49:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 Too bad Instapundit, LGF or other former mainstay conservative blogs are on the wrong side of this one. Normally they woudl be first in line to correct an injustice by the MSM, but since Glenn Reynolds, Charles Johnson and other formerly reliable/truthful bloggers have come out on the "let Terri die" side, I no longer have any faith they can overcome their bias any more than Robert Byrd.

Like Byrd and the left, they've chosen political expediency and decided back "process" over justice, and lower ideals (less government intrusion) over higher principles (Life).

I hold out little hope for this being given the proper grilling it deserves. They don't care about life as much as conservatives like I do - they values smaller government to the point where they will let a woman starve to death rather than give in and acknowledge that sometimes the goernment has to stand up for the lives of those who cannot do so themselves.

Posted by OldSpook 2005-03-28 1:08:05 PM|| 2005-03-28 1:08:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 Andrew McCarthy at NRO sums up the case best - and in doing so damns Johnson, Reynolds and all the others who sat on their hands and refused to see the doubt present in this case - from the legitimacy of Michael Schiavo as the advocate, to the procedures being just, to the lack of a proper diagnosis (deemed by one expert to be "Criminal").

They are on the wrong side of this, and I wonder if their l;ack of moral integrity will allow them to pursue this story, which certainly sheds doubt on thier stands.

The ultimate solution is straing from Andrew McCarthy:

Before the state may permit the termination of life in a PVS case, the guardian should be required to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that the stricken person is in a PVS and that the stricken person evinced, in a knowing and intelligent way, a desire to be removed from sustenance if ever in a hopeless, incapacitated state. On the latter finding, we should encourage living wills to induce a person who considers and feels strongly about this choice to make her intentions clear. In the absence of such a living will, there should be a presumption that the person wants to live. It is life, not death, that our constitution protects.

This is where CJ and INstapundit and others miss the boat and sacrificse the principle of life to politicial bias against government intrusion. Regarding life issues, CJ, Instapundit and others like them are of no greater moral stature than those they stand with, like Michael Moore.

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