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2005-02-04 Syria-Lebanon-Iran
Syria Urges Dialogue, Rejects US Pressure
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Posted by Fred 2005-02-04 00:00:00|| || Front Page|| [11141 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 Nothing to talk about, Babe. You know the drill.
Posted by .com 2005-02-04 12:31:22 AM||   2005-02-04 12:31:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Syria called yesterday for dialogue with the United States, rejecting as “futile” the mounting pressure on the regime from the administration of President George W. Bush.

....Calls for "dialogue" coming in the face of pressure that is claimed to be "futile"...?

You be the judge.
Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2005-02-04 2:19:14 AM||   2005-02-04 2:19:14 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 Here's one for you. If the border is so open to permit agents to go into Iraq, it is equally open to permit agents to go into Syria. Don't think your people noticed the free elections next door? You will when the 'boooooom' starts echoing from your own streets.
Posted by Glereper Thigum7229 2005-02-04 9:24:31 AM||   2005-02-04 9:24:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 it's working.
Posted by Jarhead 2005-02-04 9:31:33 AM||   2005-02-04 9:31:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 When Syria stops killing Americans and Iraqis both, *then* start saying "It's working".

Not when it calls for 'dialogue' in the same way that North Korea does.
Posted by Aris Katsaris  2005-02-04 11:27:14 AM|| [http://www.livejournal.com/~katsaris/]  2005-02-04 11:27:14 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 Oh, Aris, it's working or he would have nothing to say. When he says “It is impossible to export freedom with tanks, planes and cannons” then you know that either (1) he has never heard of Germany and Japan and Afghanistan and Iraq or (2) it's working. Now off with you before .com finds you.
Posted by Tom 2005-02-04 11:34:56 AM||   2005-02-04 11:34:56 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 Or (3) three, he's just talking the babble that all dictators everywhere are talking.

Fine, keep on thinking it's "working" -- but in the meantime Syria is still killing Americans and Iraqis.

And if .com wants me, he knows where I am and he even has my email. As do all of you. If you want to continue your personal games and pretend this is all about meeeemeeeeemeee, Tom, you can email meeemeeemeee and stop cluttering up the forum.
Posted by Aris Katsaris  2005-02-04 11:44:17 AM|| [http://www.livejournal.com/~katsaris/]  2005-02-04 11:44:17 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Meeeeeeee! it's all about meeeeeeeeeeeee
Posted by AllAboutMe 2005-02-04 11:50:31 AM||   2005-02-04 11:50:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Aris, to quote .com:

"You really are the biggest Attention Whore on the 'Net..."

"You get 99.99% of your info second or third or fourth hand. It's often tripe. That you are so certain, and perhaps proud of this tainted and flawed version of reality, it's little wonder you're a walking (I assume) talking fuckwit of half-truths and pure unsubstantiated opinion. You're truly a sad and pathetic little boy. So full of yourself, so full of shit, but that's redundant - it's just you being yourself. Perhaps you'll get a lesson, the hard one, soon. One can hope, for your sake. But for Rantburg, it's irrelevant - it's your personality disorder and should be dealt with offstage. You are typical of a guest on Jerry Springer."

"Pure pontification. Aris, your true name is impotent conceit - for that is the one indisputable trait that identifies you."

"No one gives a fuck what you think. No one gives a fuck why. No one gives a fuck if you live, die, or admit you're a dull gay blade who sucks cock better than Divine Brown and Linda Lovelace put together. No one gives a fuck about Greece, about their opinions, their government, their attitudes, their lives, their deaths. No one cares if it falls into the ocean or is swept clean by the next tsunami. No one would notice. No one cares if the EU builds a military or continues to suck tit. No one cares if they accept or reject a constitution. No one cares what you think about international institutions. No one cares about what you think makes America tick. No one cares what you think Red State and Blue State mean. No one cares what you think of American idiomatic or colloquial speech. No one cares what you're *sure* or *fucking clueless* about. No one cares. Because you are no one. Fuck, less than no one."

"It boggles how you pontificate, posture, preen and pose, yet you're impotent and imminently irrelevant. The only unique thing about you is your massive tumorous conceit - perhaps an achievement in your environs, but of no consequence outside your infantile mind. You're merely the arrogant little L'enfante terrible of conceit, endlessly blathering from the hinterhindquarters of the swampy lowlands of nowhere muttering to yourself - signifying nothing. Your opinion is of no consequence, nor is it worth the bandwidth or the time. Impotent. And that's why you post, your terminal case of LSM (Little Man Syndrome) simply overwhelms what logical faculties you might have, swamping your entire being in rage and hopeless helplessness."

"Sucks to be you, I'd wager, "LEECHBOY."

"All:
Impotent conceit. That sums up all aspects of Aris. He can affect nothing. He has no power. He isn't capable of anything except yapping - like the little dogs who get so excited they pee themselves. Ignore it and it will implode. Irksome, but terminally Irrelevant. Impotent. Insignificant. Inconsequential. Yap! Yap! Infantile. Inane. Yap! Insane. Idiot."

I requested it for "The Clasics". #34 at:
http://rantburg.com/poparticle.asp?HC=Main&D=2005-02-02&ID=55426
Posted by Tom 2005-02-04 11:50:48 AM||   2005-02-04 11:50:48 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Thank you Tom -- that's helpful: It shows you've already lost your transient desire of a couple days ago to atleast make a pretense at the appearance of sentience.
Posted by Aris Katsaris  2005-02-04 12:05:33 PM|| [http://www.livejournal.com/~katsaris/]  2005-02-04 12:05:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 It is working. If it wasn't he would've just ignored Bush's speech & never put forth the dialogue issue.
Posted by Jarhead 2005-02-04 12:07:37 PM||   2005-02-04 12:07:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#12 And in the meantime, Syria is still killing Americans. You keep on caring about your games, I'll keep on caring about *that* instead, being more interested in American lives than you seem to be, Tom.

Cheers, y'all.
Posted by Aris Katsaris  2005-02-04 12:09:42 PM|| [http://www.livejournal.com/~katsaris/]  2005-02-04 12:09:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#13 5th January 2005: Syria urges dialogue

14th May 2004: Syria urges dialogue

April 22th, 2003: Syria calls for dialogue

--

Yeah, it's working as well as it did two years ago -- Syria keeps on urging for dialogue.

But I'm sure things are different now, for some reason. *Now* it's clearly different, even though the rhetoric is exactly the same.

Calling for dialogue, killing American troops and Iraqi civilians, same old same old.
Posted by Aris Katsaris  2005-02-04 12:15:57 PM|| [http://www.livejournal.com/~katsaris/]  2005-02-04 12:15:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#14 We don't need you to tell us that Syria is killing Americans, Airhead Krapsaris.
Posted by Tom 2005-02-04 12:16:53 PM||   2005-02-04 12:16:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#15 "Syria is still killing Americans"

-Maybe, but in the mean time we'll keep our kill ratio on jihadis at unbelievable proportions, be they iraqis or foreigners. Again, Assad feels the pressure as my previous quote & we'll keep flypapering all the extremists.
Posted by Jarhead 2005-02-04 12:19:26 PM||   2005-02-04 12:19:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#16 Oh crap, there goes the bandwidth....
Aris, if you had bothered to check the dates on those articles, you would see that they are all dated after the invasion of Iraq. Coincidence? I think not. He wasn't motivated to call for "dialogue" before 100k American troops were in the vicinity, battle-tested ones, not all green recruits. If I were a dictator in Bush's crosshairs with 14k of my troops out of the country tying down a restless neighbor, yeah, I'd be nervous.
And, now, apparently Assad has called for "dialogue" more frequently. The one previous to this was just before the elections. Notice a pattern there? He's getting worried. Case closed.
Posted by Desert Blondie 2005-02-04 12:30:46 PM|| [http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com]  2005-02-04 12:30:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 We don't need you to tell us that Syria is killing Americans

Don't you? You nonetheless needed me to tell you that Syria's been urging for dialogue for *years* now, when y'all saw it as something new and strange and an omen that victory's at hand.

Those who forget history...

Here's a prediction: Two years from now Syria will urge for dialogue yet again, and the Rantburgers of that time will again say "It's working" when nothing will have changed from now to then. Cheers.
Posted by Aris Katsaris  2005-02-04 12:32:26 PM|| [http://www.livejournal.com/~katsaris/]  2005-02-04 12:32:26 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 Go find yourself a goat.
Posted by Tom 2005-02-04 12:33:35 PM||   2005-02-04 12:33:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 ignore the attention whore
Posted by Frank G  2005-02-04 12:36:38 PM||   2005-02-04 12:36:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 Aris, if you had bothered to check the dates on those articles

Having quoted the dates, I think it shows I did bother to check them, intentionally choosing one example from each year.

Coincidence? I think not.

No. It's only now he's had reason to attempt to make Americans think that "it's working". And as long as you're believing that "it's working" because he's urging for dialogue, it's proving a successful tactic.

Throwing you scraps of bread so you can pat yourselves on the back. Pshaw! If he was really terrified of America, one of the first things he'd do was actually stop killing your people.
Posted by Aris Katsaris  2005-02-04 12:41:11 PM|| [http://www.livejournal.com/~katsaris/]  2005-02-04 12:41:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 Friday night in Athens and Airhead the Attention Whore is huddled at a screen typing "y'all" and "Pshaw!" This has got to be ScrappleFace!
BWUHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!
Posted by Tom 2005-02-04 12:45:22 PM||   2005-02-04 12:45:22 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 ...silently repeating the Serenity prayer to myself....
Posted by Desert Blondie 2005-02-04 12:46:20 PM|| [http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com]  2005-02-04 12:46:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 Tom, do follow Frank's advice.
Posted by Aris Katsaris  2005-02-04 12:51:06 PM|| [http://www.livejournal.com/~katsaris/]  2005-02-04 12:51:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 I find the AAA (All About Aris) threads to be a bit repetitive and dull. That's why I have started to avoid them. But, Aris, you have to admit that your persuasive powers are not working as well as you might wish. Unless Tom and .com are right. So I just wanted to let you know about this book that many Americans, about whom you know so much, have found to be helpful in resolving problems like yours.

Good luck and best wishes.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2005-02-04 12:54:05 PM||   2005-02-04 12:54:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 Last one to leave the thread, kindly turn out the light.
Posted by Desert Blondie 2005-02-04 12:56:31 PM|| [http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com]  2005-02-04 12:56:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 Mrs. D, first he needs to acknowledge that he has a problem:
http://www.sextreatment.com/masochism.htm
Posted by Tom 2005-02-04 12:59:38 PM||   2005-02-04 12:59:38 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 I have enough friends, thank you very much, among people that never visit Rantburg. But if I wanted to make myself likeable to idiots and jerks and the intentionally ignorant (or even found such a thing tolerable), I'd have gone into a career of politics instead.

But if you're interested more in talking about meeeeeeemeeeemeee than about Syria being the murderer of Americans and Iraqis, and about calls for dialogue being just a pretense game they play rather than an actual consensus that shows a change in them -- that just shows the priorities of all y'all lie: and how much you people hate reality, and dealing with facts -- and how much you like to be self-deluded.
Posted by Aris Katsaris  2005-02-04 1:02:56 PM|| [http://www.livejournal.com/~katsaris/]  2005-02-04 1:02:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 Get treatment, Air.
Posted by Tom 2005-02-04 1:04:33 PM||   2005-02-04 1:04:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 Aris, I'll be blunt.

You have friends? Good. Talk with them instead of wasting your time here. (Actually wasting everybody's time here)

Now fuque off. And don't come back.
Posted by Sobiesky 2005-02-04 1:07:21 PM||   2005-02-04 1:07:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 A rhetorical question:

If we are all such idjits, morons and dorks.....and if Aris has so many friends....why does he keep posting here?
Posted by Desert Blondie 2005-02-04 1:09:50 PM|| [http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com]  2005-02-04 1:09:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 http://www.sextreatment.com/masochism.htm
Posted by Tom 2005-02-04 1:11:14 PM||   2005-02-04 1:11:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 But, Aris, you have to admit that your persuasive powers are not working as well as you might wish.

We can each only be ourselves. If I need to lick your toes in order to "persuade you", then I won't do it.

I've contributed a specific fact in this thread (something more than you have done) that Syria has been constantly urging for dialogue, with specific facts and references -- same that I recently offered multiple points showing the consistent Syria-Russia alliance. Whether you choose to ignore such things, or try to incorporate them in your reasoning and possibly re-estimate your worldview that's yours to choose. But it's a useful datapoint for me (or anyone else) to offer, regardless of whether its wasted when thrown before swine. The swine can also be just swine.

That makes my participation in Rantburg worthwhile by itself. *shrug* Until I am bored of being a swineherder, I guess.
Posted by Aris Katsaris  2005-02-04 1:13:50 PM|| [http://www.livejournal.com/~katsaris/]  2005-02-04 1:13:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 Swineherder? I could have sworn Long Hair Republican said "goatfucker"! Oh, yes -- June 28, 2004. Definitely "goatfucker".
Posted by Tom 2005-02-04 1:17:36 PM||   2005-02-04 1:17:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 If we are all such idjits, morons and dorks.....and if Aris has so many friends....why does he keep posting here

Why does a missionary intentionally travel to people who've never heard the Gospel? And why do I go to people who've never heard of logic, of argument, or perceived the usefulness of facts in deciding a course of action?

I'm still a believer that the swine can grow into people if you feed them human food, I guess.
Posted by Aris Katsaris  2005-02-04 1:19:06 PM|| [http://www.livejournal.com/~katsaris/]  2005-02-04 1:19:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 Here, Airhead, an old American expression that you need to learn: "You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear."
Fits well with "y'all" and "pshaw" too.
Posted by Tom 2005-02-04 1:23:45 PM||   2005-02-04 1:23:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#36 it's all about meeeeeeeeeemeeeemeee. I need attttteeeennnnttionnn
Posted by AllAboutMe 2005-02-04 1:28:43 PM||   2005-02-04 1:28:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#37 Tom, look, if he can't understand the meaning of the word "rhetorical"....
Stick a fork in this thread, it's done.
Looking forward to the new, improved Rantburg in June.
Posted by Desert Blondie 2005-02-04 1:31:52 PM|| [http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com]  2005-02-04 1:31:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#38 And, now, apparently Assad has called for "dialogue" more frequently. The one previous to this was just before the elections. Notice a pattern there? He's getting worried. Case closed.

-I agree. Assad's further into a bad position. He's seen what's going on in Iraq, at first prolly seemed a good idea to tacitly look the other way why the screwball jihadis left syria en masse to fight the infidels. Heck, prolly even has some Iraqi illegal weapons in his country. Now, elections have taken place and the U.S. will prolly wind down in the next 18-24 months from Iraq as the Iraqis start providing their own security. Then he prolly wonders where the U.S. will be looking next. Makes sense. Also makes sense that after we invaded Iraq he asked for dialogue three different times. Now he's pushing for time at will prolly have to start locking down the islamonuts because he doesn't want to give Washington a causus belli when their hands are not tied down in Iraq. He's been looking for weapons from Putin to. U.S. mil on his flank. Cowboy Bush on his ass. Yep, it's working.
Posted by Jarhead 2005-02-04 1:32:33 PM||   2005-02-04 1:32:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#39 Ok, maybe I was a bit hasty.
Thanks for bringing the discussion back to the matter at hand, Jarhead!
Anyone else care to discuss the matter, kindly post.
Posted by Desert Blondie 2005-02-04 1:35:16 PM|| [http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com]  2005-02-04 1:35:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#40 If it turns out that we are invited to keep troops on a longer-term basis deep in the western deserts of Iraq, including that northwest corner, the rules have changed in that part of the world for at least a generation.

Permeable borders are permeable in both directions. If, as the Syrians say, they cannot keep people from "accidently" coming into Iraq, the same can be said for people intentionally going the other way. Trained, lethal, focused and motivated people.

Deals with Putin nothwithstanding, that is not something Syria can prevent directly. So they will try mightily both to swagger and also to tie up the US in the negotiating about negotiations game.

Why do I think it's not going to work for much longer? It will depend on how the new government in Iraq sorts out, but even the Shi'ite Islamic party can't be happy about Sunni / Baathist crap coming out of Syria to stir things up.

Oh, and don't forget the Kurds in southeastern Syria, who might get ideas of their own.
Posted by true nuff 2005-02-04 1:38:37 PM||   2005-02-04 1:38:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#41 DB, I would like to suggest an exception re: Anyone else care to discuss the matter, kindly post :

A K Jerkoff.
Posted by Sobiesky 2005-02-04 1:40:05 PM||   2005-02-04 1:40:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#42 If Syria is asking for a chat, there must be a few body bags heading back to Syria.
Posted by eLarson 2005-02-04 1:41:05 PM||   2005-02-04 1:41:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#43 A march out of Iraq through Syria to the Mediterranean would clean up a lot of loose ends: terrorism, Baath Party, Lebanon, Iraqi fugitives, WMDs. And it's a lot easier than leaving through Iran. A Mediterranian base would be nice, too.
Posted by Tom 2005-02-04 1:44:33 PM||   2005-02-04 1:44:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#44 I'm not sure they have to travel. Some may be occuring just inside their borders???
Posted by true nuff 2005-02-04 1:44:43 PM||   2005-02-04 1:44:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#45 No prob DB :) I thought you made a good point about the patterning that sadly wasn't addressed.

(I'm trying to steer clear of thread jacking & ad hom's - my new year's res ;)
Posted by Jarhead 2005-02-04 1:46:29 PM||   2005-02-04 1:46:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#46 So for 30-something posts Aris wants to argue that Syria *ISN'T* feeling pressure from the elections in Iraq and thousands of US troops next door? Golly--I suppose he still believes the earth to be flat as well?
Posted by Crusader 2005-02-04 1:48:14 PM||   2005-02-04 1:48:14 PM|| Front Page Top

#47 Permeable borders are permeable in both directions. If, as the Syrians say, they cannot keep people from "accidently" coming into Iraq, the same can be said for people intentionally going the other way. Trained, lethal, focused and motivated people.

Very good point. There has been some securing of the Iraq-Syrian border done in the last while, from the Iraq side (a bit of earthworks to make it easier to spot infiltrators), but it is segmented and the border is long. There are old smuggling trails there in less modifiable areas, so this is not a solution, just a part of it.

Assad needs to know that if he does not secure his side of the border, a can of whupass is in store. A date has to be set.
Posted by Sobiesky 2005-02-04 1:48:53 PM||   2005-02-04 1:48:53 PM|| Front Page Top

#48 Jarhead - Good resolution, and I think I'll try to follow it, too. (Sobiesky, you are a very bad man! ;P)
Even if we don't invade, you gotta admit that seeing the Iraqis voting - freely - had to freak Assad Jr out. Even Al Jazeera gave it pretty positive marks. No wonder he wants to move to protect his job.
Posted by Desert Blondie 2005-02-04 1:50:43 PM|| [http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com]  2005-02-04 1:50:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#49 C'mon, Crusader....stay on topic. Please.
Posted by Desert Blondie 2005-02-04 1:52:01 PM|| [http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com]  2005-02-04 1:52:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#50 Tom, A march out of Iraq through Syria to the Mediterranean would clean up a lot of loose ends: terrorism, Baath Party, Lebanon, Iraqi fugitives, WMDs. And it's a lot easier than leaving through Iran. A Mediterranian base would be nice, too.

I agree, but let's be realistic. You need a substantial casus belli, to get the above nicely sorted out. Sure, even a manufactured one if needs to be ( ;-) ), but it has to be present and believable.
Posted by Sobiesky 2005-02-04 1:54:06 PM||   2005-02-04 1:54:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#51 Sobiesky, you are a very bad man! ;P

Thank you! ;-)
Posted by Sobiesky 2005-02-04 1:56:13 PM||   2005-02-04 1:56:13 PM|| Front Page Top

#52 You can't look at a map of Syria and tell me that a whole lot of people wouldn't be happy to have us clean it up: Israel, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, the Kurds... And doing so would put Iran's influence that much farther away from the Palestinians too.
Posted by Tom 2005-02-04 1:58:12 PM||   2005-02-04 1:58:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#53 Syria can't feel that comfortable with the US and Israel on either side, and Israeli jets doing flybys over the capital and palace. Time to ratchet up the pressure and get the Baathists uncomfortable.
Posted by Frank G  2005-02-04 1:59:29 PM||   2005-02-04 1:59:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#54 Oh, Sobiesky, I think we could make a list and check it twice.
Posted by Tom 2005-02-04 1:59:45 PM||   2005-02-04 1:59:45 PM|| Front Page Top

#55 Question Jarhead? You mentioned "we'll keep our kill ratio on jihadis at unbelievable proportions". Can you shed some light on those proportions? The MSM wants the world to believe we are getting our asses kicked, which Rantburgers know is not the case. I've been compiling as much info as I can since the start of Gulf War II. My total tallies for dead Iraqi's and foreign fighters is roughly 8,800 to our 1,450 and 16,000 iraqi civilians. I'm having a difficult time convincing my doubting crew that we are in fact hammering these guys. We are all firefighters and we feel that we have a special stake in this conflict. The guys are in the dumps thinking we haven't paid them back nearly enough. If you have any links or info on this please let me know.
Posted by Rightwing 2005-02-04 2:00:32 PM||   2005-02-04 2:00:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#56 You need a substantial casus belli, to get the above nicely sorted out.

a) Syria killing Americans and Iraqis in Iraq
b) supporting Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, Hamas
c) occupying Lebanon.
Posted by Aris Katsaris  2005-02-04 2:00:46 PM|| [http://www.livejournal.com/~katsaris/]  2005-02-04 2:00:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#57 OK, Ars, "killing Americans", we got it already -- before you even arrived.
Posted by Tom 2005-02-04 2:10:02 PM||   2005-02-04 2:10:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#58 That's "Airhead" for you. And do you not think it's sufficient casus belli?
Posted by Aris Katsaris  2005-02-04 2:11:33 PM|| [http://www.livejournal.com/~katsaris/]  2005-02-04 2:11:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#59 Tom - Well, there would always be some who don't want us to clean it up, such as Saudi Arabia and Iran.
Which, IMHO, are two very good reasons to keep the pressure on.

Discussions with adults are truly lovely, are they not? I so enjoy a thread with intelligent discussion.
Posted by Desert Blondie 2005-02-04 2:12:48 PM|| [http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com]  2005-02-04 2:12:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#60 ;-) May can't come too soon.
Posted by Frank G  2005-02-04 2:14:07 PM||   2005-02-04 2:14:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#61 I thought I heard something from the high chair. Never mind, lets all discuss the topic at hand here at the adult table.
Posted by Desert Blondie 2005-02-04 2:15:07 PM|| [http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com]  2005-02-04 2:15:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#62 Three months until the end of the Ars pain.
Posted by Tom 2005-02-04 2:17:12 PM||   2005-02-04 2:17:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#63 Tom, please don't discuss things like that. ;P
Posted by Desert Blondie 2005-02-04 2:20:20 PM|| [http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com]  2005-02-04 2:20:20 PM|| Front Page Top

#64 Saudi Arabia and Iran -- what could they do about it?
Posted by Tom 2005-02-04 2:20:58 PM||   2005-02-04 2:20:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#65 If you have a better list of casus bellis, feel free to share.

Just please don't add WMDs in there, or you'll be made a laughing stock.
Posted by Aris Katsaris  2005-02-04 2:29:31 PM|| [http://www.livejournal.com/~katsaris/]  2005-02-04 2:29:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#66 Ars.
Posted by Tom 2005-02-04 2:31:47 PM||   2005-02-04 2:31:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#67 i thought "Its working" was a bit of a joke. Obviously Baby assad asking to talk is only an INDICATION its working, not proof. so cool down everybody.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2005-02-04 2:32:03 PM||   2005-02-04 2:32:03 PM|| Front Page Top

#68 dont take everything so seriously. I mean if even IM saying that, you know you are taking it too seriously :)
Posted by Liberalhawk 2005-02-04 2:32:48 PM||   2005-02-04 2:32:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#69 Private Syrian jihadis in Iraq are not casus belli.

If they are, so would be French, Saudis, Jordanians, Egyptians, Lybians, Moroccans, Algerians, Kuwaitis, Iranians, Chechens ... and so on.

However, in Iran's case, there is some evidence that the goverment is involved in all sort of crap, in contrast with Syrian jihadis that have no apparent links with Assad's goverment.

Assad can always claim that these people slipped acrosss and that it is not entirely possible to control the border, but his administration is doing what they can to curb it. BS? Yea, but call it.

Occupation of Lebanon... ahm, that issue has a long beard and it seems that Lebanese are poised to deal with it very soon, thanks to the pressure on Assad from different directions.

Support for jihadis of different stripes... Again, Assad can claim with a degree of believability that he is trying to curb these groups, but has to do it cautiously because if he tried more radical approach, it may as well be his government's death warrant with jihadis as a replacement.

However, if there was something that can be interpreted as an unequivocal hostile act or a series of them, these above points may represent an additional weight.
Posted by Sobiesky 2005-02-04 2:33:21 PM||   2005-02-04 2:33:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#70 Openly? Nothing. But they could sponsor the local wackos and loons to cause headaches as part of an "uprising" as in Iraq.
The status quo in the region has been very good to them, especially the Saudis. Iran has to be nervous with American troops on two sides of them (Iraq and Afghanistan).
The last thing they would want to see is yet another country in the region heading towards some kind of democracy or accountability to their people.
Posted by Desert Blondie 2005-02-04 2:33:31 PM|| [http://azjetsetchick.blogspot.com]  2005-02-04 2:33:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#71 I think the mullahs might breathe a sigh of relief if we shifted forces and focus toward Syria for awhile. A democratic Syria is not like having a democratic Afghanistan or a democratic Iraq right next door.
Posted by Tom 2005-02-04 2:41:47 PM||   2005-02-04 2:41:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#72 << Private Syrian jihadis in Iraq are not casus belli.>>

It will be interesting to see what happens when the Iraqis demand the return of their money from Damascus banks and the extradition of Ba'athist criminals from their cozy condos.

And, perhaps, request assistance from the Coalition in achieving those demands, for the good of the newly-stabilizing Iraqi state.

Might not happen, of course ... but there are lots of ways to proced that don't need to involve tanks taking the shortcut to a Mediteranean ship.
Posted by true nuff 2005-02-04 2:45:06 PM||   2005-02-04 2:45:06 PM|| Front Page Top

#73 Tomorrow Syria then on to Greece.
Posted by trawling for allan 2005-02-04 3:19:57 PM|| [http://www.alleninthehouse.net]  2005-02-04 3:19:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#74 "For his part, Schroeder rejected a suggestion that US insistence on democratic change in Iran would compromise efforts by Germany, Britain and France to negotiate with Iran on the nuclear issue.


He said that US President George W. Bush 's "heart is where it should be" on democracy in Iran and added: "I couldn't agree more. I don't believe at all that there will be any weakening effect on the ongoing negotiations led by the three European countries."

Posted by Liberalhawk 2005-02-04 3:29:51 PM||   2005-02-04 3:29:51 PM|| Front Page Top

#75 It is interesting that Assad wants "democratic relations between nations." Presumably he means one country, one vote. That's very different from democratic relations between a state and its citizens.

Right word, wrong idea. But thanks for playing, "Save Your Anachronism!"
Posted by Baba Tutu 2005-02-04 3:56:18 PM||   2005-02-04 3:56:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#76 Looks like we got a PARASITE!
Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! It's all about me and my EGO! MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! Parasite, lazy parasite! LAZY PARASITE! YKTWBAGNFAB!
Posted by abu Meeeeeee 2005-02-04 4:41:39 PM||   2005-02-04 4:41:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#77 Hey, asshat! You're right, it's time for more "dialogue". Only, since you don't seem to understand the language we've been using, we've decided to change languages. How well do you speak JDAM?
Posted by Old Patriot  2005-02-04 5:26:12 PM|| [http://oldpatriot.blogspot.com/]  2005-02-04 5:26:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#78 I'am waiting for .com and than I'll agree with him
Posted by SwissTex  2005-02-04 7:28:37 PM||   2005-02-04 7:28:37 PM|| Front Page Top

#79 
Re #9 (Tom, about Aris): You really are the biggest Attention Whore on the 'Net...

Aris, to quote .com: "You really are the biggest Attention Whore on the 'Net..." "You get 99.99% of your info second or third or fourth hand. It's often tripe. That you are so certain, and perhaps proud of this tainted and flawed version of reality, it's little wonder you're a walking (I assume) talking fuckwit of half-truths and pure unsubstantiated opinion. You're truly a sad and pathetic little boy. So full of yourself, so full of shit, but that's redundant - it's just you being yourself. Perhaps you'll get a lesson, the hard one, soon. One can hope, for your sake. But for Rantburg, it's irrelevant - it's your personality disorder and should be dealt with offstage. You are typical of a guest on Jerry Springer." "Pure pontification. Aris, your true name is impotent conceit - for that is the one indisputable trait that identifies you." "No one gives a fuck what you think. No one gives a fuck why. No one gives a fuck if you live, die, or admit you're a dull gay blade who sucks cock better than Divine Brown and Linda Lovelace put together. No one gives a fuck about Greece, about their opinions, their government, their attitudes, their lives, their deaths. No one cares if it falls into the ocean or is swept clean by the next tsunami. No one would notice. No one cares if the EU builds a military or continues to suck tit. No one cares if they accept or reject a constitution. No one cares what you think about international institutions. No one cares about what you think makes America tick. No one cares what you think Red State and Blue State mean. No one cares what you think of American idiomatic or colloquial speech. No one cares what you're *sure* or *fucking clueless* about. No one cares. Because you are no one. Fuck, less than no one." "It boggles how you pontificate, posture, preen and pose, yet you're impotent and imminently irrelevant. The only unique thing about you is your massive tumorous conceit - perhaps an achievement in your environs, but of no consequence outside your infantile mind. You're merely the arrogant little L'enfante terrible of conceit, endlessly blathering from the hinterhindquarters of the swampy lowlands of nowhere muttering to yourself - signifying nothing. Your opinion is of no consequence, nor is it worth the bandwidth or the time. Impotent. And that's why you post, your terminal case of LSM (Little Man Syndrome) simply overwhelms what logical faculties you might have, swamping your entire being in rage and hopeless helplessness." "Sucks to be you, I'd wager, "LEECHBOY." "All: Impotent conceit. That sums up all aspects of Aris. He can affect nothing. He has no power. He isn't capable of anything except yapping - like the little dogs who get so excited they pee themselves. Ignore it and it will implode. Irksome, but terminally Irrelevant. Impotent. Insignificant. Inconsequential. Yap! Yap! Infantile. Inane. Yap! Insane. Idiot." I requested it for "The Clasics". #34 at: http://rantburg.com/poparticle.asp? We don't need you to tell us that Syria is killing Americans, Airhead Krapsaris. Mrs. D, first he needs to acknowledge that he has a problem: http://www.sextreatment.com/masochism.htm Get treatment, Air. Go find yourself a goat. Mrs. D, first he needs to acknowledge that he has a problem: http://www.sextreatment.com/masochism.htm Get treatment, Air. http://www.sextreatment.com/masochism.htm http://www.sextreatment.com/masochism.htm Swineherder? I could have sworn Long Hair Republican said "goatfucker"! Oh, yes -- June 28, 2004. Definitely "goatfucker". Here, Airhead, an old American expression that you need to learn: "You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear." Fits well with "y'all" and "pshaw" too. You can't look at a map of Syria and tell me that a whole lot of people wouldn't be happy to have us clean it up: Israel, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, the Kurds... And doing so would put Iran's influence that much farther away from the Palestinians too. Oh, Sobiesky, I think we could make a list and check it twice. OK, Ars, "killing Americans", we got it already -- before you even arrived. Three months until the end of the Ars pain. Saudi Arabia and Iran -- what could they do about it? I think the mullahs might breathe a sigh of relief if we shifted forces and focus toward Syria for awhile. A democratic Syria is not like having a democratic Afghanistan or a democratic Iraq right next door. Ars. Oh, Mikey, how soon you forget! Remember: "Kojo Annon Coughs Up Truth About Dirty Oil Dealings" http://rantburg.com/poparticle.asp? HC=&D=1/30/2005&ID=55052 http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1462576,00.html Perhaps, Raptor, they would have favored you if you hadn't shown it to them. ;) Bravo Al Mudhiryiah! Encore! Encore! Hopefully we will extradite to Iraq any of these war criminals we can seize. Personnally, I'd pick them up right on the street, even in New York City. Diplomatic immunity be damned. These are not diplomats of sovereign nations -- these are U.N. gangsters and their criminal associates. Geez, what's with Seattle? They're starting to make San Francisco look civilized. Kojo, 31, has a £500,000 flat on London’s King Road. I'd certainly be looking into that.
Posted by Mike Sylwester 2005-02-04 9:02:34 PM||   2005-02-04 9:02:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#80 Mikey's having a meltdown.
Posted by Tom 2005-02-04 9:11:30 PM||   2005-02-04 9:11:30 PM|| Front Page Top

#81 Tom, you can cause him to have a snit fit without even trying. Good job.
Posted by .com 2005-02-04 9:13:09 PM||   2005-02-04 9:13:09 PM|| Front Page Top

#82 You need a towel, Mike?
Posted by Dave D. 2005-02-04 9:15:33 PM||   2005-02-04 9:15:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#83 Or a chin-dribble cup?
Posted by .com 2005-02-04 9:17:12 PM||   2005-02-04 9:17:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#84 Or a sedative?
Posted by Tom 2005-02-04 9:17:58 PM||   2005-02-04 9:17:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#85 Oh yeah, lots of meds. Dr Steve? Recommendations?
Posted by .com 2005-02-04 9:18:52 PM||   2005-02-04 9:18:52 PM|| Front Page Top

#86 RW, sorry took me so long to answer your Q.

Depends on the kill ratio you want to know? For the total war period? Or, just during the so called insurgency period?

Actual U.S. combat related deaths is around 1,089. The others were non-combat accidental deaths. Both numbers includes the entire time we've been at GW2.

I think your 8,800 number is low if we're talking the entire GW2. Remember, we don't officially post enemy kia's anymore so I can't give you anything that I can reference other then the msm reports, which I'm sure none of us gives a rat's ass about anymore. Truth be told, we slaughtered about 3 divisions worth of Iraqi regulars in the first three weeks or sooner of the war by most counts. My conservative swag (scientific wild assed guess) based on my lads who've been there would mean about 25,000 iraqi regs/rep guards are dead.

As far as after the "regular war" our kill ratio's something like 11 to 1, and that's being conservative. Pretty amazing considering urban terrain and lack of good actionable intel our boys have there, for now. Plus remember our tactics, we do no more then what the job calls for, how many jihadis got away because we show restraint in wasting a grid square? Prolly a shit load. Also, most of our combat deaths are convoy and other service support troops, not grunts. Convoys are not meant to dismount and go after the ambushers, we drive right through an ambush, that's doctrine, so you're not going to see a big kill ratio there. If it makes you feel better, look at the ass kicking the jihadis took in fallujah. An urban environment where usually the attacker takes 3 to 5 times the amount of casualties then the defender, that scenario was inverted times about two.

Posted by Jeamp Ebbereting9472 aka Jarhead 2005-02-04 9:37:44 PM||   2005-02-04 9:37:44 PM|| Front Page Top

#87 oops, I meant *not* wasting a grid square? Typical freudian slip for a warmonger such as I.
Posted by Jeamp Ebbereting9472 aka Jarhead 2005-02-04 9:39:23 PM||   2005-02-04 9:39:23 PM|| Front Page Top

#88 
Re #9 (Tom, quoting .com, about Aris): Aris, to quote .com: You really are the biggest Attention Whore on the 'Net...

Nothing to talk about, Babe. You know the drill. ROFL!!! Too funny, Fred! In the great tradition of Mata Hari, lol! Hmmm, I wonder how many Holy Men were seduced... Prolly the most eager of the lot. The Meese Commission would prolly volunteer to help... Lol! A fine Arafish parody, heh. I noticed how Kofi the Brave left his buddy of 3 decades, Benon Sevan, slowly twisting in the wind, yesterday... He's now solely interested in saving his own ass - and that's odd considering he only has 2 yrs to go. Ideas? Wow. Julian Borger's almost bright. Sorta half-bright. Perfect for AlG. In essence, this brings nothing new to light except more rehashed Mad Mullah faux Black Hat bravura and bluster. Keep it up, boyz. You're doing great. Inviting an actual "moderate" voice, Kipper, is the anchor of this piece. She's rational, but absolutely against anything but diplomatic means. I wonder if she'd be quite so calm and analytical about her diplomacy-only position if the Mullahs had her home targeted as ground zero... Tick... Tock... MullahWankers. Lh - I believe he remembers recognizes the consequences of a 2-front war... ROFL!!! W00t! One more box to check... Tick... Tock... MullahWankers. Shit. Been there / done that a thousand times. We've beat this dead horse more than almost any other topic. Looooong before its self-appointed apologist came on the scene. It's broken. Fatally. It can't get up. Kill it. Design one that will work limited to participants that will let it work. Everybody else can move to Paris and form a daisy chain. It's a quagmire. Where's our exit strategy? Hey, you'll get no argument from me - I've never trusted the freak. Talk to Lh and lex - they seemed to think he is a positive. Maybe, in the end, they'll be right... but I do remember he killed the first draft constitution because it stipulated a secular govt and has never been particularly helpful in anything, except when he bopped off to London so the Jarines and 1st Air Cav (?) could stomp Sadr in Najaf. In the Shi'a corner, I think the notion that the Iraqi Arabs will take direction from Iranian Persians is bullshit, I figure it will be their own gig, whatever form it takes. The shrine biz is what differentiates the turbans from the little people in Iraq. They make serious money from pilgrims and play the scholar role, emphasizing the importance of the religious game to propagate their power. Islam's a power scam. If they take over the Govt, too, well it's Iran, again. The poor Iraqi Shi'a will be screwed. Same old wine, new bottle, new label, methinks. And yep, the Kurds will split - and they should. The Sunnis? Mebbe they'll become the new dimwit "Palestinians" of the M.E. They've earned whatever happens to them - in spades. We shall see if Sistani & Co are just a new flavor of Khomeini & Co - or if they give a shit about their followers. Good advice, RbR... Maybe it will turn out dandy. Maybe it won't. We'll see. Regardless, I hope the Kurds are eventually unshackled from the Iraqi Arabs. They deserve better. phil_b - Here's another on a large scale... think we they can slice off the top of Syria for Med access? A chunk of Iran and a large chunk of Turkey should do nicely, as well, thanks - heh. No wonder the Turks are freaked - and it means absolutely nothing at all to me that they are. Life sucks when you get used to owning someone else's land, I guess. Looking at this map, I can't help but conclude that Sykes and Picot were puffing some primo hash... Interesting. I'll bet this got quite a bit of "play" from the various entities advising the President - and would have had one or two eye-opening assessments. Knowing Bush, he just might go - if only to show respect for those who died at the hands of terrorists. Hard to say if the situation would offer quality meeting time or if he even wants to meet with any of the other attendees. Certainly, Zappie is not on his list - if / when that happens, it will be on US turf and the invitation initiated by the US. One other observation is that he clearly likes and respects Aznar, so if Aznar will be there that might sway the decision, as well. JM / AR - Gotta differ with you guys. It was after the attack that the public beat feet and brought Zappie to power. The election, held only days after the event - before the Spaniards could make sense of it and see the big picture, was shameful, the attack was cowardly on the part of the attackers. I see no kow-tow involved in honoring the victims - for they were victims. Spain didn't ask for it - not until afterwards, IMHO. Your logic leads to a place you don't want to go, methinks. TU - your #7 comment means the same applies to the 9/11 victims - you say forget 'em? This is precisely what I meant when I warned where that logic takes you. The people in the Madrid train massacre were victims on 3/11. On election day, the nation voted to become dhimmis. Sorry, but you're wrong, IMHO. I guess we can agree to disagree, but I do not accept that the 9/11 and 3/11 victims are different. What differentiates the two situations is how their people and elected Govts responded. Sigh. Yet another cultural and political tumor on the host. Someday soon the PC / Rainbow / Diversity fuckwits (my generation) will lose their grip on the social levers, aging and dying off. Then, perhaps, assimilation will resume its rightful place as an expectation for those who immigrate to the US. Every group that tries to remain aloof and separate, for whatever reason, acts precisely like a tumor. IIRC, when vigilantiism was discussed as a hypothetical here in the 'Burg, opinions were divided. Now that it's a reality, has anyone changed their mind? Personally, I think this rocks. I think, given what the second source on the story said (www.abc.net.au's Mark Willacy) that we will see more. Everyone who was warned not to vote is likely to receive a visit if they disobeyed and voted. The local leader certainly knows his own society and will be expecting the reprisal. I am beyond happy that he ambushed them - and I hope the wounded were given to interrogators who showed no, that's zero, mercy in seeking intel on who sent them. Not to be argumentative, but to make a point, it's not stated in either article who fired first, but implied by the use of "attack"... They were threatened and the response is up to the tribe or clan leader. This is Arab "honor" at stake, here. As an Arab dealing with other Arabs, he knew what was coming and I'll bet it was an ambush of the asshats. I'm thinking Northfield Raid, as a parallel. He would lose a lot of status and support if he was threatened, attacked, and people were injured because he was only passively prepared. Just my guess, but it's as good as any other in the face of missing detail, and better matches my understanding of the Arab "honor" game. I'll PayPal him money for more ammo if he'll provide a link. Hey - no big deal to me. You can get excited if you want, it's your kharma. And from the second source: "We understand that last night the insurgents came back to punish the people of al-Mudhariya, but instead of metering out that punishment the villagers fought back and they killed five of the insurgents and wounded eight. They then burnt the insurgents' car. So the people of that village have certainly had enough of the insurgents." No use of "attack" there... No big deal, just offering what my understanding would suggest happened as neither story is precise. The tribe will tell it as it pleases them - cuz they won the engagement. The Arabs will tell and retell and read between the lines as it pleases them, as well. Truly, no big deal to me. My impression is only that, my impression. Only a first-hand account from an honest and neutral source could be trusted for total accuracy in an incident such as this. Just as the MSM has gone into agenda-mode, Arabs have their own way of dealing with each other, the Press, and the truth, you know. -30- Lol, BigEd! I haven't seen the movie cuz I refuse to give Hollyweird Loot, Rape, and Pillage System so much of my hard-earned scratch to go to a theater, so this was great fun, Thx, heh. I'll do the DVD, see at a matinee price, or watch on cable, but NEVER will I pay premium $$$ into the Hollyweird System every again. I treat them just the same as France, China, Germany, Belgium, Russia, et al. I know, I'm missing out - such is the price of my principles, lol! Lol, Mrs D. When it comes out an DVD I'll rip it and share, lol! Oddly, it seems he can't grasp the obvious: it's accurate. I guess if his ilk can't apply it, then it's only a word which has lost any useful meaning. SocioFascistIslamoBat™ wank-o-matic AlG twitter. RIP, John, you were excellent. Voice and presence both exceptional. Thanx for the good memories. By "haircut" I presume you mean a scalping, bad? Count coup on this 'tard and toss him out. Koo-tah-haaay! Nope - damnit! If anyone knows, please post! Lol! I remember a little Cherokee - something like: Wahkinah tay too, wopinah tah tonay. It about facing the rising sun or something, lol! Longhorn Council Order of the Arrow. Hey I was only 14 when I went in and can't remember. This is much like klaatu berada nikto, heh... Do not eat this packet - Lol! Spewed coffee when the "Urk. Gleep." sank in, heh, instant flashback to the Jetsons robot... Heh - made me go to Dictionary.com to get: autodidact n : a person who is self-taught Yeah, since they're dropouts, they're self-taught, alright, lol! To be equally inane about it... On the other side of the equation, how about issuing arrest warrants for all officials of Old Europe - for cowardice in the face of the enemy - or whatever the legal beagles want to call it? The groundskeeper would be apoplectic - plays hell with the turf, y'know, lol! I saw a demo of two miniguns attached to a Cobra down at Ft [mumble] when they were being initially rolled out and the claim of putting a round in every square foot of a football field in 10 seconds (120' x 300' = 36000 sq ft / 4,000 rpm = 9 seconds, assuming perfect aim tracking) certainly seemed believable. The Snake appeared to back up when both guns went active (momentarily lost in a local cloud of smoke not dissipated by the blades!) - and the target area looked like liquefied soil at a rapid boil. Stunning. We're talking major skidmarks, here. Quite a sight back ~35 yrs ago, I assure you. The burrrrrrrrip! of a mini is the most welcome sound imaginable - if you're US. Must be the ultimate sound of terror if you're them. The Indian subcontinent is a lost province of the Middle Kingdom. Eventually, it must be reassimilated. Silly Indians. Free cookies, oh the horror! La Plata County Court Judge Doug Walker should be tossed out on his ass next election cycle, the wanking moron. If I had my way, Wanita Young would be heavily sedated, wrapped in swaddling clothes, placed in a big basket, taken to a Blue State, set on the front step of a large Psychiatric Hospital late at night... then ring the doorbell and run. She'd fit right in. She doesn't deserve neighbors who do such nice things - and neither does the "judge". Take the cost of the shuffle out of Walker's salary. Unfreakingbelievable. The site may be New Scientist, but this was not said by a scientist - it's idiot-talk. So I will write off New Scientist as yet another Science in the Public Interest wankeroo group.
Posted by Mike Sylwester 2005-02-04 11:39:57 PM||   2005-02-04 11:39:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#89 Jealous of Aris' Attention Whore status, Mikey?

Well, you trumped him today with your moronic and childish reposting of Tom's and then my comments for almost the entire day.

You must be someone's exceptionally well-beaten red-headed stepchild - or want to be.

What a retard. Fuck off Mikey, you're an appurtenance. And an infantile one at that.
Posted by .com 2005-02-05 12:01:13 AM||   2005-02-05 12:01:13 AM|| Front Page Top

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