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2004-12-30 Home Front: WoT
Muslims claim unfair treatment at border
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Posted by Steve 2004-12-30 10:01:44 AM|| || Front Page|| [11129 views since 2007-05-07]  Top

#1 That's the price of crossing the border.
Posted by Snath Ebbish7855 2004-12-30 10:31:09 AM||   2004-12-30 10:31:09 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 A "relgious conference", you say? Who were the speakers, and was it all hosted in English? How much zakat did you fork over for the "Palestinian Widows' and Orphans' Fund?" Did any of the organizers give you business cards, phone numbers, or ask you to pass along a message to "Cousin Mahmoud?"
Posted by Seafarious  2004-12-30 10:34:48 AM||   2004-12-30 10:34:48 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 "It was kind of dramatic. You really feel like a criminal and you haven't done anything wrong," said Rizek, who was born in the United States.

Trust me: If you were made to 'feel like a criminal' you would be sitting in jail right now.

"The image of a room full of American Muslim citizens apparently being held solely because of their faith and the fact that they attended an Islamic conference is one that should be disturbing to all Americans who value religious freedom," said Nihad Awad, executive director of the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations.

Which 'religious freedom' would that be? The freedom to be associated with a religion known to support and fund mass murder worldwide, or the activities like antitheistic organizations like the ACLU to censor Christianity?

He said one of the messages of the convention was how to change for the better the way people feel about Muslims post-Sept. 11

The best way to do that? Accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior. Convert from your barbaric religion to something less barbaric.
Posted by badanov  2004-12-30 10:39:15 AM|| [http://www.rkka.org]  2004-12-30 10:39:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 But they can't convert, bad. Their lives are forfeit if they leave Allan's benevolent embrace...
Posted by Seafarious  2004-12-30 10:42:57 AM||   2004-12-30 10:42:57 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 I'm thinking of going to Mecca and/or Medina some time in the New Year for a bit or R&R. I am sure that I won't be hassled by anyone en route. These Muslim chaps don't sound like the types to tolerate racial profiling of travelers.
Posted by Bulldog  2004-12-30 10:46:34 AM||   2004-12-30 10:46:34 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 "Racial"? I mean 'religious'.
Posted by Bulldog  2004-12-30 10:47:08 AM||   2004-12-30 10:47:08 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 This is the best news I've heard since - November. Keep it up, BP.
Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-12-30 10:56:20 AM||   2004-12-30 10:56:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 Poor damn victimized Muslims. They never get a break.
By the way, anybody got a list of the speakers at their "religious conference"? I'd be interested in seeing that.
Posted by tu3031 2004-12-30 11:00:47 AM||   2004-12-30 11:00:47 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 See post 9
Go to post #9 for a review from an enthusiatic participant.
Next Imam Zaid Shakir (American convert) talked about making peace in the world, and how the Prophet p.b.u.h. did that. (By raiding caravans and chopping off the heads of the Quraishis?)

Dr. Umar Faruq Abd-Allah talked about the history of Islam in America and Canada. Beginning with pre-Columbus discoveries of North America and on to the slaves who were brang in the continent..then the more recent immigration of global muslims, Islam has deep roots in North America. (In other words, North America was muslim before Columbus, so muslims are the rightful rulers.)

Then, Allah will raise it up whenever He wills to raise it up. Then, there will be a Caliphate that follows the guidance of Prophethood." ... After this, I felt that there was so much more hope in this world of Muslims being in power again, because I hadn't heard of this hadeeth before. If you want to know more about it (before getting the RIS DVD of course :thumbsup: ) go to http://www.geocities.com/anwardotcom/khilafah.html which is basically the same explanation given by Dr. Suwaidan. I can't wait to go again :i: XD. (Ah, yes. The neverending goal to rule the world under the Caliphate.)

Here is a Daniel Pipes article on last year's Reviving the Islamic Spirit conference in Toronto: Canadian Islamists Host a Neo-Nazi

The next Toronto Islamic conference: Toronto Shariah Program. How appropriate.
Posted by ed 2004-12-30 11:06:28 AM||   2004-12-30 11:06:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 Truly the internet is a wonderul thing:

http://www.revivingtheislamicspirit.com/convention/speakers.asp
Posted by Seafarious  2004-12-30 11:06:46 AM||   2004-12-30 11:06:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 lol - beat me by "that much"
Posted by Maxwell Smart  2004-12-30 11:09:06 AM||   2004-12-30 11:09:06 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 Crap. The link came out too wide. Can a moderator please hide it under the tag "Islamic Forum posting"? Thanks.
Posted by ed 2004-12-30 11:09:55 AM||   2004-12-30 11:09:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 anybody got a list of the speakers at their "religious conference"?

Ask and Google doth provide:

Among the many confirmed speakers are Dr. Tareq Suwaidan, Shaykh Hamza Yusuf, Ustadh Amr Khaled, Imran Khan, Dr. Zakir Naik and LIVE nasheed performances by RAIHAN and SAMI YUSUF.
Oh, look! A website! Go to programs, someone with more knowledge will have to look these guys up.
Posted by Steve  2004-12-30 11:11:13 AM||   2004-12-30 11:11:13 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 "The image... is one that should be disturbing to all Americans who value religious freedom."

I've got some news for you, you raghead bastard: ISLAM is disturbing to Americans who value religious freedom, because Islam is the utter negation of religious freedom.

Get out. Get out while you still can.
Posted by Dave D.  2004-12-30 11:12:05 AM||   2004-12-30 11:12:05 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 These morons wanted to know why they were being DETAINED? I want to know why on earth we let them back in at all??? Here's hoping that next year's conference is even bigger...and that we seal the freaking border after they all get NORTH of it!!
Posted by Justrand 2004-12-30 11:21:10 AM||   2004-12-30 11:21:10 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 Islam is the utter negation of religious freedom.

Well said, Dave.
Posted by Jules 187 2004-12-30 11:22:27 AM||   2004-12-30 11:22:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 Danm stright Dave. Do you think we could even *have* a christian revival meeting in Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, or even Indonesia? (Or even Iraq for that matter).

I'll listen to their bellyaching when we start raping, beating, chopping their heads off for even attending an 'Islamic' conference. (Not that I'm advocating we do these things.)

Ingrates!
Posted by DirecterOfSecretOperations 2004-12-30 11:30:25 AM||   2004-12-30 11:30:25 AM|| Front Page Top

#18 Thanks, Emily. Looking at the program, I have to be fair and say that there isn't anything that would cause my twitchy antennae to think, "hmmm, they're talking about conquest, booms and jihad". But perhaps that's just the public face and they talked about something else behind closed doors.

The folks at that bridge could help us immensely by being the true moderate Muslims they claim to be -- by speaking about against the jihadis, and more importantly by pointing out the jihadis and their helpers. Then we could finish the WoT, and they could go back to their peaceful religious conferences.
Posted by Steve White  2004-12-30 11:49:43 AM||   2004-12-30 11:49:43 AM|| Front Page Top

#19 That's the price of crossing the border

Yup. Story I heard back in the '70s, about an incident in the '50s or so. May be apocryphal:

The Reform Jewish Youth organization is (and was) called the National Federation of Temple Youth - NFTY for short. Regional groups have similar acronyms - thus NEFTY is New England Federation of Temple Youth, CAFTY is California, etc.

Well the region that included Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto was called, naturally enough, Lake Erie Federation of Temple Youth. LEFTY. So a bunch of kids from Toronto is asked at the border why theyre going to Buffalo - "We're going to a LEFTY meeting" Took a lot of explaining. Which is why (so its said) the region was subsequently named NELFTY (North Eastern Lakes Federation of Temple Youth)





Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-12-30 11:57:23 AM||   2004-12-30 11:57:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#20 Wow. They were fingerprinted? And then offered coffee and tea?
Will the brutality of our government never stop???
BTW....thanks, Border Patrol (whose members, I daresay, have been fingerprinted at least once to get their jobs.....and probably weren't offered beverages at the time they submitted to this gross indignity.)
Posted by Desert Blondie 2004-12-30 12:27:00 PM||   2004-12-30 12:27:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 LOL LH are you serious?
Posted by Shipman 2004-12-30 12:43:33 PM||   2004-12-30 12:43:33 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 In the '70s it WAS called NELFTY (North Eastern Lakes Federation of Temple Youth) which was the oddest name among all the regions. I asked somebody why, and thats the story I got. Of course it MIGHT have had something to do with Toronto being on Lake Ontario rather than Lake Erie:) Or maybe just someone getting tired of "lefty" jokes. I suppose these days theres actually some way to check it out, but Ive never tried.
Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-12-30 1:00:05 PM||   2004-12-30 1:00:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 As many a Rabbi would say, it may not be LITERALLY true, but it expressed a deeper truth :)
Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-12-30 1:01:24 PM||   2004-12-30 1:01:24 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 a Rabbi? Sounds like Dan Rather....
Posted by Frank G  2004-12-30 1:03:56 PM||   2004-12-30 1:03:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 Ain't that the shitz
Posted by Capt America  2004-12-30 1:08:29 PM||   2004-12-30 1:08:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 BTW, modern fingerprinting mostly involves a "livescan" unit. Slap your pinkies down on a glass panel for all of 10 seconds, no ink and paper. That's so brutal, dude...
Posted by mojo  2004-12-30 1:18:35 PM||   2004-12-30 1:18:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 and invasive. Just like the Fla woman who wanted her veil on for her DL photo - these mooks shoulda been allowed to wear gloves for their fingerprinting. It says so in the Koran
Posted by Frank G  2004-12-30 1:22:16 PM||   2004-12-30 1:22:16 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 Ya da ya da ya da!
Posted by John Q. Citizen 2004-12-30 3:24:17 PM||   2004-12-30 3:24:17 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 They should be glad I didn't "roll" their prints. They might still be there. If I had to give my prints to get back in the country It would be no problem. I suggest carrying your passport next time diptards.
Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-12-30 3:37:54 PM|| [http://www.slhess.com]  2004-12-30 3:37:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 well wadya know? In response to Ships Q, i did a little searching. DIDNT find the answer, but DID find an alumni page for NFTY. And found that several people I went to camp with are doing just fine. All the girls I had crushes on are married :) which should suit mrs hawk just fine;). One young woman who sat next to me in modern Hebrew class moved to Israel and got married there. Guess her Hebrew is better than mine now (mine was FAR better then)
Posted by Liberalhawk 2004-12-30 3:38:43 PM||   2004-12-30 3:38:43 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 Congrats on your discoveries, LH. My kids wanted to stop in Denver on the way back from Vail to meet my high school boyfriend, just to see how much better their daddy is. Girls can be cruel! (I refused. Let them be mean on their own time. And anyway, he finally found happiness with wife #3, and should be allowed to enjoy in peace).
Posted by trailing wife 2004-12-30 4:47:49 PM||   2004-12-30 4:47:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 He said one of the messages of the convention was how to change for the better the way people feel about Muslims post-Sept. 11.

One way is not to get all bent out of shape over increased scrutiny caused by the actions of your fellow Muslims.

Assign blame where it rightfully belongs, not where emotion says it should go.
Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-12-30 5:03:32 PM||   2004-12-30 5:03:32 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 I would have offered them chips with pork-dip.
Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-12-30 11:20:18 PM|| [http://www.slhess.com]  2004-12-30 11:20:18 PM|| Front Page Top

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