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2004-12-09 Britain

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Posted by Howard UK 2004-12-09 6:26:55 AM|| || Front Page|| [11130 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 Howard UK:

Let me tell you an interesting story. I have some family in Dublin whom I was visiting a few years back. After a few drinks, one of my cousins began complaining about the recent wave of immigration which has flowed into Ireland over the last few years; a new and novel concept for the Irish as people tend to flee from, rather than to, the Emerald Isle. I assumed that this was a racial thing, so I asked her if she meant the Ethiopians as they are the most physically different immigrants.

"No," she replied, waving her hand in that dismissive peculiar Dubliners' manner, "we don't mind them. They're family people."

"Then you must mean the Bosnians." I commented, assuming it was a religious conflict. As you well know the Irish take religion notoriously seriously, and most Bosnians are Muslims (abet very slack ones).

"No, we don't mind them either." She commented, "They're not a problem."

I think you can see where this is headed. My cousin was angry with The Roma. For while it's all too true that The Roma have sticky fingers and like to live off of government handouts, they also like to beg in the streets. And while the former pastimes might be Irish traditions, begging is considered lower than low.

Posted by Secret Master 2004-12-09 1:31:07 PM|| 2004-12-09 1:31:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#2 Nobody wants the Roma...even more than they don't want the Jews. Hitler murdered 1/3 of the Jews on this planet, but 90% of the Roma.

Posted by trailing wife 2004-12-09 2:53:00 PM|| 2004-12-09 2:53:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#3 trailing wife:

Yeah; good point. The Nazis were as close to pure evil as the 20th Century produced. I don't really know enough about The Roma personally to have a clear opinion of their character. I was just reporting what Cousin Nancy had to say on the matter for general "huh" purposes.

Posted by Secret Master 2004-12-09 3:51:11 PM|| 2004-12-09 3:51:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#4 I clearly recall, the first time I was in Dublin more 30 years ago, the Gypsies (roma) begging on the streets - women in rags with dirty barefooted children. At the time beggars were unheard of in the UK and it was the first time I had ever seen one.

Posted by phil_b 2004-12-09 4:03:54 PM|| 2004-12-09 4:03:54 PM|| Front Page Top

#5 Romani have been in Ireland for centuries. I saw them as recently as ten years ago. They work as tinkers primarily. And yes, they steal and beg. So it goes. Some of them have immigrated one way or the other to the US, where they run several scams, the most popular of which is the guy who shows up at your front door and offers to redo your driveway. Here they're called travelers. Same guys.

Posted by Weird Al 2004-12-09 4:54:00 PM|| 2004-12-09 4:54:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#6 phil_b and Weird Al:

You guys misunderstand me. The Tinkers have indeed been in Ireland for hundreds of years but they aren't Roma at all. They are a separate indigenous nomadic population of native Celtic Irish, descendants of a clan which was displaced centuries ago by political upheaval that simply never settled back down again (or so I am told). I have visited one of their camps near Cork and I can tell you that they are not gypsies. Are they thieves, prostitutes, and bums? Pretty much. Are the Roma? Nope. And, yes, the Irish look down on them as well.

My counsin was talking about Central European Roma, not Tinkers.

Posted by Secret Master 2004-12-09 5:18:39 PM|| 2004-12-09 5:18:39 PM|| Front Page Top

#7 Whoever they are no one wants them. I read at least one article a month about some UK council or the other is evicting them (travelers) and their "caravans" from some land someplace. The travelers have a different stigma than the "gypsies" have? The Beeb never refers to them as "Roma" but gypsies. Are we talking about a 3rd group here? Isn't Romainia big enough for all of them?

If anyone tried the stuff I read about at the BBC website here in the US they would be dipped in shit by the MSM, hung out to dry and left for dead in some court room someplace bleeding from their arse after some LLL lawyers, a liberal judge and,the Federal government was done with them.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-12-09 5:55:12 PM|| [http://www.slhess.com] 2004-12-09 5:55:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#8 by stopping people, mostly Roma, from boarding flights to Britain from the Czech capital Prague

Well, well, is not that precioussss?

When Czechs applied for EU membership, it was mostly UK screaming from the top of the lungs about discrimination of Roma in Czech Republic.

(the discrimination like not letting kids pass the grades if there was not adequate performance, or not providing lifelong dole and such horrible human rights abuses and crimes)

UK, Hypocrisy is thy middle name.

Posted by Sobiesky 2004-12-09 5:58:05 PM|| 2004-12-09 5:58:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#9 The Roma, a.k.a. Gypsies, are an Aryan tribe that wandered out of India after the lands to the west had been settled, and have been wandering ever since, first across Europe and then, like everyone else, across the U.S. The Travellors, a.k.a. Tinkers, are as Secret Master said, indigenous to the Isles. Both groups have been allowed very little opportunity over the centuries to join mainstream society, and thus feel justified in their life of petty crime. One of those chicken/egg things, I guess, and Cousin Nancy expressed the general view.

Posted by trailing wife 2004-12-09 9:34:11 PM|| 2004-12-09 9:34:11 PM|| Front Page Top

#10 travelers = Irish/Celt/UK trailer trash.
Gypsies/Roma = Different UK trailer trash and beggars.
Then I guess.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-12-09 9:44:57 PM|| [http://www.slhess.com] 2004-12-09 9:44:57 PM|| Front Page Top

#11 I saw many tinkers when I was on the west coast of Ireland back in 1996. I saw one of the most beautiful women I've ever seen during that trip. She was a tinker woman wearing a very brightly colored patch worked dress with long raven black hair and walking a white horse along a beach. They had one of those house wagons parked a little ways down the beach. It was surreal and I'm definitely not the touchy feely type. (I wasn't even drunk - at that time of day anyways). I was single at the time and thought about turning around and introducing myself. My instincts told me I'd prolly be set up for my wallet getting lifted so I declined. Prolly a mistake as it could've been the best mugging of my life.

Posted by Jarhead 2004-12-09 9:47:20 PM|| 2004-12-09 9:47:20 PM|| Front Page Top

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