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Distraught Darwin Nominee - Frenzied Ground Zero Suicide Caused by Democrat Rhetoric

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Posted by BigEd 2004-11-07 1:12:44 AM|| || Front Page|| [11136 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 What kind of moron would kill himself because an election went this way or that way? and to travel to Ground Zero and desecrate it like that?

Didn't he have a life? values? ambitions? personal purpose? friends?

At least he didn't kill others in his folly.

Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2004-11-07 3:24:16 AM|| [http://radio.weblogs.com/0103811/categories/currentEvents/] 2004-11-07 3:24:16 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Halleluja!
Another liberal aborted! Isn't that great?
The sick son-of-a-bitch should have been aborted at birth but his mother was too busy sucking up to a liberal somewhere and forgot. Well, all good things come to those who wait and it finally came to this sorry son-of-a-bitch. I bet he is having a ball with the rest of those islamo fascists who thought they were going to live happily ever after with the 70 virgins.

One down, a few million more to go.

Posted by joecool 2004-11-07 3:54:34 AM|| 2004-11-07 3:54:34 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 she understood how Bushâs victory disturbed those who dislike him - She was misquoted and in fact said - she understood how the disturbed disliked Bushâs victory.

Posted by phil_b 2004-11-07 4:44:05 AM|| 2004-11-07 4:44:05 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Okay, this won't be popular here at Rantburg, but I'll tell you all what I've told those on the left:

It is time for this country to pull together. Conservatives are just as guilty as liberals of indulging in corrosive hateful rhetoric.

Blowing off a little steam is okay. But there comes a point where a little self-discipline is needed, because we are facing a 20 yr war here folks.

I am a moderate / centrist with some libertarian, conservative, and democratic leanings. I voted Bush/Cheney this year for a variety of reasons, among them the puerile, irresponsible hate aimed at GWB by many on the left -- and particularly because no liberal leaders denounced it.

But if the conservatives indulge in the same irresponsible hate, you will find me voting on the other side next time.

Sorry to be a downer on the post-election glee. I think most here at RB know how seriously I take the GWOT and our work in Iraq. But even they are only one part of the challenges we face for a generation.

I'm 53. I don't relish the idea that most of the rest of my life will be taken up with responding to massive geopolitical, economic and demographic shifts around the globe. But there it is -- they ARE happening and it is by no means certain we will cope with them well. It will take all of us working together to make that happen.

Please guys - be better than the LLL. Don't sink to their level. The country and the world need the best you can offer.

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Posted by Robin Burk 2004-11-07 6:48:33 AM|| 2004-11-07 6:48:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 Robin's one of those folks who have joined this chorus calling LGF a hate site.

Hey Robin, how about apply all those sentiments to yourself first and we'll see how things go?

Posted by badanov 2004-11-07 7:16:34 AM|| [http://www.rkka.org/title-boris.gif] 2004-11-07 7:16:34 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 I figured joecool was in his cups at 3:54 on Sunday morning. But I have to speak up in Robin's defence. It'd be a loss for rb if she stopped visiting.

I don't know how to describe LGF, but I hope Rantburg doesn't become LGF Lite. One is enough.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-11-07 7:21:57 AM|| 2004-11-07 7:21:57 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 badanov, when have I called LGF a hate site?

There is hateful language in the comments at LGF sometimes but I have never called the site a hate site. I think Charles walks a fine line and doesn't quite cross over it.

Just to be clear here: I voted for Bush. I came out of semi-retirement after 9/11 to teach at West Point. I live among military and support their efforts. I will put my life on the line, if necessary, to oppose Islmacist violence and I have made it clear to many on the left that right now I see conservatives working for principles I hold dear.

But I will be damned if I'll be silent when Americans indulge in hate -- whether it comes from the left or the right. I care about this country and do not want to see it degraded that way. And don't kid yourself -- hate does degrade us in deep and harmful ways.

Posted by Robin Burk 2004-11-07 7:25:23 AM|| 2004-11-07 7:25:23 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 hateful speech wrong? - yep. Moonbat-bashing? I'll partake! The level of hateful rhetoric has been on high on the left for a LONG time. We should show them the level of respect they deserve: none. The only concern is, as RB notes, degrading yourself. Just IMHO

Posted by Frank G 2004-11-07 7:32:27 AM|| 2004-11-07 7:32:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 Well, then, I stand corrected, but the hate charge is bogus. I know of one or two who has expressed true hatred for one thing or another in RB and they have been reined in.

I have not read anyone 'indulging' in hatred. What I have read are conservatives expressing hatred for an armed enemy of the United States and there is little wrong with that, but I have yet to see any racism or sexism or any other 'ism' the left has defined for us in the last fifty years.

I take it you are one of those folks who will be leaving the right as soon as politics break for your side. Too bad. And as soon as anyone from windsofchange.net engages in hate speech I will remind you of your post. Enjoy your stay.

Posted by badanov 2004-11-07 7:37:24 AM|| [http://www.rkka.org/title-boris.gif] 2004-11-07 7:37:24 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 I've never claimed to be on the right. If I have to choose a label, 'sane neo-libertarian' is as good as any.

Moonbat bashing is a fine and noble sport. I have no problems with highlighting and making fun of the rantings of Michael Moore on the left (or of Ann Coulter on the right) -- not to mention the real dingbat libertarians that roam the blogosphere.

But IMO joecool goes way too far with this sort of thing:

Halleluja! Another liberal aborted! Isn't that great? The sick son-of-a-bitch should have been aborted at birth but his mother was too busy sucking up to a liberal somewhere and forgot.

That is hate and it undermines us all when it is allowed to go unchallenged.

As for Winds of Change, if any of you ever do see unchallenged hate over there, please do indeed call us on it. Because Joe, I and the rest of the WOC team work hard to make that particular blog a place for strenuous but respectful dialogue.

That's not quite the purpose of RB and that's fine. There's room for both types of blogs and for LGF as well. Bottom line: I'm counting on you guys to help us defeat Islamacist terror and to help this country respond well to the broader challenges we face. We need you at your best, not your worst.

Posted by Robin Burk 2004-11-07 7:50:28 AM|| 2004-11-07 7:50:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 LGF???

Anyway, this kid was obviously disturbed long before the re-election of George Bush.

This in a small way proves something I think most of us have suspected before, many of the far left wacko's are emotional cripples.

Posted by RJB in JC MO 2004-11-07 7:53:34 AM|| 2004-11-07 7:53:34 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 good, Robin. Joecool is not a frequent commenter here, and yes, way over the top in that post. I would only note that the death of such an obviously disturbed person was in no way caused by the W victory, but of course, the MSM and the dipshits noted from East Village won't acknowledge that....

Posted by Frank G 2004-11-07 7:56:25 AM|| 2004-11-07 7:56:25 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 "This poor bastard was whipped into a frenzy by idiotic rhetoric, and felt trapped. All the above folks have his blood on their hands."

That's about as good a summation as any.

The leadership of the Democratic Party made a conscious, deliberate decision to tap into the fury of the far Left, to whip it into a high fever pitch, and to exploit it for political advantage-- and both Tuesday's election debacle and this poor SOB's suicide are the direct result of that choice.

It didn't have to be this way: they could have left the Michael Mooreites, the A.N.S.W.E.R. crowd, and the rest of the foamers and droolers on the margins where they belonged. And had they done so, they could have won the election with a candidate and platform that reflected support for the war and a set of social programs more attractive than GWB's.

But they didn't; instead, they gave Michael Moore a seat of honor next to Jimmy Carter at their convention, thus ratifying a conscious choice to become the Party of Hate.

And this poor guy's suicide is one of the results.

Posted by Dave D. 2004-11-07 8:00:22 AM|| 2004-11-07 8:00:22 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 Please give me a break. You've got to be pretty weak minded to kill yourself over that. I find it hard to believe he would kill himself over that. I'm sure there were other issues. If the election WAS the reason why he did it, then I'm sure when Britney Spears stopped making records, or his carton of milk's date of expiration had expired, it would have provided him with his next opportunity for dramatics. Mommy should have given him more hugs.

Posted by 98zulu 2004-11-07 8:02:42 AM|| 2004-11-07 8:02:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 Please give me a break. You've got to be pretty weak minded to kill yourself over that. I find it hard to believe he would kill himself over that. I'm sure there were other issues. If the election WAS the reason why he did it, then I'm sure when Britney Spears stopped making records, or his carton of milk's date of expiration had expired, it would have provided him with his next opportunity for dramatics. Mommy should have given him more hugs.

Posted by 98zulu 2004-11-07 8:02:42 AM|| 2004-11-07 8:02:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 I blame the shotgun. 12-Gauges, why do they hate us?

Posted by Chuck Schumer 2004-11-07 8:04:26 AM|| 2004-11-07 8:04:26 AM|| Front Page Top

#17 Thanks Chuck, LOL

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-11-07 8:07:55 AM|| 2004-11-07 8:07:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#18 It's funny also because for all the invective joecool engaged in I saw it as over the top but ultimately harmless, albeit very accurate commentary.

And as it is, joecool's point should be well taken. It's called the Roe effect. Democrats are so in love with politics there is nothing they won't do to win elections.

They advocate abortion on demand and abortion is a democrat's sole purview, but guess what? The effect of Roe v. Wade is that there are lesser liberals than conservatives because liberals have aborted over the years a number of potential democratic voters.

The youth vote? According to James Taranto of The Best of the Web, it was aborted over the years.

If you don't like the concept of cheering an abortion maybe we should engage in some meaningful dialogue about abortion. After all it is the left that loves abortions, why is this event any different? Why is it hate to cheer an abortion when the right does it but not when they left does it?

This enquiring mind wants to know.

Posted by badanov 2004-11-07 8:14:33 AM|| [http://www.rkka.org/title-boris.gif] 2004-11-07 8:14:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#19 Hey, I've never quite trusted those 12 guages. I'm a pistol and rifle woman myself ....

Speaking of which -- I finally am legal. Hooah! Got my pistol permit in the great? state of New York this week. The interviewers gulped when they saw the list of handguns Roger and I own, but since he competes regularly (and successfully) in several competitive shooting leagues and has had his permit for several years, they approved mine as well.

It's restricted to just hunting and practice/competition shooting for now (sigh) ... after a year or two I can try for full carry. It chafes me to have this whole smothering process!

Have a great day RB'ers. Spouse and I are heading off to the range later this morning.

Posted by Robin Burk 2004-11-07 8:17:33 AM|| 2004-11-07 8:17:33 AM|| Front Page Top

#20 Well, between moonbats offing themselves is despair, and left-wing pinkos fleeing the country for Kanadar or Noose-eeland - come 2008, I wonder how the voting trend will play out ........

This could become a tremendous self-sustaining obliteration of the Dim-o-grads.

Heh,heh ........

Posted by Lone Ranger 2004-11-07 9:04:48 AM|| 2004-11-07 9:04:48 AM|| Front Page Top

#21 All this hate speech debate aside, the guy who shot himself was a complete moron. If Kerry had won, I would not have been ventilating my skull with a 12-gauge. If I were that melodramatic and immature, I'd have done it years ago when Clinton won!

What really kills me is the remark from that idiot friend of his from Russia: "This election is devastating to all who believe in democracy." Pray tell, what is this democracy you speak of? Why don't you go back to Russia and see if you can find it there, asshat?

Posted by Dar 2004-11-07 9:48:51 AM|| 2004-11-07 9:48:51 AM|| Front Page Top

#22 Hmmmm...
Well this guy had issues that went well beyond the election as has been noted.

What I find shocking is that in Chuck Schummers back yard this guy was able to walk in with a shot gun and off himself? Lots of people walk around NYC with shot guns? Also it's so messy 12 I mean eeeewwwweeee.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-11-07 10:00:42 AM|| [http://www.slhess.com] 2004-11-07 10:00:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#23 I finally am legal.

Hmmmmm.... that implies that perhaps you were, umm.... naw.

Posted by Shipman 2004-11-07 10:05:35 AM|| 2004-11-07 10:05:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#24 Ship, don't ask, won't tell ......

Posted by rkb 2004-11-07 10:21:46 AM|| 2004-11-07 10:21:46 AM|| Front Page Top

#25 Think of it as evolution in action.

Posted by Anonymous6092 2004-11-07 10:27:48 AM|| 2004-11-07 10:27:48 AM|| Front Page Top

#26 Allright - Since I am guilty of putting this article up here, I want to put a more definitive two-cents in...

Actually Dave D. in #13 got my point exactly.
Robin Burk has some astute observations as well...some that we'd be all wise to consider even if we don't agree with her 100% - after all this blog IS called RANTBURG.

Posted by BigEd 2004-11-07 10:42:55 AM|| 2004-11-07 10:42:55 AM|| Front Page Top

#27 Conservatives are just as guilty as liberals of indulging in corrosive hateful rhetoric.

Sorry, gotta call BS on that point. For every Ann Coulter I'll show you five Al Frankens / Michael Moores. In other words, the frequency of occurrences hasn't been accounted for.

Posted by Raj 2004-11-07 11:12:31 AM|| 2004-11-07 11:12:31 AM|| Front Page Top

#28 I think a lot of this is the fault of the DNC and the left - they did deliberately embrace Mike Al-Moore and the 'I hate bush' crowd and whip the extream left in to a frenzy.

Yes there are 'hate' sites on both sides but the Republicians have not embraced, and emboldened, the radical right as much as the Democrats had their radical left. Think A.N.S.W.E.R. Think MOVEON.ORG (Bush = Hitler). And the ratio of violence in this election was done overwhelming on the democratic side.

As for this guy - there must have been something else which helped tip him over. Perhaps drugs, perhaps the hate destroyed his marriage / social life. Who knows?

Posted by CrazyFool 2004-11-07 11:28:01 AM|| 2004-11-07 11:28:01 AM|| Front Page Top

#29 Agreed - and as I said above, that fact was one reason I voted Bush/Cheney this year.

Just let's not get into the habit of doing it more often on this side of the aisle, please.

Posted by Robn Burk 2004-11-07 11:31:18 AM|| 2004-11-07 11:31:18 AM|| Front Page Top

#30 The 100th trimester abortion of Mr. Veal is as regrettable as was predictable. In adopting as their own and bringing into the mainstream the despicable and vitriolic far left, Democrats have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they value power above all else including the well being and continued survival of our nation. Mark Steyn described this state of affairs as, "The Michael Mooronification of the Democratic Party." This poor schmuck is no more than a sad side effect of the forces the Democrats have loosed.

Posted by AzCat 2004-11-07 11:36:37 AM|| 2004-11-07 11:36:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#31 Ah, I see, that hateful, shallow, site of inequity, LGF. Well, in that case, I'll just keep bringing the best I have to offer to both Rantburg and LGF.

If you don't like it, don't farking laugh, OK?

Posted by Asedwich 2004-11-07 11:44:36 AM|| 2004-11-07 11:44:36 AM|| Front Page Top

#32 Getting back on topic: I'm all for peace love and understanding, but there's nothing in this idiot's act that evokes sympathy, no matter what your political persuasion.

He's distraught, can't bear the thought his guy lost? Fine. He wants to pack it in-- OK, some people have suicidal tendencies. So then he decides to make a political statement with his suicide, and what location does he choose? A bridge, a tower? No, he chooses as the site for his statement the site of an act of war against America that resulted in the slaughter of three thousand civilians.

What can this possibly mean? Obviously, this selection was not made in sympathy with the poor victims of the jihadist warriors--after all, these victims' deaths were of course not voluntary. The clear implication of this act is that it was intended as a protest against the memory of 9/11 itself. It is in effect a gesture of solidarity with the perpetrators of this attack.

Disgusting. Beneath contempt. This man's fetid corpse should be thrown in a lower east side dumpster for the rats to devour, the bones to be tossed into the East River. When the idiotarians who have taken hold of my party recognize this elemental moral truth, then, and only then, can this nation begin to advance toward understanding.

Posted by lex 2004-11-07 12:05:49 PM|| 2004-11-07 12:05:49 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 I also call bs on the statement that the right's rhetoric = left's rhetoric. In a rational universe, conversation should have stopped as soon as one side called the other liars, racists, bigots, homophobes, morons, etc.

There is still a lot of anger out there on the right, but I don't think it started with them.

Posted by SR71 2004-11-07 12:06:42 PM|| 2004-11-07 12:06:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 "This poor schmuck is no more than a sad side effect of the forces the Democrats have loosed."

To be fair, he was probably already a couple bricks shy of a full hod to begin with, and the extreme Donk rhetoric was just the final straw-- both the extremity of its hatefulness as well as its duration. This has been going on non-stop for four solid years, with only a couple months break right after 9/11.

Posted by Dave D. 2004-11-07 12:14:21 PM|| 2004-11-07 12:14:21 PM|| Front Page Top

#35 The Democrats have openly embraced and elevated groups that are every bit as vile and dangerous as, for example, the Klan. If we see the Grand Kleagle of the KKK sitting beside an ex-Republican president at the next RNC I might believe that the right has sunk as low as the left but the fact is that today there's absolutely objective basis to draw that conclusion.

Posted by AzCat 2004-11-07 12:16:42 PM|| 2004-11-07 12:16:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#36 Congratulations due to Robin for making the thread about himself.

Posted by gromky 2004-11-07 12:17:10 PM|| 2004-11-07 12:17:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#37 Whooops: "absolutely no." Preview is my friend.

Posted by AzCat 2004-11-07 12:18:18 PM|| 2004-11-07 12:18:18 PM|| Front Page Top

#38 I don't think RKB was saying right's rehtoric=left's rhetoric but that we shouldn't let it drift that way.

This poor guy was a sicko. As far as I know he could have said the man in the moon made him do it like eighty other people did themselves in that night. In that case he would have been allowed to die the pathetic private death he deserves. Instead he blamed it on Kerry and Bush, so he gets a news story. Hardly worth comment, let alone vitriol.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-11-07 12:18:46 PM|| 2004-11-07 12:18:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#39 The right has a long tradition of isolating the radical right, started by Buckley's campaign to isolate the Birchers and continued to this day. The left has never had an equivalent, and instead embraces its radicals. This year we've seen the left's radicals nearly capture the Democrat party, with the party's supposed "centrists" assisting.

AzCat (#35): The Democrats didn't just let the "Grand Kleagle" sit in the presidential box, they let him run in the primaries and speak at the convention. "Reverend" Sharpton has an incomparable record of race hatred, yet he's welcome at the highest levels of the Democrat party.

If the rhetoric is going to be toned down, the left has to start cleaning its own house. Insist that the thugs be punished, even if they are union or animal rights or anti-globalization thugs. Ostracize the radicals, instead of embracing them or celebrating them.

Until that begins -- and begins in earnest, not as a show -- the Democrats will be pulled farther and farther left and politics will get nastier and nastier.

Posted by Robert Crawford 2004-11-07 12:41:50 PM|| [http://www.kloognome.com] 2004-11-07 12:41:50 PM|| Front Page Top

#40 AzCat, isn't the KKK in ideology and history closer to the Democrats?

Back to the "hate" debate: there is a huge difference between the leftist mouth-foaming and the non-leftist excitement in this country. Just walk into a bookstore if you need evidence.

Posted by Kalle (kafir forever) 2004-11-07 12:46:55 PM|| [http://radio.weblogs.com/0103811/categories/currentEvents/] 2004-11-07 12:46:55 PM|| Front Page Top

#41 Kalle most KKKers were Democrats, Those nasty Republicans freed the slaves. Kalle the Democrats want you to forget that history that is as recent as 1970's and 1980's. Senator Byrd was a KKKer. That history is forgoten and all that evil is now blamed on the Republicans that never had any thing to do with it. The lynchers were southern democrats.

Robert I remember as a Kid the big bllboard on a Wall in my town "Get us out of the UN now" that a John Birch Society member had on his business now I agree with that. That damm sign has be up for 40 years at least. When I was a kid my one of my older brothers married a gal and her dad was a "Bircher" I was told by my Democrat mom. She was none to pleased. My Republican dad was really not pleased.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-11-07 1:09:31 PM|| [http://www.slhess.com] 2004-11-07 1:09:31 PM|| Front Page Top

#42 Maybe instead of blowing his brains out, the guy should have just voted a few more times.

Posted by SteveS 2004-11-07 2:29:41 PM|| 2004-11-07 2:29:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#43 I've just (briefly) looked at the John Birch society website (http://www.jbs.org) and it just seems to be a society that wants to defend the constitution and get the US out of the UN.

What am I missing?

Posted by Tony (UK) 2004-11-07 2:41:04 PM|| 2004-11-07 2:41:04 PM|| Front Page Top

#44 mellowed with time and the fall of the Soviet Union

Posted by Frank G 2004-11-07 2:43:47 PM|| 2004-11-07 2:43:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#45 Tony, in the 60s and 70s, Birchers were close to white supremacists and buried large caches of arms in the California desert. That did not endear them to the FBI and they are far more marginalized now. At a time of unrest on the left, however, they threatened separatist unrest on the far right. As Robert Crawford says, the right repudiated them but the left over time embraced many of its own extremists. (Some tried to be revolutionaries and were jailed instead.)

Posted by rkb 2004-11-07 3:31:07 PM|| 2004-11-07 3:31:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#46 Why didn't he just send his I'm Sorry picture to that goofball website we saw the other day?

Posted by tu3031 2004-11-07 3:37:28 PM|| 2004-11-07 3:37:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#47 A TRIUMPH for evolution: he did not reproduce before he got himself out of the gene pool!

Posted by Anonymous4724 2004-11-07 3:38:47 PM|| 2004-11-07 3:38:47 PM|| Front Page Top

#48 Well, that's cleared that up for me. Thanks for that Frank and rkb! - much better than google ;)

Posted by Tony (UK) 2004-11-07 3:42:01 PM|| 2004-11-07 3:42:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#49 Tony, Check this out on General Edwin Walker. While not a card carrying Bircher, this gives a good idea of the tone of the times. Between Birchism, Mc Carthyism, Vietnam, and the riots of 1967-68 you can see why I dismiss a lot of the talk about how divided a nation we are today. These people just don't know their history.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-11-07 4:21:10 PM|| 2004-11-07 4:21:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#50 Thanks Mrs. Davis, he sounds a bit like General Jack D. Ripper in Dr. Strangelove, although his wartime record was nothing to sniff at!

Posted by Tony (UK) 2004-11-07 5:11:25 PM|| 2004-11-07 5:11:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#51 Kalle - I chose the Klan as an example merely because a Republican embrace of their cause would be the equivalent of the current Democratic embrace of its own radical left, not because I was trying to draw an association between racists and the Republican Party. The "racist Republican" is a canard that became extremely popular with the left following Nixon's unfortunate southern strategy.

Robert is exactly correct in that the Republicans have traditionally done an excellent job of marginalizing their radical fringe while Democrats have embraced theirs. Stunning examples of the dichotomy can be found in the political careers of Robert Byrd and David Duke.

Full disclosure: I'm not a registered Republican but I, for the first time in my life, voted a straight Republican ticket in this election. I will continue to do so until such a time as I am convinced that adults are again in charge of the Democratic party. Could be a long wait....

Posted by AzCat 2004-11-07 5:18:27 PM|| 2004-11-07 5:18:27 PM|| Front Page Top

#52 Tony, the model for GEN Jack D. Ripper in Strangelove was probably USAF GEN Curtis LeMay. LeMay didn't talk much about social issues, but he was widely regarded as a "nuke them first and ask questions later" strategist whom others in the defense establishment kept on something of a leash.

BTW, the model for Dr. Strangelove himself was (mostly) Herman Kahn, a nuclear physicist who while with the Rand Corporation wrote Thinking About the Unthinkable and On Thermonuclear War, which amazingly are still in print. I had a chance to meet Kahn several times in the early 70s - he is the single brightest and most fascinating person I've ever encountered. He left Rand and founded the Hudson Institute when he wanted to move beyond defense analysis to look at long term social and economic trends -- work for which the Japanese government and others honored him highly. He encouraged the leaders of the Institute to move it away from Westchester County NY after his death, to the midwest, on the grounds that important social movements would coalesce there and the east coast establishment were tone deaf about them. Was that insightful or what???

Posted by rkb 2004-11-07 6:03:01 PM|| 2004-11-07 6:03:01 PM|| Front Page Top

#53 Tony, Ripper may be a composite that included parts of Walker. As rkb has pointed out, there is a lot of Curt LeMay in Jack D. Ripper. But there is also a lot of Curt in George Scott's General Bud Turgidson character as well.

The closest characterization to Walker is probably that of Gen. James Mattoon Scott in John Frankenheimer's Seven Days in May.

The tone of the times is also indicated by the mainstream films mentioned above and others such as Fail Safe, On the Beach, The Manchurian Candidate, The Bedford Incident and Advise and Consent.

Posted by Mrs. Davis 2004-11-07 7:04:05 PM|| 2004-11-07 7:04:05 PM|| Front Page Top

#54 Having watched the campaign over the past year and a half, this whole idea of conservatives having been as guilty as liberals in engaging in "hateful" or "corrosive" rhetoric is preposterous.

Posted by Bomb-a-rama 2004-11-07 8:17:46 PM|| 2004-11-07 8:17:46 PM|| Front Page Top

#55 Not "as guilty" ... but there's some guilt there on the part of Coulter and her ilk.

I do think the left has poisoned itself badly with their deliberate cultivation of hate - if they're not careful, Kos and his buddies will destroy what's left of the Democratic party. I'd just like us not to do the same on the right.

Posted by rkb 2004-11-07 8:55:00 PM|| 2004-11-07 8:55:00 PM|| Front Page Top

#56 Big Ed , great added quotes from the Dems which played a part in pushing this poor schnook off the deep end.

Posted by Mark Espinola 2004-11-07 9:18:28 PM|| 2004-11-07 9:18:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#57 Bid Ed, Tupac could not have said anything, it was P. Diddy who was on the 'Vote or Die' kick. That's cool. maybe nobody noticed ;) I am not so sure Tupac, if here, would have been screaming for Kerry to win. The only thing Kerry knows about the hood, is Hood milk.

Posted by Mark Espinola 2004-11-07 9:27:42 PM|| 2004-11-07 9:27:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#58 I don't pay much attention to RAP. You are right - P Diddy said vote or die - my booboo.

Posted by BigEd 2004-11-07 11:16:17 PM|| 2004-11-07 11:16:17 PM|| Front Page Top

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