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2004-09-27 Caucasus/Russia/Central Asia

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Posted by Dan Darling 2004-09-27 2:44:51 AM|| || Front Page|| [11130 views since 2007-05-07] Top

#1 There's this 40 km wide stretch of land.....

Posted by Shipman 2004-09-27 10:14:50 AM|| 2004-09-27 10:14:50 AM|| Front Page Top

#2 Easily accessible by sea...

Posted by Howard UK 2004-09-27 10:25:15 AM|| 2004-09-27 10:25:15 AM|| Front Page Top

#3 hmm..if they know this..then I'm guessing those Saudi nationals will soon be dead. Putin will avenge Beslan. I'm guessing these guys are on the top of the to-do list.

Posted by 2B 2004-09-27 10:30:21 AM|| 2004-09-27 10:30:21 AM|| Front Page Top

#4 Putin killing Bush's friends may make Bush mad as hell.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-09-27 11:06:00 AM|| 2004-09-27 11:06:00 AM|| Front Page Top

#5 oh, poision - you are so clever. Now go outside and chant your Halliburton, Bush lied, and Bush-Hitler mantras - over and over and over again. In fact, just get a drum and pound on it - it's all the same meaningless noise.

Posted by 2B 2004-09-27 11:10:42 AM|| 2004-09-27 11:10:42 AM|| Front Page Top

#6 If a solid link is found to Saudi financiers, a Russian wack on some of them will send a great message to others to shut down their dirty little business. Dry up the well and they get no water.

Posted by Alaska Paul 2004-09-27 11:14:37 AM|| 2004-09-27 11:14:37 AM|| Front Page Top

#7 It is funny you say that, I can literally go outside and see Halliburton. Bottomline, I am not down with the name calling on either sides. I am an independent conservative, like Michael Savage. I do deep research on both sides and filter the spin.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-09-27 11:16:40 AM|| 2004-09-27 11:16:40 AM|| Front Page Top

#8 I do deep research on both sides

oooh...you are deeep!

At this point in the election - if you are still an "independent" what does that mean? - To a thinking, intelligent, person the options should be crystal clear by this point.

Or does it mean that you think you can sit on the fence, like Kerry and have it both ways - not committing to anything so you can pretend to be above the fray - smug and superior looking down your nose on both sides. "Because I have committed to no ideas of my own - I need not defend my point of view and instead will simply snipe at the opinion of others. I think that makes me seem WISE."

Just so you know, I look down upon people who try to keep all their options open. I think they are just too afraid to make a decision - afraid it will be the wrong one - so they end up making no decison and going nowhere in life.

Hey, but maybe that doesn't apply to you.

Posted by 2B 2004-09-27 11:30:27 AM|| 2004-09-27 11:30:27 AM|| Front Page Top

#9 I am an independent conservative, like Michael Savage.

I'll post a comment when I finally stop laughing.

Posted by Pappy 2004-09-27 11:41:20 AM|| 2004-09-27 11:41:20 AM|| Front Page Top

#10 2B 2004-09-27, Stop spinning my words. I am not sitting on the fence. I was for Bush in 2000 and now I am for Kerry. If Kerry screws up like Bush, then I will vote for a GOP in 2008. The last time I checked, this country is not a dictatorship.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-09-27 11:44:18 AM|| 2004-09-27 11:44:18 AM|| Front Page Top

#11 If you are voting for Kerry, then you are a democrat, without the guts to call yourself one.

Posted by 2B 2004-09-27 11:47:30 AM|| 2004-09-27 11:47:30 AM|| Front Page Top

#12 Pappy 2004-09-27, If you don't think Michael Savage is an independent, ask him yourself. Read his books, he chastises Bush plenty of times, on a variety of issues.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-09-27 11:48:35 AM|| 2004-09-27 11:48:35 AM|| Front Page Top

#13 2B 2004-09-27, Did you miss the part about "I was for Bush in 2000"? So how can I be a Dummycrat.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-09-27 11:50:28 AM|| 2004-09-27 11:50:28 AM|| Front Page Top

#14 Poison Reverse has drunk the kool-aid. Probably a troll.

Posted by SR-71 2004-09-27 11:54:05 AM|| 2004-09-27 11:54:05 AM|| Front Page Top

#15 boy..poison really made your point - 2B. By his own admission, he simply votes for one candidate one year - and then when that candidate isn't perfect (as no candidate can be) then he votes for the other candidate the next year.

That way, he doesn't need to stand for his own convictions - he can simply whine and complain that others aren't achieving perfection to his satisfaction.

What else would explain his flip from Bush in 2000 to flop Kerry in 04? And if Kerry isn't perfect - then he'll flop back to GOP. Flip/flop/flip/flop - no wonder he backs Kerry.

Posted by anon 2004-09-27 11:56:25 AM|| 2004-09-27 11:56:25 AM|| Front Page Top

#16 anon 2004-09-27, it is good to know that all the bloggers got me all figured out. I feel better now. Thank you all.

Posted by Anonymous6681 2004-09-27 12:00:48 PM|| 2004-09-27 12:00:48 PM|| Front Page Top

#17 truth hurts - doesn't it, convictionless flippity/flop boy. I'm tired of you, troll. Go away and drink your glass of self-righteous-superiority whine elsewhere. You have no convictions of your own - so you are boring.

Posted by 2B 2004-09-27 12:07:36 PM|| 2004-09-27 12:07:36 PM|| Front Page Top

#18 PR,

It doesn't help the nation to deny that there are many good reasons to vote against Bush. Of course he and Rum/Wolf/Feith screwed up many aspects of the postwar, and some of those screwups were unforgiveable (esp overruling the chiefs re troop strength levels and disregarding State's planning docs).

And poison, while I could see the logic in voting against Bush-- nb I'm a hawkish Dem, not a Repub-- I see no reason to vote for Kerry. As a defector from the other side (loyal Dem here who finds Kerry and the Dem leasdership utterly horrifying) I'm willing to believe you're not a troll, Poison, but I'll hold judgment until I see you put forth three solid reasons that for voting FOR Kerry rather than merely against Bush. The only one I can think of is that Kerry might be stymied on the spending/fiscal front as Clinton was post-94 and thus we may get real deficit reduction, which seems unlikely under Bush.

In the fp field I grant each candidate a fair amount of slack re tactical screwups, like the postwar planning. The big issue is their strategic view, and my party simply has no coherent strategy to speak of. Hence the repeated idiocies about the need to bring along the French, who have made it clear again and again to all and sundry that on most middle east issues they're on the other side, and the repeated silliness about the crucial importance of the UN.

None of the Dems' foreign-policy worthies has shown any grasp of what to me's the most important fact of all: NATO is next to useless against this threat, and for that matter so is the EU's triangulation strategy (see Straw's mission in Iran). All the threats we face arise from an Asian-- ie near eastern and far eastern-- arc of instability, and the Asian and Eurasian powers are now crucial to our destiny.

Holbrooke's a smart guy but he's living in the wrong century. He, Albright, Sandy P et al still think the world turns around the Atlantic alliance.

That ceased to be the case thirteen years ago. At least Rumsfeld, Armitage et al understand that in this century our destiny lies with the Asian and Eurasian powers. They've done a damned good job with Pakistan and Afghanistan and are almost certain to do a better job than Kerry's people re. Russia and India. This difference in outlook and emphasis makes all the difference to my vote.

Posted by lex 2004-09-27 12:27:12 PM|| 2004-09-27 12:27:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#19 wow lex...I think you are giving him waay too much credit. But it makes me think well of you that you try.

Posted by 2B 2004-09-27 12:38:25 PM|| 2004-09-27 12:38:25 PM|| Front Page Top

#20 ive done a lot of deep research too war and peace and lawrence of arabia

ive got both classik comiks pretty thick ones too

Posted by half 2004-09-27 1:38:07 PM|| 2004-09-27 1:38:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#21 hmmmmm, Half: "World History - Illustrated by R. Crumb"?

Posted by Frank G 2004-09-27 1:43:28 PM|| 2004-09-27 1:43:28 PM|| Front Page Top

#22 lex 2004-09-27,

"I'm willing to believe you're not a troll, Poison, but I'll hold judgment until I see you put forth three solid reasons that for voting FOR Kerry rather than merely against Bush"

1. I truly believe that, in this age of terrorism, NO Democrat can get away with selling this country down the river, like Clinton. There will be a major backlash, like the Democrats, have never seen before.

2. When the terrorists were holed up in the Church of Nativity, Bush would not let Israel do its thing. Instead, Bush gave a 1st class flight and a 5 star hotel to the terrorists in Cyprus.

3. Bush said that he would capture or kill Sadr. But, Bush allowed Sadr to get away. Not only did he get away, Allawi promised Tater, a position in the Iraqi government. Tater should be dead by now, if we had a real war president.

3. Bush is the first president to push for a two state solution in Israel. That land was promised to Abraham by the God of Israel. The Plaeo's need to go back where they came from, oh thats right, the Arab countries don't want them back. The Paleo's are nothing but the trash of the Arab world. Even the nobel prize seeking Clinton did not push for two states.

4. Bush is the first president to invite Muslims to a White House dinner. I thought he was born again and again and again Christian. One of the Muslims at the dinner was found to be a major supporter of terrorists.

5. I could to go on, but you asked for only three.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-09-27 2:11:12 PM|| 2004-09-27 2:11:12 PM|| Front Page Top

#23 How about a list of names of funders. Then we could have a race to see who kills them first.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-09-27 2:27:10 PM|| [http://www.slhess.com] 2004-09-27 2:27:10 PM|| Front Page Top

#24 So, Poison Reverse's reasons to vote for Kerry are:

Bush did this and
Bush did that and
Bush ...
Bush ...
Bush ...
Bush ...
etc.

Nowehere he says I am voting for Kerry because Kerry would do this
Kerry would do that
Kerry would also...
That would cover it, 3 reasons.

Trollhood seems to be confirmed.

Posted by Memesis 2004-09-27 2:34:59 PM|| 2004-09-27 2:34:59 PM|| Front Page Top

#25 Sock Puppet of Doom,
The dinner happened a while back so it will take some time to get the research. But if someone has the information, please post it. I only blame Bush because the buck stops with him. Bush DID NOT personally invite the Muslims. Bush's handlers invited them, to appease the Mulims around the world. It was found later AFTER the dinner, that one of the invities supported terrorism.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-09-27 2:41:07 PM|| 2004-09-27 2:41:07 PM|| Front Page Top

#26 "Nowehere he says I am voting for Kerry because Kerry would do this Kerry would do that Kerry would also"

Memesis,
If Kerry becomes president and if I see that is screwing this country, he will be pounded also, by me.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-09-27 2:50:34 PM|| 2004-09-27 2:50:34 PM|| Front Page Top

#27 Dude - if you liked Jimmuh you'll love Kerry.

Don't be fuelish. Even if you don't care for W, and I'm not crazy about him either, it's becoming clear that Kerry is either clueless or emotionally disturbed or both. W is the safe choice in this election.

Posted by lex 2004-09-27 2:54:42 PM|| 2004-09-27 2:54:42 PM|| Front Page Top

#28 Um PR I don't know WTF you are talking about.

To make it clear what I meant If the Russians have a list they should make it public so we can kill the useless baby killers.

I a voting for BUSH.
Bush has a plan to kill the baby killers
Bush!
Bush!
Bush!
Bush!

The only Quagmire is in John "fleching" Keery's brain.

Posted by Sock Puppet of Doom 2004-09-27 3:08:02 PM|| [http://www.slhess.com] 2004-09-27 3:08:02 PM|| Front Page Top

#29 "In a computer network that uses the Routing Information Protocol (RIP) or other distance vector routing protocols, a poison reverse is a way in which a gateway node tells its neighbor gateways that one of the gateways is no longer connected." Reference.
Okay, which one of us is disconnected? I'm thinking it's Poison Reverse.

Posted by Tom 2004-09-27 3:12:56 PM|| 2004-09-27 3:12:56 PM|| Front Page Top

#30 lex, enjoyable summation of the current political field in your post #18.

Posted by Zenster 2004-09-27 3:18:41 PM|| 2004-09-27 3:18:41 PM|| Front Page Top

#31 Tom,

Poison Reverse ("TELLS its neighbor") gateways that one of the gateways is no longer connected.

Now, do you get it.

Posted by Poison Reverse 2004-09-27 5:10:35 PM|| 2004-09-27 5:10:35 PM|| Front Page Top

#32 If you don't think Michael Savage is an independent, ask him yourself. Read his books, he chastises Bush plenty of times, on a variety of issues.

So does Pat Buchanan, but I wouldn't call either an "independent conservative".

'scuse me - I gotta lie down (my sides hurt).

Posted by Pappy 2004-09-27 6:18:58 PM|| 2004-09-27 6:18:58 PM|| Front Page Top

#33 Hi ya Rex we missed ya!

Posted by Shipman 2004-09-27 6:50:29 PM|| 2004-09-27 6:50:29 PM|| Front Page Top

#34 I always did get it PR, except for the fact that you're the one with the disconnect. You may not be a troll, but you haven't impressed me with your "coming out" today. I can't believe that you've been lurking here for months without saying anything -- it's not your nature. So was that a lie, or did you just come unglued today for some reason?

Posted by Tom 2004-09-27 7:15:28 PM|| 2004-09-27 7:15:28 PM|| Front Page Top

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